Anti government in the politics section

thenotsoesoteric

thenotsoesoteric

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twostrokenut said:
Ah, I see now what you meant. Hey dude or dudette thanks for sharing about your grandpa that takes guts. I was curious if the klan extorted money from him for "protection" like ya know "the mob" or whatever. You might like that book, I think if really illustrates that poor was poor, no matter your race in the south around that time.
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Dude here and thanks.


No money but rather a social norm kind of deal. I guess to make sure they knew where he stood thing.
 
twostrokenut

twostrokenut

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UncleBuck said:
except black people weren't allowed in stores, a position which you agree with.
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I don't agree with that statement though and am aware of your "if you're defending, you're losing" doctrine or any other "rule for radicals" or whatever marxist horseshit you're reading and executing these days up to and including your sole identifier which is identity politics........... You formed that generality though from a specific you and I discussed about whom the government allowed in those stores but hey, thinking's hard and shit amirite?
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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twostrokenut said:
I don't agree with that statement though and am aware of your "if you're defending, you're losing" doctrine or any other "rule for radicals" or whatever marxist horseshit you're reading these days.. You form that generality though from a specific you and I discussed about whom the government allowed in those stores but hey, thinking's hard and shit amirite?
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i asked you if you thought civil rights were a good idea point blank and you said no, you did not think they were a good idea. because if you were made to serve black people, what's left residually [SIC] inside of you? you just hate 'em more now.

no wonder you're allied with every racist, bigot, white supremacist, and neo-nazi on this forum, and more than a few in real life too.
 
twostrokenut

twostrokenut

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UncleBuck said:
i asked you if you thought civil rights were a good idea point blank and you said no, you did not think they were a good idea. because if you were made to serve black people, what's left residually [SIC] inside of you? you just hate 'em more now.

no wonder you're allied with every racist, bigot, white supremacist, and neo-nazi on this forum, and more than a few in real life too.
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That's a factually incorrect synopsis and conclusion, hence why you won't put it up in a linkable quote which is much easier than what you are doing. speculating with an agenda; aka trolling. If not then you are just unable to grasp more than a sentence. Which way is it Mr. hundred million posts?
 
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ovo

ovo

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standing by a burn pile being neighborly exchanged few words with next door man. guy drops blame on certain race for conditions within city. heart sank hearing stereotype. / glad this place isn't a condominium.
 
666888

666888

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thenotsoesoteric said:
You know, it is easy for people like Rob to blurt out stupid shit like, "is it right to use force to make people do business with each other" because their families have never been through the shit.

As I said my grandfather was a businessman who had no problem serving any customer black or white but was himself forced into a white supremacy group and forced not to serve black folks.

That is why the big bad scary government waved its wand and poof "forced poor self content white business owners to open stores and serve black folks."

Besides, name one of your white family members that were refused service at a cafe and then followed outside to receive an ass whooping? I'm guessing zero...
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That's right grandad was FORCED to join a white supremacy group and FORCED not to serve black folk

Yeah sure he was, sounds like grandad was a racist and proud of it, and good for him
 
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twostrokenut

twostrokenut

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ovo said:
standing by a burn pile being neighborly exchanged few words with next door man. guy drops blame on certain race for conditions within city. heart sank hearing stereotype. / glad this place isn't a condominium.
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That's pretty ignorant. You might want to point out the difference between race and culture to the guy next time. At least address it.
 
UncleBuck

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yawn.

me: do you agree that it was a good idea for the federal government to end racist practices that states were refusing to end on their own?

you: Look dude I don't think its a good idea.
 
TacoMac

TacoMac

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UncleBuck said:
except black people weren't allowed in stores, a position which you agree with.
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There's a good reason for that: the slaves were never intended to be freed to begin with.

It's a VERY long story, but this is about as close to a TL;DR you're going to get: The south knew it had no real chance to win the war without help from Europe. They had no industry to speak of, no way to mass produce guns, swords or other weaponry, so it was only a matter of time before attrition beat them.

This was common knowledge on both sides.

So the south pulled its trump card: the cotton trade.

Cotton had, quite literally, changed the world. Before, very expensive wool was required for most clothing. Now, cheap cotton was on the scene and the clothing industry had exploded. Europe in particular was addicted to the stuff. So, in an effort to get them (Europe) involved in the war, the south put a freeze on the cotton trade.

10's of thousands of tons of cotton sat there and rotted at southern ports. Europe was beside themselves with desperation to get more cotton. This, as before, was known by both sides.

The other major development in the world at the time is that Europe was ahead of us on abolishing slavery. England had abolished it in 1807. France in 1794. Many other European nations had as well in between those times. We were about all that was left.

Knowing full well that England and France were about a hiccup away from joining the war on the side of the south to unlock the blockade and get the cotton trade flowing again, Lincoln did the only thing he could: he wrote the emancipation proclamation.

He really had no choice. If he doesn't write it and by way of doing so abolish slavery, then the North loses the war, the union dissolves, and that's that. He knew full well that since he had written it, it would prohibit England and France from doing anything at all on behalf of the south. To do so would make the rest of the world think that they (England and France) were fighting to support slavery and as such would get them into more political hot water than you could shake a stick at.

It also put Lincoln under the gun as well. It flat pissed off everybody. It was a move that would ultimately cost him his life.

The slaves were never freed out of any desire to do the right thing. They were used as a political move to win a war. Nothing more.

It worked.

But what was worse is that from that point on, the blacks were left to fend for themselves. Sure, they had freedom...but what good did it do them?

  • They had no place to live.
  • The vast majority had no ability to read or write.
  • They had no money.
  • They had no higher education.
  • They had no land of their own.
The slaves were, quite literally, hurled into the cruel world without a pot to piss in or a window to throw it out of. There were three basic alternatives to the new "freemen" back then:
  • Stay on at their plantations as workers and work for no more than room and board. (Which many did, and this didn't change their position one damn bit.)
  • Head out west, stake a claim, and hope that no white people or Native Americans having a bad day came across them. (which many did, but few actually survived)
  • Flock to the cities and take whatever manual labor jobs they could get. (which is what the vast majority did...and they are still there to this day.)
We've shit on the black people of this nation by design since day one. We to this day try to keep them from voting, try to deprive them of education, spend 40 million dollars on a white school's stadium while at the same time letting a black inner city school crumble to ruins...the list is endless.

The Civil War had nothing to do with slavery. Simple fact: the war started the second week of April, 1861. The Emancipation Proclamation wasn't even written until nearly two years later in January of 1863.

It's not surprising to see so many racist idiots around. They were raised that way. They are the legacy of what this nation has been for centuries and in all likelihood will be for centuries to come: a bunch of hypocritical, bigoted assholes.
 
dandyrandy

dandyrandy

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As a white man in redneck Utopia I hear shit I wouldn't tell my wife from these peckerwoods. Give me a break. I'm 70. Been poor. Lot's around me still are. All trumpsters. I'm just watching the outrage now. Buyer's remorse. It's tough living on $12k a year. I understand. But they just aren't driven towards high tech where the jobs have been and are still growing. Tons of jobs around me but they hate punching a clock cause deer season and squirrel season and fishing and beer. And no education. It's about drive and they don't have it. Can't tell them. Od's every day. White trash dropping like flies. Just because of no drive. Sad
 
HAF2

HAF2

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TacoMac said:
There's a good reason for that: the slaves were never intended to be freed to begin with.

It's a VERY long story, but this is about as close to a TL;DR you're going to get: The south knew it had no real chance to win the war without help from Europe. They had no industry to speak of, no way to mass produce guns, swords or other weaponry, so it was only a matter of time before attrition beat them.

This was common knowledge on both sides.

So the south pulled its trump card: the cotton trade.

Cotton had, quite literally, changed the world. Before, very expensive wool was required for most clothing. Now, cheap cotton was on the scene and the clothing industry had exploded. Europe in particular was addicted to the stuff. So, in an effort to get them (Europe) involved in the war, the south put a freeze on the cotton trade.

10's of thousands of tons of cotton sat there and rotted at southern ports. Europe was beside themselves with desperation to get more cotton. This, as before, was known by both sides.

The other major development in the world at the time is that Europe was ahead of us on abolishing slavery. England had abolished it in 1807. France in 1794. Many other European nations had as well in between those times. We were about all that was left.

Knowing full well that England and France were about a hiccup away from joining the war on the side of the south to unlock the blockade and get the cotton trade flowing again, Lincoln did the only thing he could: he wrote the emancipation proclamation.

He really had no choice. If he doesn't write it and by way of doing so abolish slavery, then the North loses the war, the union dissolves, and that's that. He knew full well that since he had written it, it would prohibit England and France from doing anything at all on behalf of the south. To do so would make the rest of the world think that they (England and France) were fighting to support slavery and as such would get them into more political hot water than you could shake a stick at.

It also put Lincoln under the gun as well. It flat pissed off everybody. It was a move that would ultimately cost him his life.

The slaves were never freed out of any desire to do the right thing. They were used as a political move to win a war. Nothing more.

It worked.

But what was worse is that from that point on, the blacks were left to fend for themselves. Sure, they had freedom...but what good did it do them?

  • They had no place to live.
  • The vast majority had no ability to read or write.
  • They had no money.
  • They had no higher education.
  • They had no land of their own.
The slaves were, quite literally, hurled into the cruel world without a pot to piss in or a window to throw it out of. There were three basic alternatives to the new "freemen" back then:
  • Stay on at their plantations as workers and work for no more than room and board. (Which many did, and this didn't change their position one damn bit.)
  • Head out west, stake a claim, and hope that no white people or Native Americans having a bad day came across them. (which many did, but few actually survived)
  • Flock to the cities and take whatever manual labor jobs they could get. (which is what the vast majority did...and they are still there to this day.)
We've shit on the black people of this nation by design since day one. We to this day try to keep them from voting, try to deprive them of education, spend 40 million dollars on a white school's stadium while at the same time letting a black inner city school crumble to ruins...the list is endless.

The Civil War had nothing to do with slavery. Simple fact: the war started the second week of April, 1861. The Emancipation Proclamation wasn't even written until nearly two years later in January of 1863.

It's not surprising to see so many racist idiots around. They were raised that way. They are the legacy of what this nation has been for centuries and in all likelihood will be for centuries to come: a bunch of hypocritical, bigoted assholes.
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Interesting read, thanks. Didn’t learn as much American history as Canadian in School. I also really don’t know that many openly racist people around me.
And if I did, I would choose not to associate with them. Unless I ran a restaurant and they ordered food. And then I would spit in their food, although they deserve much worst. Hateful pricks.
 
Big_Lou

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HAF2 said:
Interesting read, thanks. Didn’t learn as much American history as Canadian in School. I also really don’t know that many openly racist people around me.
And if I did, I would choose not to associate with them. Unless I ran a restaurant and they ordered food. And then I would spit in their food, although they deserve much worst. Hateful pricks.
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Reminded me of an old joke.....

"Hey, what comes in the chef salad?"

"The CHEF!"

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thenotsoesoteric

thenotsoesoteric

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TacoMac said:
There's a good reason for that: the slaves were never intended to be freed to begin with.

It's a VERY long story, but this is about as close to a TL;DR you're going to get: The south knew it had no real chance to win the war without help from Europe. They had no industry to speak of, no way to mass produce guns, swords or other weaponry, so it was only a matter of time before attrition beat them.

This was common knowledge on both sides.

So the south pulled its trump card: the cotton trade.

Cotton had, quite literally, changed the world. Before, very expensive wool was required for most clothing. Now, cheap cotton was on the scene and the clothing industry had exploded. Europe in particular was addicted to the stuff. So, in an effort to get them (Europe) involved in the war, the south put a freeze on the cotton trade.

10's of thousands of tons of cotton sat there and rotted at southern ports. Europe was beside themselves with desperation to get more cotton. This, as before, was known by both sides.

The other major development in the world at the time is that Europe was ahead of us on abolishing slavery. England had abolished it in 1807. France in 1794. Many other European nations had as well in between those times. We were about all that was left.

Knowing full well that England and France were about a hiccup away from joining the war on the side of the south to unlock the blockade and get the cotton trade flowing again, Lincoln did the only thing he could: he wrote the emancipation proclamation.

He really had no choice. If he doesn't write it and by way of doing so abolish slavery, then the North loses the war, the union dissolves, and that's that. He knew full well that since he had written it, it would prohibit England and France from doing anything at all on behalf of the south. To do so would make the rest of the world think that they (England and France) were fighting to support slavery and as such would get them into more political hot water than you could shake a stick at.

It also put Lincoln under the gun as well. It flat pissed off everybody. It was a move that would ultimately cost him his life.

The slaves were never freed out of any desire to do the right thing. They were used as a political move to win a war. Nothing more.

It worked.

But what was worse is that from that point on, the blacks were left to fend for themselves. Sure, they had freedom...but what good did it do them?

  • They had no place to live.
  • The vast majority had no ability to read or write.
  • They had no money.
  • They had no higher education.
  • They had no land of their own.
The slaves were, quite literally, hurled into the cruel world without a pot to piss in or a window to throw it out of. There were three basic alternatives to the new "freemen" back then:
  • Stay on at their plantations as workers and work for no more than room and board. (Which many did, and this didn't change their position one damn bit.)
  • Head out west, stake a claim, and hope that no white people or Native Americans having a bad day came across them. (which many did, but few actually survived)
  • Flock to the cities and take whatever manual labor jobs they could get. (which is what the vast majority did...and they are still there to this day.)
We've shit on the black people of this nation by design since day one. We to this day try to keep them from voting, try to deprive them of education, spend 40 million dollars on a white school's stadium while at the same time letting a black inner city school crumble to ruins...the list is endless.

The Civil War had nothing to do with slavery. Simple fact: the war started the second week of April, 1861. The Emancipation Proclamation wasn't even written until nearly two years later in January of 1863.

It's not surprising to see so many racist idiots around. They were raised that way. They are the legacy of what this nation has been for centuries and in all likelihood will be for centuries to come: a bunch of hypocritical, bigoted assholes.
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History is a funny thing. It is all written down and people could educate themselves to it if they only cared to, and most don't. Your write up is spot on.
 
thenotsoesoteric

thenotsoesoteric

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666888 said:
That's ok thenotsoesoteri c , he was your grandad
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Cool dude. Why don't you tell me some more about my life and my family's life. Better yet, why don't you tell me about my Grandfather seeing as how you knew him so well. Tell me about how he was a racist, tell me about how life in 1960's Tennessee went, tell me about Klan intimidation and retaliation. Why don't you write me up a scathing report based on your superior intellect and knowledge of such things.
 
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