An Important Harm Reduction Message
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Bigtacofarmer
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I have wondered about all the wild sassafras near where I live?
MrEDuck
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http://guardiannews.com/society/2013/jan/22/police-contaminated-ecstasy-tablets-deaths
Three dead in England from bad pills. There's no toxicology data available yet but I'd bet there's PMA in them. Purple, green, yellow, and blue hearts.
Becareful and test your drugs!
Three dead in England from bad pills. There's no toxicology data available yet but I'd bet there's PMA in them. Purple, green, yellow, and blue hearts.
Becareful and test your drugs!
canndo
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There could have been a time when I was your source - I was dependable and always always gave everyone the first cabin cruize. but I was wrong plenty of times - I wound up selling what today would have been a gold mine but back then was a rip off - cans of mushrooms touted to be maqic. In fact they were button mushrooms filled with acid. I was fooled - and so were all of my clients. I finally waved a black light over the liquid and it glowed like blue fire - magic mushrooms don't do that.
canndo
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Folks gotta start thinking for themselves.
I've been hearing about mescaline being in this or that for 40 years. I've heard all about those mescaline "seed" tabs or micro dot mescaline.
A great dose of mdma is what? 80? 90? 100 mg? a great dose of mescaline is 400 - but forget that, one can feel 100 mg of mescaline so your sass dose is going to have to be at least 160 mg in order to have any effect at all.
MrEDuck
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http://www.erowid.org/library/books_online/pihkal/pihkal097.shtml
PMA and PMMA aren't very active, the number one sign is serotonin syndrome. PMA is a serotonin releaser and an MAOI which is a bad combo because as the levels rise it gets harder for the body to break it down leading to serotonin syndrome.
PMA and PMMA aren't very active, the number one sign is serotonin syndrome. PMA is a serotonin releaser and an MAOI which is a bad combo because as the levels rise it gets harder for the body to break it down leading to serotonin syndrome.
KushKrew
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Well for purposes of this post I am going to be using the acronym SWIM (someone who isn't me) a lot so just clarifying that beforehand:
We have a massive party culture here in South Africa, and there's been some WEIRD shit going around. Seeing as this is an 'MDMA' oriented thread I'll put them all out there:
Firstly, the MDMA used to really be pretty good. It all came over from the UK, then got cleaned up nice by one guy, an oldschool chemist that doesn't even eat any, he just loves 'playing lego on an atomic level' as he loved to say. Now that was our one prize source... Now there's strange cats running around with strange stuff...
SWIM got a few grams as a sample, now this was WRONG man, sticky and brown-ish. I'm used to snorting it, was impossible with this stuff. Effect was not cool, it has all the MDMA 'drive' but none of the sunshine. Also had that 'shrivelling' effect dex used to have, going for a piss it was like my knob had fallen off. And comes in bloody cheap, too cheap for good clean mandy.
SWIM got another sample from another source, even weirder, crystals yes but a 7g piece was clearly the corner off some big 'block' it looked veiny and crystals broke off along the veins. Also, ample drive, no SUNSHINE. And holy balls did it burn. Mum and Dad usually make bit of a noise going up the stairs, but not like this, it was proper eye-watering BURN.
Good clean MDMA does burn but in an nice way, not savage like that stuff.
Haven't touched either since.
Then there's this stuff they're calling 'BKMDMA' but a much more trusted source identified it as a research chemical named MDMC. Gorgeous crystals, apparently tests incredibly pure, quasi-legal... But nobody can tell me a single risk for this stuff.
People are running around getting bent on this stuff (it's DIRT) cheap without even knowing a single risk. My how the party world has changed. Makes me feel old.
and the one that freaks me out the most. SWIM recently got a gram of LSD from his usual trusted source. There's something WRONG with this stuff too.
Acid, it's colourless, it's odourless. Countless grams have gone through SWIM's very capable hands. As usual one quarter got mixed into concentrate which then got mixed into sour candy dropper bottles, mix was as usual distilled water and pure alcohol. All went swell to this point, bottles at 120 mics felt like 100 mics, though... And then it went brown. Bottles were now STRONGER, more like what SWIM would expect from 120mics. The rest of the crystal was still normal, but each batch changed colour after mixing up, and the crystal itself was going darker, getting a browney-ness to it. And later it was noticed that the dosage-curve seems to be a lot steeper than usual, 100 mics felt strong, 300 not as strong as you'd expect, 500 was a case of WTF did we dose that right?...
It's not acid. SWIM'd love to know WHAT it is, but there is no longer a good chemist in the family that he can take a sample to. So now we don't even know what we know anymore.
Thank god for reefer.
We have a massive party culture here in South Africa, and there's been some WEIRD shit going around. Seeing as this is an 'MDMA' oriented thread I'll put them all out there:
Firstly, the MDMA used to really be pretty good. It all came over from the UK, then got cleaned up nice by one guy, an oldschool chemist that doesn't even eat any, he just loves 'playing lego on an atomic level' as he loved to say. Now that was our one prize source... Now there's strange cats running around with strange stuff...
SWIM got a few grams as a sample, now this was WRONG man, sticky and brown-ish. I'm used to snorting it, was impossible with this stuff. Effect was not cool, it has all the MDMA 'drive' but none of the sunshine. Also had that 'shrivelling' effect dex used to have, going for a piss it was like my knob had fallen off. And comes in bloody cheap, too cheap for good clean mandy.
SWIM got another sample from another source, even weirder, crystals yes but a 7g piece was clearly the corner off some big 'block' it looked veiny and crystals broke off along the veins. Also, ample drive, no SUNSHINE. And holy balls did it burn. Mum and Dad usually make bit of a noise going up the stairs, but not like this, it was proper eye-watering BURN.
Good clean MDMA does burn but in an nice way, not savage like that stuff.
Haven't touched either since.
Then there's this stuff they're calling 'BKMDMA' but a much more trusted source identified it as a research chemical named MDMC. Gorgeous crystals, apparently tests incredibly pure, quasi-legal... But nobody can tell me a single risk for this stuff.
People are running around getting bent on this stuff (it's DIRT) cheap without even knowing a single risk. My how the party world has changed. Makes me feel old.
and the one that freaks me out the most. SWIM recently got a gram of LSD from his usual trusted source. There's something WRONG with this stuff too.
Acid, it's colourless, it's odourless. Countless grams have gone through SWIM's very capable hands. As usual one quarter got mixed into concentrate which then got mixed into sour candy dropper bottles, mix was as usual distilled water and pure alcohol. All went swell to this point, bottles at 120 mics felt like 100 mics, though... And then it went brown. Bottles were now STRONGER, more like what SWIM would expect from 120mics. The rest of the crystal was still normal, but each batch changed colour after mixing up, and the crystal itself was going darker, getting a browney-ness to it. And later it was noticed that the dosage-curve seems to be a lot steeper than usual, 100 mics felt strong, 300 not as strong as you'd expect, 500 was a case of WTF did we dose that right?...
It's not acid. SWIM'd love to know WHAT it is, but there is no longer a good chemist in the family that he can take a sample to. So now we don't even know what we know anymore.
Thank god for reefer.
MrEDuck
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SWIM offers no legal protection and makes it harder to read what you've written.
BKMDMA=MDMC=BetaKeto-MDMA=MethyleneDioxyMethCathinone=methylone=M1 Thanks to the incredible recklessness that people start abusing new drugs with we're starting to get some ideas about it. On a neurotoxicity level it's probably better than MDMA at equivalent doses, what redosing does we really can't say exactly other than it will increase the incidence of problems. The issue is that people seem much more likely to redose methylone than MDMA because it has a shorter duration.
I can't really say what the substance may have been that burnt more than "normal" MDMA. There's a lot of similar drugs out there that are all going to be unpleasant at best but some are probably much worse than others.
Is there a service in your country that will analyze samples that are sent in? We have ecstasydata here, they can't give you actual amounts of everything but it tells you whats in there.
BKMDMA=MDMC=BetaKeto-MDMA=MethyleneDioxyMethCathinone=methylone=M1 Thanks to the incredible recklessness that people start abusing new drugs with we're starting to get some ideas about it. On a neurotoxicity level it's probably better than MDMA at equivalent doses, what redosing does we really can't say exactly other than it will increase the incidence of problems. The issue is that people seem much more likely to redose methylone than MDMA because it has a shorter duration.
I can't really say what the substance may have been that burnt more than "normal" MDMA. There's a lot of similar drugs out there that are all going to be unpleasant at best but some are probably much worse than others.
Is there a service in your country that will analyze samples that are sent in? We have ecstasydata here, they can't give you actual amounts of everything but it tells you whats in there.
Impman
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MrEDuck thank you for all of your information! I am a fan and yours! I started a San Pedro thread you posted some information on. I was cooking cactus tea and tried it several times, each time getting stuck on the toilet for a period of time. sucks. great trip but ...yeaah.. Ok, so you gave a awesome run down on the extraction of mescaline, that I have read and re read and still need to read again. I was wondering if you had a list of supplies for a mescaline extract, that can be bought at local hardware stores or home depot, wal mart. Specifically, a make-shift separatory funnel. if you already have posted said list I apologize , but I have searched ... a little. Or if you think it would be a really bad idea for someone with no chemistry experience to try it then never mind. I am looking forward to a nice mescaline trip again and have some beautiful cacti in the back yard that are potent. I can stomach the taste of the tea (yuck!) but i am punished by mescalito later. If you don't have time no worries! I think right before you made a list last time your foot was swollen. hope that is better 
MrEDuck
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8 dead in Northern Ireland, no toxicology yet but always a good reminder to test your drugs. Fuck prohibition!http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-23104219
Mad Hamish
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There you are you little madman. Not gotten yerself kicked off yet? And stop hi-jacking my bloody wifi lol...
MrEDuck
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A death a dozens of hospitalizations at Paradiso Festival in WA.
http://www.komonews.com/news/1-dead-dozens-hospitalized-after-drug-overdoses-at-Paradiso-Festival-Gorge-Amphitheatre-213783041.html?m=y&smobile=y&clmob=y&c=n
http://www.komonews.com/news/1-dead-dozens-hospitalized-after-drug-overdoses-at-Paradiso-Festival-Gorge-Amphitheatre-213783041.html?m=y&smobile=y&clmob=y&c=n
Mad Hamish
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Prohibition: HooFuckingRaaaaaaaaaaaaay. Makes me kinda livid really.
MaryjaneFirechild
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Its never funny that some chick gets socked up by a dude. No matter how screwed up this girl is... She is still a girl. Have your girlfriend kick her ass. Oh wait dudes like that don't have girlfriends.
racerboy71
bud bootlegger
go back to grass city then, oh that's right, you were banned there too, wonder why.. tic toc, tic toc..