Anime!

I think your right, in that when I saw the role call, I had the same thought...its a strange thing in fiction, despite the fact that we are aware that its straight make believe, its only interesting if they're is some logical flow, and it almost seemed like...something just clicked in my head, a theory, let me run it by you....

in Shakespeare's the Tempest, its often been said that Prospero was an incarnation of shakespeare. I'm wondering at this point if Kabuto is not serving the same purpose for kishi. As he is "god" of his own world, he used it to create a situation where he could play with interactions that wouldn't have made sense...ie, rather than coming up with a complex plot to bring two characters together for a dialogue, he made a blanket situation that will justify any dialogue between any characters in the naruto universe without need for their own leadup....

EDIT: Also, did it seem off to you that orochimaru is being made out to be such a badass? Madara seems intimidated and frusterated by how much oroch new about what he was doing, despite the fact that itachi owned him, sasuke owned him, but he's supposed to be a match for madara, who is two generations at least older than the other two uchiha's?! It seems like they're making him/kabuto to more powerful then past incidents would deem possible...

So what did you think of this bleach?

i wonder why kabuto didnt bring back jiraiya, i think the fact that 1-4 of the hokages are not among them also must mean they cannot be revived because of them being sealed in the god of death, which makes me wonder then just who was it that the 3rd somehow stopped from being summoned during orochimaru's and his last fight.
Didnt really seem like bleach did anything much, not saying they are bad chapters but they are going to take it slow like we both said before.

now that you mention it, I didn't see jiraiya in there, I wonder if they're going to bring him out later as a fucked up plot twist.Though honestly, I'm pretty sure we know how that would play out, Naruto would fuck him up, and jiraiya would be proud. (I remember when the third fought the first and second they apologized for causing him trouble, so I'm sure we would see Jiraiya smile and tell naruto something to the effect that he's either proud of him, or say something like "you have grown") So while it would be cool to see animated, it would almost be to predictable. Still be a fucked up scene, especially seeing naruto's initial reaction.
Yea, I'm almost tempted to ignore bleach for a couple of weeks so I won't be disappointed. At this point they're wasting way to many cells on showing his "normal life" we knew they would, but fucking come on, you made us wait two weeks for this? Effectively that comes out to 4 weeks of nothingness save maybe 4-5 pages that looked interesting between the two of them...

Yeah, im sure thats what will happen and why we didnt see jiraiya, I would be extremely shocked if it ended up not being the case. I wonder how they are going to defeat those *zombies* though, i was thinking back to the fight between orochi and the 3rd and how the 1rst and second said they were sorry for troubling him and earlier in the fight the 3rd did try a physical attack (well, exploding tags, it was an attack of their bodies directly i mean) and they both were wounded and had one of their legs sort of blown off, but they almost instantly regenerated them and the 3rd said that he guessed it was no use to try to defeat the bodies themselves and the only way to unravel/break orochimarus jutsu was to deal with the trapped souls themselves. I wonder why kabuto only summoned up the current generation(well, the last generation to posses them) of former jinchuuriki as well, if they are still strong enough to be of use in madaras army even though they lost their beasts it doesnt seem odd to bring them back since they were trained to surpress and use the beasts power which means they must be strong w/o them still, but why not bring all of them ever back to life? same with the previous kage too. its probally cuz they didnt want to have to design a whole bunch of new characters and even more backstories and all that stuff. another thing i noticed is that in the former kage panel their is someone who looks almost identical to kakuza while the guy who must be the one to represent former akatsuki doesnt look anything like him really. I see a slight resemblance due to the stitches on his mouth and shoulder but thats about it really imo. i also noticed that danzo was not shown at all on any of the panels

looks like you wont be missing anything w/bleach the next few weeks, Tite is really milking out this intro to the new story like we figured he would like he has done in the past. Naruto doesnt look bad, it seems to show the armed forces finish getting ready for the war and something real interesting is that like 3 or 4 of the zombies have a chat, asuma(sarutobi), tsunades old boyfriend dan, haku, and zabuza i believe. Well, actually the full spoiler came out about 5 minutes ago. its still a bit rough and the words may not be exact but its pretty close. Check it out. i must admit it seems kind of long to me but its come from 2 different reliable translators.

516: Gaara's Speech (Gaara's pic in the front page)

Konoha's Byakugan intercepts the huge army. (An) Edo-tensei corpse came out from Madara's hideout. (???)
Anko: Return to the main squad and report this, quickly! I'll stay here and investigate the hideout further.
Byakugan guy: It's too dangerous for you alone!
Anko: Shaddap and just go!

Edo-tensei corpse apparently having conversation
Haku: Zabuza-san...
Zabuza: Yeah, I know. This is not the netherworld.
Haku: I have full consciousness... But my body is moving on its own...
(Probably a Kumogakure nin): This is Edo-Tensei (how famous does this supposedly forbidden jutsu get!?) Seems like we are summoned by someone, which means we'll have to fight soon.
Zabuza: Being used even in death... I hate this guy.

Switches to Madara and Kabuto
Kabuto told someone (not made clear) to launch surprise attack from air. Sasori and Deidara would provide traps and bombs respectively.
A Kiri-nin (can't read the name's Kanji... Chuukichi?) and Ne (Root?) from Konoha would provide detection and support.
Konoha's Ne wondered what was happening. The Kiri-nin tried to threaten Akatsuki but got subdued when Kabuto formed some seal.
Sasori: To be used by this brat... Akatsuki sure has fallen. What's more, the only survivors are Zetsu and my substitute Tobi?
Deidara: As someone who died while bragging eternity as an art, you shouldn't say conceited things like that, Danna. un.
Sasori: Want me to kill you!?
Deidara: We're both dead, Danna. un.
Madara: Is it really OK with this?
Kabuto: It's quite tough to control so many Edo-corpses at once. But I'll only control them for the movement phase. In battle, I'll kill their personality and make them fighting dolls. You don't need to worry... ...Although, sometimes leaving their personality intact would strike a blow to the enemy's psychology...

Dan and Asuma having a conversation
Asuma: Aren't you Dan?
Dan: Yeah, and we're both dead. Seems like we are bound by a jutsu that resurrects us to the living world.
Neji's dad: What's going on?
Asuma: I have a bad feeling about this...

Kabuto: Won't you bring the white-black Zetsu?
Madara: Zetsu will look after Sasuke. Besides, you might kidnap him in the middle of the war.
Kabuto: Hmph.
Madara: The hundred thousand Zetsu will move from underground. The sheer amount would stand out too much otherwise.
Kabuto: Then let's go too, shall we? First...

Byakugan guy fled. Anko remained. Anko hid among bushes, but was spotted.
Kabuto: Sen'ei Tajashu! (Hidden snake-arms jutsu)
Anko: Ditto
Deidara and Sasori are airborne on Dei's bird. They're with the Chuukichi guy and Ne of Konoha.
Chuukichi: It's there...
Deidara: So it's just like what Kabuto said. Three rats at two o'clock's direction.

Byakugan guy realizes the oddity.
Byakugan guy: Both of you, run! I will delay them here!

Back at the Shinobi alliance's
Some Nins talked about Gaara and whether he was capable of leading the squads.
Some Nins started bickering with each other, fighting about whose dad was killed by whom. In the middle of the commotion, Gaara's sand subdued them.

(Gaara gave an inspirational speech-no-jutsu. My translation won't do it any justice, so just wait for the manga.)

Kakashi noticed that everyone's face lit up.

Naruto managed to stack up the blocks without them crumbling down. Bee talked about the last training.

Raikage: We'll win this Fourth Great Ninja World War.
Tsuchikage: But of course!
Tsunade: Yeah!

...got too much time in my hands today o.0 Will translate the part about Gaara's Gettysburg Shinobi Address.

"Fighting for the benefit of one's country and one's village has continued from the First to the Third World War. Shinobis hurt and hated each other. This hatred lusted for power, and amidst this, I was born. I too, used to live among this hatred and power; I was a Jinchuuriki.
(everybody looked at Gaara)
"And I hated this world with passion. I wanted to destroy it, much like what Akatsuki is trying to do now. But a Konoha Shinobi stopped me.
(flashback to Naruto vs. Gaara and their handshake moment)
"He cried for me, his enemy... and he called the hurt me his friend. He saved me. We were enemies to each other, and yet we were both Jinchuurikis. There is no enemy among people who understand the same suffering.
"And now, here, there is no enemy among us, because we are fellow people who were made suffer by Akatsuki. There is no Suna, Iwa, Konoha, Kiri, or Kumo. What's here... is only Shinobi!
"If even after this, you can't forgive Suna (referring to the Shinobi earlier who ******* about his father being killed by Suna), then after this war has ended, you can take my head!
(said Shinobi was nonplussed)
"This friend who saved me is now being targeted by the foe. If he gets caught, then it's all over for this world. I want to protect my friend... And I want to protect the world!
"I am too young to do that alone. Which is why, I need everyone to lend their power!"

This is going to be a bad ass chapter....
the zombies talking about it made me laugh my ass off...
can't wait to see this shit animated...
I wonder if any of the zombies are going to find a way to betray kabuto, since he's trying to control so many...

its gonna be real interesting, im thinking kabuto is going to let them feel and seem like they overcame him and his control and that their true personalities won, and the *zombies* will have a emotional reunions with the ones they were closest to in life, but it will be a trap. Kabuto will take back control and try to attack everyone with them, I have a feeling it might be expected though, the kages and main strategists are aware of the edo tensei and i could see shikamaru and a few other strategists of similar strengths and intelligence as his from a few of the other villages together could think of it in advance is perfectly possible and they could be prepared for the possibility of it happening in advance.

I was thinking some of the zombies might take that chance to give up their weaknesses...since they're speech is the only thing they can control, not to mention now that I"ve read it I'm extremely curious to see what the next and last bit of naruto's trainings going to be, sounds really fucked up...I did think it was funny that zabusa, known as the demon of the mist, thought that the practice was stooping down to low...I had thought of some of them breaking free because he over did it, but I hadn't thought about him feigning failure to make the psychological damage worse....

as a sidenote, I'm not sure if you check it out but they're is a funny ass thread on the zombie apoc you have to check out....where I picked up my new sig

i wonder who he meant by "I hate that guy." It could be kabuto, or it could be madara. I think the whole village of the bloody mist thing was probally madara's doing and he used the swordsmen when he was a *kage*, but i dont know how zabuza would know that unless he found out after he died. which is possible i suppose, haku and then zabuzas comment of them not being in the netherworld also reveals some about the whole after death and what happens when you do die in the naruto universe i think. Not alot but a little bit of it. i wonder though if they have a netherworld and then like a *heaven* or if everyone goes to the same place.
2 manga things ive been thinking about lately
1. The whole soul society and soul reapers thing, ok, a person dies and crosses over, i got that, but dont they keep their personalities and to an extent their physical form(as in age and stuff like that, that little boy chad saved did for sure). If all the soul reapers are chosen from them wouldnt that mean the captains would of had to have been alive as humans at one point? I also wonder about the concept of aging over in soul society, if your not given a new birth or whatever does that mean everyone in soul society died young? I dont know, its just kind of complicated and not well explained i dont think.
2. the chunin exam,....
well, i wish i could finish about my chunin exam thought but i dont got the time, i'll have to finish it later, lol.

I wonder why kabuto revived the "leaf root member". Their must be a special ability she has or something like that for him to revive her.

NevaSmokedOut said:

any ranma fans, anyone?

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†L† Thats an old school, I've seen about the first 4 seasons, wife fucking loves that series, seen all the seasons and manga...she's a huge anime fan....

darkdestruction420 said:

I wonder why kabuto revived the "leaf root member". Their must be a special ability she has or something like that for him to revive her.

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What was the thought about the chunnin exam?!! †LOL† I thought zabusa was talking about kabuto, but when he was woken up during role call he could have seen or recognized madara...couldnt have been to fond of the kage from the village he betrayed...I also have to wonder if madara was responsible for the fucked up chunnin exam in the mist village (the one in which he killed all of his peers)

man i was looking up some stuff about naruto to try to finalize my chunin exam thought more. I stumbled upon something interesting, in one of masashi kishimotos art book released in japan it lists what each tailed beast is exactly! 4 tails=gorilla-not extremely surprising, 5 tails= A dolphin horse(whatever the fuck that is), which puzzles me, mainly because...what the fuck is a dolphin horse. lol. 6= slug, kind of odd, but not shocking. 7=beetle. again just kind of odd.
Its the first time i learned/heard of this, but im 99% sure it legit.

†LOL† it is legit, I thought I told you, must have just shown you the picture, but yea, thats all right. The dolphin horse, kishi said he combined a dolphin and a horse to make the five tail, which made no fucking since to me. For some reason all of them are just one animal with many tails except 5 and 8, where he decided, "fuck it, I'm kishi, I can make my own damn animals" also, kishi said that the sannin were the only things taken from another source, the rest was original. Then in the same interview said he included the nine tails because its the most powerful of mythic creatures in japan. (wtf?) After doing some research, the two tails is also a mythical creature there, same with the one tail. The third, and his weapon were based on things from 'Journey to the west' and I don't remember the other ones I found, but yea...

yeah, not to mention amaterasu and susano and tsui...the nightmare realm one. those are all right out of jap folklore too. i know ive seen alot of other things you and i are not thinking of thats taken from japanese folklore/myth as well.

here's part of it, why was naruto not promoted to chunin? He won his fight, was given an A rank mission along with sakura and shikimaru by kakashi which they completed. Then naruto gave it his all to save sakura and the others from gaara and fought an unbelievable battle and won. but he's still not good enough to get promoted to chunin?

I love Naruto, but I hate watching it online because I can't find the newest episodes. Any help?

darkdestruction420 said:

here's part of it, why was naruto not promoted to chunin? He won his fight, was given an A rank mission along with sakura and shikimaru by kakashi which they completed. Then naruto gave it his all to save sakura and the others from gaara and fought an unbelievable battle and won. but he's still not good enough to get promoted to chunin?

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He never got to finish his test. Is it anal? YES, and its complete bullshit, but yea. Despite the fact that there isn't a jonin in the village that could hang with him, so really he should be given rank of jonin, ESPECIALLY after the Pain incident. That proved he was the most powerful ninja in the village. Though have to say would be funny as hell if they make him hokage directly from genin.

Now, Bleach - I may be a bit slow, but I was watching the anime where aizen told ichigo that he had been watching him since he was born, and something finally clicked. I had always assumed that the whole giving up of your shinigami powers and having a family was a semi-common thing. I figured that was the closest thing to retiring for them save go to that prison, but after watching that, I'm starting to think that its EXTREMELY rare, or maybe hadn't even happened before. I think Isshin is more of a bad ass then I gave him credit, he must have been straight legendary..

shikimaru became a chunin from it though. he didnt even win his fight. they said that wasnt what actually mattered was the "character traits" of a chunin being observed, my rant was more about what more could of they asked for from to prove he was at the chunin level, I guess naruto might not have shown the leadership skills they wanted or something lame like that, but all those things i mentioned b4 combined i think should of been enough to get them to overlook that he wasnt perfect in some areas, i mean shikimaru lost but based on his intelligence and strategic brilliance and that he also knew when he was beaten and surrendered they decided to promote him even though he didnt do perfectly.

naruto spoilers look kind of lame, seems they might focus on sai for a bit.
Bleach is starting to pick up a bit, something about ichigo and uruhara and some guy who wants to know about isshin and his past.