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medicineman · Feb 3, 2007

dankciti said:
so the i am not crazy huh..... wel not completely.

so now we know whats hurting this country what can we do to help it. (BESIDES THE POLITICAL LOTTERY)

Write your senator and congressmen, E-mail them or go on protest marches. Let them know you are not happy with what is going on. If enough people become active, they might change, although I seriously doubt it. They are too entrenched in Washington and could care less about their constituency. I did once get a reply from a congressional staffer, Probably some 15 year old that Foley missed, the reply to my e-mail did not make any sense and my reply to that didn't get a reply. I think they random pick like one out of thousands to respond to and the rest go in the trash, and the actual congressman never sees them. The only thing that works is snail mail, as that piles up physically and is harder to ignore, whearas email can be deleted by the touch of a button. So write your congressman and spend the 40+cents, the postal service needs the money. Lets start with STOP THIS FUCKING WAR NOW!

ViRedd · Feb 3, 2007

So, now we have the Democrats in power ... and what is the very first thing on their agenda? They have bundled up a RECORD spending proposal. Stay tuned ... the budget deficit is gonna go through the roof. Next thing on the agenda will be to raise taxes in order to pay for it. After that, we can expect the economy to bust. And after that ... we can expect the Democrats to blame it on Bush.

Vi

medicineman · Feb 3, 2007

we can expect the Democrats to blame it on Bush.
The only answer to bushs' war spending is to raise taxes, yes the Democrats can count and the way to financial solvency is to take in as much as you spend. the tax cuts for the rich have obliterated the surplus Bush had when he assumed office and he continues to spend like a drunken sailor. We must stop the war and get back the tax money from the mega rich. only then can we begin to bring the budget under control. So hell yeah the Democrats can blame it on Bush, He started this needless war and gave all the rich back 90% of their tax money, who else is to blame?

ViRedd · Feb 3, 2007

"the tax cuts for the rich have obliterated the surplus Bush had when he assumed office..."

You are wrong ... wrong and wrong some more old Kool Aid drinker.

The tax cuts were for anyone who paid taxes, in direct proportion to the taxes paid. Therefore, the higher income earners got a larger percentage than middle income earners. The destitute got nothing from the tax cuts because they paid no taxes. So, your "Tax Cuts For The Rich" statement is nothing more than DNC talking points. Down some more Kool-Aid Med. *lol*

The so-called surplus left by the Clintonistas was not a surplus at all ... but nothing more than creative accounting. Prove me wrong on this if you can.

We've had some suprise expenses during the Bush administration ... The Iraq war, Katrina and 9-11. The tax increases have cut the deficit in half ... prove me wrong on this also if you can.

Remember, "feelings" are not proof. Show me some facts to back up your delusions.

Vi

medicineman · Feb 3, 2007

Remember, I'm not into "feelings" for they are not proof. Show me some facts to back up your delusions.

Vi where are your facts the deficit has been cut in half, I told you they didn't allow for the war spending, 350 billion supplementals. that is some Bush creative budget analysis. Prove me wrong on this, and I'll get on with your dictates. Man, I'll bet you were a prick to work for!

ViRedd · Feb 3, 2007

Man, I'll bet you were a prick to work for!

Yep, I was ... but only to those who thought the company owed them a living. I expected exactly a dollars worth of work for a dollar's pay. Even though I've been out of management for over 30 years, I STILL have some of my old guys stop by from time to time. They knew I wasn't there to win a popularity contest. And ... if you survived as one of "My Guys," you could hold your head up high. You were known as a hard worker, an honest person and a real ball buster. If you survived as one of my guys, you could depend upon me to back you to the hilt. I admit, not everyone could work for me, and the reason was, the other guys wouldn't allow it. The standards were set WAY too high for most to survive. Those who DID survive were of a different breed. Kind of like the Marine Corps Med ... only a few good men.

Vi

medicineman · Feb 4, 2007

ViRedd said:
Man, I'll bet you were a prick to work for!

Yep, I was ... but only to those who thought the company owed them a living. I expected exactly a dollars worth of work for a dollar's pay. Even though I've been out of management for over 30 years, I STILL have some of my old guys stop by from time to time. They knew I wasn't there to win a popularity contest. And ... if you survived as one of "My Guys," you could hold your head up high. You were known as a hard worker, an honest person and a real ball buster. If you survived as one of my guys, you could depend upon me to back you to the hilt. I admit, not everyone could work for me, and the reason was, the other guys wouldn't allow it. The standards were set WAY too high for most to survive. Those who DID survive were of a different breed. Kind of like the Marine Corps Med ... only a few good men.

Vi

Hey a prick is a prick, there are varying degrees of prickdom and you have placed yourself on the top shelf, congratulations, now on to the question Mr. empty well I, what about the supplementals in the bushwhacked budget?

ViRedd · Feb 4, 2007

Ahh ... I didn't figure that a Union Guy would get anything out of my last post. <sheesh!>

Vi

medicineman · Feb 4, 2007

ViRedd said:
Ahh ... I didn't figure that a Union Guy would get anything out of my last post. <sheesh!>

Vi

There's the empty well response that you so cowardly layed on me. Prove the deficit has been reduced one fucking penny by Bush, Bullshit!

7xstall · Feb 5, 2007

"The Clinton administration reported a surplus of $559 billion in its final four budget years. The audited numbers showed a deficit of $484 billion."

talk about "creative budget analysis"...

from: USATODAY.com

don't worry med, between Bush and Clinton only one of them is a documented compulsive liar.

medicineman · Feb 5, 2007

7xstall said:
"The Clinton administration reported a surplus of $559 billion in its final four budget years. The audited numbers showed a deficit of $484 billion."

talk about "creative budget analysis"...

from: USATODAY.comSo far, and lying about a blowjob is a natural thing (maybe you wouildn't know about those things) But lying about national security and taking the country to war under false pretenses is another!

don't worry med, between Bush and Clinton only one of them is a documented compulsive liar.

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7xstall · Feb 5, 2007

lol

sexual harrasment, over and over again, cheating on the wife, over and over again, evading taxes while governor and allowing my corrupted wife to launder money on real-estate deals, lying in court and having friends/associates commit suicide when cops ask questions? no, i have no clue about that stuff med...

the deficit is going down, it's a fact.

medicineman · Feb 5, 2007

7xstall said:
lol

sexual harrasment, over and over again, cheating on the wife, over and over again, evading taxes while governor and allowing my corrupted wife to launder money on real-estate deals, lying in court and having friends/associates commit suicide when cops ask questions? no, i have no clue about that stuff med...

the deficit is going down, it's a fact.

Prove it! and don't leave out the supplementals like Bush does!

7xstall · Feb 5, 2007

ok, let me get back to you after i meet with key members of the cabinet and some of the budget committees...

like i said, you basked in the glory of the words of a proven compulsive liar but when a man who keeps his word tells you something you doubt... this cynical view must be what drives you to your boredom, always thinking that everything will be the worst it can be.

medicineman · Feb 5, 2007

7xstall said:
ok, let me get back to you after i meet with key members of the cabinet and some of the budget committees...

like i said, you basked in the glory of the words of a proven compulsive liar but when a man who keeps his word tells you something you doubt... this cynical view must be what drives you to your boredom, always thinking that everything will be the worst it can be.

Same old double talk, pure unadulterated bullshit. you are always asking me to prove my posts, but you are exempt, figures, a no nothing blowhard!

7xstall · Feb 5, 2007

i can't prove it, you know i can't...but whose word has more weight?

tax revenue is up so deficit shrinks.

those supplementals are all in the budget anyway, they are all counted in the published figure. what makes you think they aren't in there?

trade deficit is growing though, maybe we should put higher tarrifs on imports...that would bring in some $$$$$

medicineman · Feb 5, 2007

tax revenue is up so deficit shrinks. :smile:

those supplementals are all in the budget anyway, they are all counted in the published figure. what makes you think they aren't in there?

I saw it on C-span. They were intentionally left out for the purpose of lying to the American people like so many other lies this administration has perpetrated. I watch the senate and house workings regularly, you never know what those asshole will do next, sometimes like this budget lie, you actually learn something, maybe you should watch a little more. Now on to the Clinton impeachment. The special prosecutor could find no illegal doings on Whitewater, so the vicious Republicans prompted him to go after the Luinsky thing. Now every red blooded American male that ever got a Blowjob from someone other than his wife would naturally lie about it, I would and unless you're a bigger liar than Dubya, you would also. That is what got him impeached. He should have gotten a medal, to get a blowjob from a 21 year old intern, priceless. As far as the suicide thing, to suggest a sitting president had someone murdered is scandalous. Your pride and joy, Dubya, is responsible for thousands of un-necessary deaths. And the sexual harassment suits, were a he said-she said thing that he just paid off to go away. I'm sure most of us (maybe not you're proper ass) could have been guilty of that at some time in our lives.

7xstall · Feb 5, 2007

lol i don't think you can publish a number and then publish how you didn't publish the number, not a good way to trick people is it?

yeah, clinton, what a guy.. commander in chief leaves his best troops to die in Somalia..don't want to upset anyone by sending in help even though there were a couple hundred troops right there waiting. he notifies pakistan that he is sending a missile at bin laden a few hours in advance; "can we borrow your airspace to kill a terrorist or at least make some good front page reports with our effort?" lies in budget reports more than Jeff Skilling. sends ATF, IRS to storm citizens property in record numbers. expands police powers and stokes the drug war flames at home reaching record numbers of non-violent drug incarcerations...i did not inhale...lol instead of dealing with the people who blew up the trade center in 93 and the Cole he was playing hide the cigar in an intern's ass. yep, he needs a medal all right. and hell yes i've pissed off some women but what kind of fool would do stuff like that while gov or pres?? guess when you have a wife like that can't really blame him but still, atleast hire the ones who wear little skirts and you KNOW won't tell anyone!!

medicineman · Feb 5, 2007

lol i don't think you can publish a number and then publish how you didn't publish the number, not a good way to trick people is it?
WTF does this mean, publish and not publish. He fucking lied about the supplementals being part of the budget, what don't you get? You need to get out more, You must be hiding in some republican closet, watch out for the Gay ones!

7xstall · Feb 5, 2007

i must not understand what you said. cspan put the number out and said this number is not in the deficit number?

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