Another gun thread

[canndo]

I made some snide remarks about gun culture in other threads and I know at least several here proudly own firearms.

I was a journeyman gun Smith long long ago under the instruction of my grandfather.

I have nothing against guns, nothing against one's constitutionally specified right to keep and bear.

I do not believe in background checks or any system of connecting any firearm to any individual.

What I dislike is American gun culture. The typical American gun creature. This person has an affliction that taints his "cause" (there should be no such "cause".

This affliction is the notion of "gun as talisman".

They actually believe that mere possession of a firearm wards off all evil. They are certain that brandishing their arm will in itself keep them from succumbing to political disruption, that it will automatically safeguard the owner's rights. It will magically put food on his table, keep his daughter from being raped, make him equal in all respects.

It will right all wrongs and indemnify him from all misfortune.


These owners are impervious to facts and statistics and driven by a uniquely American fear of...crime mostly from those of black persuasion but still. They actually believe that they are protecting their family and home with these weapons.

Gun as talisman.

 

[Autodoctor]

Nothing against background checks but the bad guys can get guns regardless

 

[Autodoctor]

I have many guns and in a state that can carry with no permit but I still won’t carry due to I think you may handle situations differently if was carrying and personally don’t want that type of headache if you ended up using it when had you not carried you could of handlers it without it

 

[canndo]

I have many guns and in a state that can carry with no permit but I still won’t carry due to I think you may handle situations differently if was carrying and personally don’t want that type of headache if you ended up using it when had you not carried you could of handlers it without it

An early example of the understanding of gun as talisman.

And a disbelief of statistics. "Yeah but I'm different, statistics don't apply to me".

Old gun smith's are the most safety conscious folk there are. Yet I know one who lost a finger, one who put a hole in his ceiling and one who killed his prize bull.


Everyone is statistically relevant.

One is more likely to be harmed by a firearm, his own or another's, than he is to actually defend himself with it.

Unless he is in specific situations.

 

[lokie]

I made some snide remarks about gun culture in other threads and I know at least several here proudly own firearms.

I was a journeyman gun Smith long long ago under the instruction of my grandfather.

I have nothing against guns, nothing against one's constitutionally specified right to keep and bear.

I do not believe in background checks or any system of connecting any firearm to any individual.

What I dislike is American gun culture. The typical American gun creature. This person has an affliction that taints his "cause" (there should be no such "cause".

This affliction is the notion of "gun as talisman".

They actually believe that mere possession of a firearm wards off all evil. They are certain that brandishing their arm will in itself keep them from succumbing to political disruption, that it will automatically safeguard the owner's rights. It will magically put food on his table, keep his daughter from being raped, make him equal in all respects.

It will right all wrongs and indemnify him from all misfortune.


These owners are impervious to facts and statistics and driven by a uniquely American fear of...crime mostly from those of black persuasion but still. They actually believe that they are protecting their family and home with these weapons.

Gun as talisman.

You are an idiot.

 

[canndo]

You are an idiot.

And here we go.

You maintain I am an idiot because I have an opinion likely divergent from your own.

Or, you could attempt to explain your pronouncement.

 

[outside Dixie]

Dont know about all that.. But i have had one all my life .Carry 2 now. Ankle Back Everywhere i go..

 

[canndo]

But let's examine the next aspect of gun culture. The American gun culturist will not abide by any opinion other than full and complete acceptance of their viewpoint. One phrase that might cast a different perspective on anything but full endorsement of all guns and all gun mannerisms, will be enough to have the persons view denied as foolish, dangerous, un-American and unacceptable.

There can be no discussion, no introspection. If I am not completely for every aspect of gun culture I am not a "patriot" and must be a simpleton liberal who naturally wishes to confiscate all firearms.

See if I'm not right.

 

[canndo]

Dont know about all that.. But i have had one all my life .Carry 2 now. Ankle Back Everywhere i go..

Why?

 

[outside Dixie]

Well come on down..Talk that shit in the Deep South..GUNS SAVE LIVES..

 

[outside Dixie]

Go to any town at night and tell me that shit...

 

[canndo]

Let's talk about crime, not theft as in my opinion, possessions are not worth a life, anyone's life. I carry all sorts if insurance and everything is replaceable.

I've been to lots of towns at night.

But we live in a country that has more people in total and per capita behind bars.

Just how many violent criminals are there in the u.s.? Are there so many that those who are not in jail are a constant threat? Are we packed with so many more violent people on this country than any other?

In most situations there are four levels of danger. The least dangerous is a situation where there are no guns.

The next is where there is one, and you hold it.

The next is where there is but one and someone else holds it and the most dangerous is where there are two (or more).

I figure that my remaining unarmed is most often the least dangerous.

 

[Samwell Seed Well]

Well come on down..Talk that shit in the Deep South..GUNS SAVE LIVES..

Guns take more lives then they save. Not a debate. But I'm sure there is enough oxygen in your domicile

I feel like.guns are one of those issues, you either have empathy or you are super self centered... it's a tool of destruction. Attempting to ignore this get you a sign- A responsible and cognizant gun owner

 

[mooray]

Well come on down..Talk that shit in the Deep South..GUNS SAVE LIVES..

Guns don't kill people, people kill people, but people don't save lives....guns save lives?

And what's the big deal about talking shit in the deep south? Is there something different down there?

 

[mooray]

I made some snide remarks about gun culture in other threads and I know at least several here proudly own firearms.

I was a journeyman gun Smith long long ago under the instruction of my grandfather.

I have nothing against guns, nothing against one's constitutionally specified right to keep and bear.

I do not believe in background checks or any system of connecting any firearm to any individual.

What I dislike is American gun culture. The typical American gun creature. This person has an affliction that taints his "cause" (there should be no such "cause".

This affliction is the notion of "gun as talisman".

They actually believe that mere possession of a firearm wards off all evil. They are certain that brandishing their arm will in itself keep them from succumbing to political disruption, that it will automatically safeguard the owner's rights. It will magically put food on his table, keep his daughter from being raped, make him equal in all respects.

It will right all wrongs and indemnify him from all misfortune.


These owners are impervious to facts and statistics and driven by a uniquely American fear of...crime mostly from those of black persuasion but still. They actually believe that they are protecting their family and home with these weapons.

Gun as talisman.

I was raised shooting with gramps since I was maybe ten'ish and they've been a source of fun since as long as I can remember. But, I know exactly what you're talking about; that erotic infatuation which goes waaaaaaaay beyond common passion for any object. "Gun as talisman" is being too polite, they're called ammosexuals.

 

[GoatSoup]

I have many guns, but I draw the line at AR & AKs. I fired an AR in Viet Nam just to see how different it was from my M14. Was not impressed. Too easy and no power to speak of.
Now I shoot America's first assualt rifle, a 1901 Krag carbine. Plenty of power, smooth operation and it doesn't scare the fearful.

 

[CatHedral]

But let's examine the next aspect of gun culture. The American gun culturist will not abide by any opinion other than full and complete acceptance of their viewpoint. One phrase that might cast a different perspective on anything but full endorsement of all guns and all gun mannerisms, will be enough to have the persons view denied as foolish, dangerous, un-American and unacceptable.

There can be no discussion, no introspection. If I am not completely for every aspect of gun culture I am not a "patriot" and must be a simpleton liberal who naturally wishes to confiscate all firearms.
See if I'm not right.

This is not discussion. It is an emotional jeremiad.
I think it is important to establish a boundary between ordinary realistic gun owners and the sort of worshipers you describe. What I am reading is an effort to entrain all gun owners or reasoned advocates of civil firearm carry as dangerous fanatics.

This is not a suitable basis for discussion. I am not interested in dismantling every one of the distortions in here, nor am I interested into swimming upstream against ultimately emotional opposition.

 

[CatHedral]

I have many guns, but I draw the line at ARs and AKs. I fired an AR in Viet Nam just to see how different it was from my M14. Was not impressed. Too easy and no power to speak of.
Now I shoot America's first assualt rifle, a 1901 Krag carbine. Plenty of power, smooth operation and it doesn't scare the fearful.

Not an assault rifle. A defining characteristic of such is select fire: safe, semi, full.
You describe a battle rifle.

 

[mooray]

There's also the legal definition, like here in California.

 

[canndo]

I was raised shooting with gramps since I was maybe ten'ish and they've been a source of fun since as long as I can remember. But, I know exactly what you're talking about; that erotic infatuation which goes waaaaaaaay beyond common passion for any object. "Gun as talisman" is being too polite, they're called ammosexuals.

Guns are tools.

Ok.

Varmit rifle? Flat trajectory hopefully cheap ammunition, perhaps something where the bullet is frangible enough so that it won't bounce off the ground.

Bigger game? Something heavy enough so the projectile won't be deflected by foliage, a heavy bullet that passes through bone.

Bird on the wing? Shot gun with a tight pattern at the distance you intend.

Self defense in an enclosed space? Semi auto hand gun.

How about a large gage shot gun for those who just aren't that good with a hand gun?

The right tool for the particular job.

Now, if a firearm is a tool, what job is an ar 15 platform (pick a caliber) semiauto with a large capacity magazine, a foldable stock and flash suppressor good for?

It may not be an "assault weapon" but what job is it best suited for?