Any opinions?

Capt. Trips

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I've been trying to get opinions on this with no luck. Maybe the fine folks of the Outdoor Growing forum could help a rookie out with some sage words of wisdom?

These plants are about two and a half weeks old, counting from the day they poked their little heads out from the soil. I look at pictures of other people's plants at this age and it seems like mine are way smaller than they should be. I've tried ridiculing and shaming them into growing, but they just sit there, staring blankly at me. I show them pictures of other, more developed, plants their age and say things like, "Boy, I sure wish I had plants like these", or "Grow, you pompous little fucks!"

Nothing.

I set up mock cribbage tournaments -- I think it's pretty common knowledge that cribbage is cannabis' favorite pastime -- with some dandelions that are right outside the greenhouse and act like we're having the time of our lives. I bring drinks, play music and set up a hidden fan to make it look like the dandelions are dancing. I like to make comments about looking forward to doing this with the girls when they get a little bigger. I know they can see and hear me, but I think it just pisses them off.

So my question is, do you think I should start feeding them a low dose of nutes? The soil they're in (this) already has some stuff in it, so I'm afraid of overdosing them. Should I just leave them alone and see what happens. I transplanted them from cups nine days ago, so the soil is fairly new.

These plants are out in my greenhouse. They get a fair bit of direct sunlight in the morning and early afternoon, but there are some big maple tress that block some of the sun later in the day. I assume this could be a reason for the lankiness? I would love for them to have more light, but there's not much I can do.

Oh, and they're supposedly 60% indica. I figured they'd be growing more bushy than tall, but this is clearly not the case.

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treemansbuds

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Mo worries mate, your right on track. Looks like you have them in a greenhouse, on your deck. That greenhouse will easily get over 120+ degrees. I'd take them out of that greenhouse and expose them to as much sunlight as possible.
Good Luck...
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Blackvalor

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The pots you started in are decent sized. I usually start in solo cups and notice a big increase in growth as soon as the roots have filled in the pot.

I'm betting that yours will do the same.
 

Capt. Trips

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Mo worries mate, your right on track. Looks like you ave them in a greenhouse, on your deck. That greenhouse will easily get over 120+ degrees. I'd take them out of that greenhouse and expose them to as much sunlight as possible.
Good Luck...
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Thanks, treeman. I do take them out of the greenhouse when I can be here to babysit them, but I leave them inside when I'm gone because I have a problem with deer treating the greenery in my yard like a smorgasbord. I leave the vents open and a fan blowing air around, but it does get pretty damn hot in there.

Thanks for the reply.
 

Capt. Trips

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The pots you started in are decent sized. I usually start in solo cups and notice a big increase in growth as soon as the roots have filled in the pot.

I'm betting that yours will do the same.
Thanks Blackvalor. Do you think I should hold off on the nutes for now?
 

Blackvalor

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It probably wouldn't hurt to give them a light dose. Don't get crazy though. Start with 1/4-1/2 strength and see how they respond.
 

treemansbuds

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Hard to grow weed with deer around, good luck there.
Before you add nutes, what kind of soil do you have them in? Any decent soil should have enough goodies for plants that size. I'd advise against feeding them. I started mine first week of March, they're 2'-3' tall and I have yet to feed mine, and won't until July. I went from Solo cup, to 3 gallons, then to 100-150 gallon Smart Pots on May 8th.
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The less you do to them, the better off your plants will be. People think "if I add double the nutes they'll grow faster", nothing could be farther from the truth. Correct temps, PLENTY of good soil, and lots of sun = success!
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Capt. Trips

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Hard to grow weed with deer around, good luck there.
Before you add nutes, what kind of soil do you have them in? Any decent soil should have enough goodies for plants that size. I'd advise against feeding them. I started mine first week of March, they're 2'-3' tall and I have yet to feed mine, and won't until July. I went from Solo cup, to 3 gallons, then to 100-150 gallon Smart Pots on May 8th.
TIP>>>
The less you do to them, the better off your plants will be. People think "if I add double the nutes they'll grow faster", nothing could be farther from the truth. Correct temps, PLENTY of good soil, and lots of sun = success!
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I'm using this soil...LINK
 

Capt. Trips

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I'm going to finish these in ten gallon pots, but wasn't sure if I should go smaller before doing that. Maybe 3 or 5 gallon first? 10 gallons is a lot of soil for the roots to fill.
 

Blackvalor

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If you're going the organic route you don't really have to worry about nute burning your plants anyway. The choice is yours, but at that stage I always give mine a light feeding.

Good luck
 

Blackvalor

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I'm going to finish these in ten gallon pots, but wasn't sure if I should go smaller before doing that. Maybe 3 or 5 gallon first? 10 gallons is a lot of soil for the roots to fill.
The question wasn't directed towards me, but I'll give you a little input anyway :). I go solo cup, 2.5 gallon nursery pot then into 15 gallon smart pots. The first year I went from solo cups straight into 30 gallon holes and it took a long time for them to start growing (plant was focusing on root growth).
 

Capt. Trips

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The question wasn't directed towards me, but I'll give you a little input anyway :). I go solo cup, 2.5 gallon nursery pot then into 15 gallon smart pots. The first year I went from solo cups straight into 30 gallon holes and it took a long time for them to start growing (plant was focusing on root growth).
I appreciate any and all advice anybody wants to give me.

Good to know about the pots. I think I'll pot up once before going to the 10 gallon. I'm thinking about FIMing too, but not sure yet.

And this is probably a stupid question, but I'm a noob. Why don't I have to worry about nute burn with organic?

Thanks again for the replies!
 

FresnoFarmer

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In my own experience you can get nute burn with organics. I have done it with strong guano teas. It is alot harder to give your plants nute burn with organics though.
 

treemansbuds

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I'll disagree with Valor again. I'd go straight into those large pots ASAP. Transplanting causes stress, the less you transplant the better for the plant. Sorry Valor, but your root theory holds no water. BIGGER ROOTS ='S BIGGER BUDS/PLANT. Plus I'd go into the ground, or bigger pots. 10 gallons is small, I say 30gallons +.
Here's a picture of my partner with my last plant to be harvested last year. My buddy is 6' tall, look at all that support for those buds I had to put up. Plant was grown in a 100 gallon Smart pot.
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Blackvalor

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That soil looks great, just wish they listed all the stuff they have in there. I see the fish and wood scrap, but is that it? What "trace elements"? What else? Then I looked at the photo gallery, and you know the saying..."the proof is in the pudding"! So I think that soil has plenty of good stuff in there. Maybe an experiment...feed half and don't feed the other half and see the difference.
I'll disagree with Valor again. I'd go straight into those large pots ASAP. Transplanting causes stress, the less you transplant the better for the plant. Sorry Valor, but your root theory holds no water. BIGGER ROOTS ='S BIGGER BUDS/PLANT. Plus I'd go into the ground, or bigger pots. 10 gallons is small, I say 30gallons +.
Here's a picture of my partner with my last plant to be harvested last year. My buddy is 6' tall, look at all that support for those buds I had to put up. Plant was grown in a 100 gallon Smart pot.
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What root theory would that be? I don't remember saying anything about bigger roots not equaling bigger buds....

In my experience plants grow fastest once the roots have been well established in their container. I'm not the only grower that moves up in pot size before transplanting into their final pot. It's pretty common practice. But hey, what works for one grower may not for another. In simply offering my advice based on my experiences.

In regards to capt. Trips question; you aren't as likely to get nute burn with organics because they simply aren't as strong/concentrated as chemical fertilizers, such as miracle grow. That's not to say it can't happen... Mix fresh, uncomposted chicken manure in your soil and you'll have problems.

To add to my post; there's nothing wrong with 10 gallon containers. I grew two plants in 5 gallon containers last year and still managed 8 ounces each. I think some people forget that not everyone has a huge budget to blow on soil and not everyone lives in Cali where there's near perfect weather. You'll do just fine.
 

Capt. Trips

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I'll disagree with Valor again. I'd go straight into those large pots ASAP. Transplanting causes stress, the less you transplant the better for the plant. Sorry Valor, but your root theory holds no water. BIGGER ROOTS ='S BIGGER BUDS/PLANT. Plus I'd go into the ground, or bigger pots. 10 gallons is small, I say 30gallons +.
Here's a picture of my partner with my last plant to be harvested last year. My buddy is 6' tall, look at all that support for those buds I had to put up. Plant was grown in a 100 gallon Smart pot.
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Wow! That's pretty goddamn impressive! Nice work. Do you top your plants?

I'd love to grow a tree but I don't know my neighbors very well, and they would definitely see it. Still hoping to get something decent in the 10's.
 

treemansbuds

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What root theory would that be? I don't remember saying anything about bigger roots not equaling bigger buds....

In my experience plants grow fastest once the roots have been well established in their container. I'm not the only grower that moves up in pot size before transplanting into their final pot. It's pretty common practice. But hey, what works for one grower may not for another. In simply offering my advice based on my experiences.

In regards to capt. Trips question; you aren't as likely to get nute burn with organics because they simply aren't as strong/concentrated as chemical fertilizers, such as miracle grow. That's not to say it can't happen... Mix fresh, uncomposted chicken manure in your soil and you'll have problems.
Hey Valor, I completely understand....there are more than one paths to get from point A to point B. We choose to take different paths.
But in Capt's case, it looks like he's only growing in 10 gallon pots, so going from 1 gallon to 3 gallons then into 10 gallon pots is just an unnecessary step IMO.
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Blackvalor

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Hey Valor, I completely understand....there are more than one paths to get from point A to point B. We choose to take different paths.
But in Capt's case, it looks like he's only growing in 10 gallon pots, so going from 1 gallon to 3 gallons then into 10 gallon pots is just an unnecessary step IMO.
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Yeah I hear what you're saying. Different strokes for different folks :).

Gotta compliment you on that plant though. She's a beaut.
 

treemansbuds

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Wow! That's pretty goddamn impressive! Nice work. Do you top your plants?

I'd love to grow a tree but I don't know my neighbors very well, and they would definitely see it. Still hoping to get something decent in the 10's.
Never top/FIM, only super crop/SCROG. There's another wire panel laid horizontal
to the ground 18" below that wire panel you see in the picture. I weave the plant through the wire as it grows through it. I stop weaving Aug 1st, then as the plant stretches to start growing it's buds, I put that wire panel you see in the picture 18" above the SCROGed panel for the buds to grow through.
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