almost 3 weeks in questions.

MY plants are now 17-19 days old and they either have a phosohorus defiecency or i need to transplant? Will the brittle roots of a 3 week old plant peirce through 1/3 cm of jiffy pot? anyone knows if i could just put the pot in earth to reduce risk of stress?
Earth: 3in1 lightway
Lighting: 5 tubes of 750 lumens (soon to replace them with cfls)
Watering schedule: i water once every 2 days. if it gets too dry and droopy ill water the next day.
am i missing any info... if i do tell me and heres a pic...
(its looking little orang-purplish) dried up basicly.

well if those are the pots there in at 3 weeks your lucky they are alive they are stunted and bound for sure.Also use 4 foot florescent tubes as cfls suck

19 days old?!! got to be rootbound those things should be bigger by now i would transplant asap and get some good lighting in there 750 lumens is nothing you need more.....more....more i say!! lol id go with filthyfletch on this one if your gonna use flourescent lighting go with the 4 foot tubes very cheap and they will get the job, of course if you want to play with the big boys you gotta have the big toys, mh and hps lights are the best..........iMo of course

Im planning on switching to 4 23watt cfls for side lighting and 4 40 watt cfls(2600 lumens each-the big ones)

The Big ones? Those are al tiny house cfl bulbs. The biggest local hardware store have are 65 actual watt bulb s which are about 8 inches long.Big cfls are actual 150 or 250 watt bulbs which have the U shaped tubes and equal light output of 400 watt hps light they run about $90 a piece.Anything smaller is a waste of time and will just slow your grow by a month or so and leave you made with you 20 grams that cost you more to grow then just buying good midis

beleive me there not tiny. i bought then 14$ each there quite big i find. if other people can pull it out with less than what i got ill probly do better. all i want is a straight answer i hate smartass comments.

Well not sure what you consider smartass remarks but yours was.But as you were being told smartass.The cfl is a bad light which stunts the growth and the jiffy pots lock the roots and hold to much moisture so the answer straight forward and non smart is to your problemis inexpirence poor lighting to much moisture and the jiffy pots are a number 1 non no so take what you want from it and keep learning.

See my thread.
I just posted some pics at the end yesterday.
https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/12305-3-out-seven-killed-drive-4.html

CFL's will work.
They are great for beginers.

Once you are succesful with cfl's you should do very well with hps.


This was grown under 42 w cfl's.
It is about 4-5 weeks from harvest.

FilthyFletch said:

The cfl is a bad light which stunts the growth

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Rubbish.

FilthyFletch said:

so the answer straight forward and non smart is to your problemis inexpirence poor lighting

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Rubbish.

I have 2 42w cfl's over her and she will finish flower like that.

She was the clone mom.
I have 8 other plants flowering that are under 3 more 42 w cfl's with 4 x 21" 15w gro light's for side upper side lighting.

I like to tilt them so they are at the side but mainly shining on the tops from an angle on the side.
Of course since they are tilted at angles they shine down the sides of the plants also.

however, more light = more bud will always be true.

LOL Babtgro if you can say with a straight face that cfls dont grow slower then a HID light then anything else you post should just be considered retarded.Do a simple at home grow a couple little cfls vs 1 400 watt hps and you come back and tell me which was the slow smaller plant

FilthyFletch said:

LOL Babtgro if you can say with a straight face that cfls dont grow slower then a HID light then anything else you post should just be considered retarded.

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If you give a plant insufficient light, you won't get optimum growth rates - regardless of whether the light happens to be a CFL, linear fluorescent, HPS or MH.

If someone doesn't understand the light requirements of their plants, regardless of whether they're using a CFL, linear fluorescent, MH or HPS, you won't get optimum growth rates.

The problem with you is, you blame CFL's when the problem is with the people using them.

FilthyFletch said:

Do a simple at home grow a couple little cfls vs 1 400 watt hps and you come back and tell me which was the slow smaller plant

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I don't need to do any tests to prove what I've just said.

midgradeindasouth said:

however, more light = more bud will always be true.

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Only if the person doing the growing knows what they're doing.

An experienced grower using cfl's or linear fluorescents will probably get a better yield than a numpty using a HPS.

Light is only one part of the yield equation - there's plenty of others.

I knew he was partly wrong, i see people grow wicked sweet plants with cfls. and my plants are now reganing their health and getting like twice as bigger in 3 days then they ever grew... there was so many roots packed in there. i feel bad for them... next time ill grow the directly into a 1 gallon pot. then 3 and so on. thanks for the help guys baby gro that deserve rep points

Ok lets simplify it as babygro obviously either works for the cfl makers or is blowing 1.When I say use hps light as cfl sucks I am saying,...now follow me.per square foot your yield will be greater if you use 1 400 watt hps hid light then 6 smaller cfl light bulbs.I also imply this to my comment of cfls suck to the fact that with an hps light the difference in the bud density and mass will by far out do a smaller cfl grow.I also have stated in my other posts that you can grow nice plants with cfls if you buy the correct bulbs which are the larger 150-250 actual wattage cfls.These bulbs are large 18 inches in length and cost about $85 each without reflector so you would need a couple to equal the area coverage of a single 400 watt hps light so that comes to my point of hps setup actually being cheaper as a new 400 watt digtal switchable ballast is only $99 and then $29.99 for a lightwave reflector.Now that being said.As far as heat Myself an others who have played with cfls all seem to independently find that multiple cfls in a small are will raise temps just as much if not more then a single 400 watt light.The cost to run a single digital ballast for 24 hours a day all month adds about $20 to your electric bill yes more then running 6 smaller cfls but without fail you will yield more.Now as far as variables if you dont know how to fertilize or feed a plant either way cfl of hps you have that same issue.Lighting is 1 factor but indeed is a large factor in plant development.Color, lumnes output, and area coverage are all gonna be affected by that single choice.I make my comments based on the 100s of comments of new growers who dont even know about cfl color differences or lumne output.Its just easier and simpler to use a single 400 watt light setup and is actually cheaper to buy but you do have a slight increase in our electric but I also explain if you use the cfls to replace your home light bulbs the money saved there will offset the $25-30 electric increase from a single hps setup.Now Im game to take a challenge from anyone who wants to grow cfl setups of 4 plants against me growing 4 plants in soil non the less under my 1 400 watt hps light.Rules would be you can use 8 cfl 42 watt bulbs and Ill use 1 400 watt bulb.Winner is based on dry harvest weight, bud density, and finish time.You can choose any strain youd like and Ill use 1 I have.Im willing to bet $100 or 1 brand new 400 watt digital ballast.Pictures must be updated every 3 days a sign with FF in the picture and dated and I will do the same with challenegers Screen name.We start 2 threads as journels.Weights must be shown on digital scales clearly showing no tampering.Im confident so like I said make your cfl point and take the bet if anyone can honestly prove thier point cfls are not inferior to a hps setup.