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Al B. Fuct

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OK. I can find lots of 35% H2O2. But it seems damn difficult...and pricey to get the 50% solution. Even from chemical supply places I found prices like $140.00 for 500ml of stabilized 50% H2O2 solution.
I get 25L of 50% for $125. You may not be inquiring about a large enough qty to get a decent price. In any event, you should avoid the stabilised type.

Any references to your vendor would be appreciated. Otherwise I will continue to use the 35% stuff that I am able to find.
I get it from Consolidated Chemical Co, but they are in Australia.

35% is perfectly fine! Just use it at 1.7ml/L instead of 1ml/L.

What I mean is if I do not raise my light each day to let it grow taller would this hurt it in any way? Its been touching my fluros for about 4 days, I was going to let the inernoid catch up.
OMFG, not THE INERNOID!! They're vicious, those inernoids!! Don't let it catch up! :lol: hahahah

Do raise the lamp, she'll be right.

If raised for a long time under fluoros, it may get leggy on you (if the inernoid doesn't get to it first! ;)). Get it under some HPS or MH lighting, depending on what you intend for this plant, fairly soon.
 

Al B. Fuct

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My first question is....That should work, right? Rather than the 4 resevoir set-up for wks 1-2, 3-4. 5-6, etc
yep, should be OK. It's good to have an independent tank to handle wk6-8 plants so you can dose them in wk 6 (only) with a P&K flowering additive.

Second Question-Is it normal for seed grown plants to stretch a fair bit 7-8cm prior to stopping and putting out true sets of leaves.

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I should let you know seeds were germinated directly from the starter plugs (instead of paper towel-to plug-could that be the difference?)

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The seedlings have been growing true sets of leaves for 5 days now and many are starting third sets. (At this point there is no further stretching taking place and growth looks dense and healthy just hoping the initial stretch is not going to lead to excessive height.
No, not terribly normal. I suspect your starter plugs might have been too wet. It's OK, they seem to have gotten through well enough that they are now more developed and able to remove enough water from their medium to have sufficient oxygenation for the roots. Things should pick up as per normal from here on out. I don't expect any stretch later on from this event. H2O2 is useful for promoting healthy roots in very young plants.

I am using a quality grow formula at 45% strength and a 25% dose of fulvic acid and a drop of superthrive/4liters.
What's fulvic acid supposed to accomplish?

I've used superthrive before but couldn't discern any benefit which justifies the truly nutty price of the stuff.

Ph is maintained at 5.5-5.6
Too low, shoot for 5.8 +/- 0.1. You'll have lockout probs at 5.5.



a light dose of hydroguard has also been added
What's in Hydroguard? Is that H2O2? I don't know these things by their brand names.

I don't see H2O2 among your list. You should be applying 50% grade H2O2 @ 1ml/L every 3-4 days to keep the grow and nutes free of pathogens.

All sounds well researched and very ambitious. Hope you go well, ask anytime if things are not happening for you. :)
 

Old in the Way

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OOOOHHH YAAAA...(i'm such a stoner)
One more question...for now
Yeild???
Always the million dollar question. Based on your figures of 23-28oz/every 2wks off a 4x4 tray under a shared 1kw HPS I have to figure 3-3.5lbs every 19-20 days on a 8x4 tray under a dedicated 1kw HPS on a light rail-was shooting for 11-12lbs/every 2 months. Does that seem possible?? Again working with the assumption that i either know what i am doing or have studied the science to the point of being able to apply it.;-)

Thanks again.
 

Old in the Way

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The 3rd res is the 6wk-maturity resevoir so i should be able to accomplish the final feeding as suggested.

"Fulvic acid is a biologically active acid that occurs naturally in rich soils from the action of beneficial microbes. Contains 70+ trace elements and minerals in natural form. Enhances nut uptake, promotes growth, increases disease resistance."

Seems like a little mother nature love in an otherwise synthetic environment. Alot like a super thrive product. Highly recommended from the shop-not nearly as pricey.

Yes the hydroguard is a brand name h2o2 product from botanicare and has been added.

Overly wet plugs was likely the cause of initial stretching.
Good call! Sometimes you have to step back to see the simplest answers.
Thanks for the input.

Ambitious yes, but very managable.
I am sure you will be kept up on the ops performance if you don't mind dealing with the brunt of my queries.
 

Chumlie

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Al what I'm trying to do is get all mums, but I have heard that most newbies grow males most of the time. Yet I'm going to stay postive. I'm pretty sure that three of them are indicas and one's a sativa. The only reason I'm growing them under fluros is cuz my hps is for flowering area, and I wanted to seperated the sections; plus I wanted to save money on my electricity for more flower power:bigjoint:
 

drgreenGMX

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ALB what do you think the reason is behind so many people flushing?
I see you feel its not needed and some other growers comments seem to back it up, but so many speak of thse chemy tasting buds etc... what do you think the reasons for these are? old wives tail?
 

Chumlie

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Im going to do flushing for now because I don't have PPm meter are tds meter, I've been trying to see if my Ph meter even works correct. Im going to stop flushing soon as I get one.
I have lot of things on my wish list.
Sorry Al for taking up space.
 

grandpabear3

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here is my hps that i blew due to hot starting...the hydro guy was telling me about a soft start thingy....can i make one of these/do i need one?



here's a shot of my freshly ...end of the third week...s.o.g. pruned beauties ...16 of them staggered. i'm still workin out which mums the bees knees



wide shot of the flower room....big ones in day 24 of flower and the 2nd batch went in late due to cloner issues. you can see the carnage in the bottom of table 4.

i had to force myself to go back over them a second time to really take it off......it was painfull, but i'm over it. and i think i'll be happy when i see the results.

just an update for ya al.....all of it was thanks to your tutulage.
 

corral hollow kid

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you should avoid the stabilised type.

35% is perfectly fine! Just use it at 1.7ml/L instead of 1ml/L.
I will avoid the stabilized type. Thank you.

I was just told there is a stop sale on 35% H2O2 stuff in California right now. Who knows...soon it may not be available here in CA! Damn EPA.

I added a good air pump, some 4" disc stones, and a small fountain pump to keep the solution circulating in my reservoir. My water does not stink any more and it is crystal clear!!! Hopefully the plants will recover soon. (Ionic Grow nutes, H2O2, ec 1.4, pH 5.7 and holding!)

Do I need to keep the air and circulating pump on 24/7? or can I set it on a timer?

One more quick question...how often should I reapply the H2O2 to the reservoir?

Thanks again Al...you're a life saver!!!


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fshields1

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a while ago i asked a question about my clones that came from a mature plant that hadn't see any thing but 24/0, once i put the clones into 12/12 they went through the normal growth spurt but the blades of the leaves went from 7 down to 1 single blade.so far every thing looks ok, but you asked for some pics so here they are
 

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Al B. Fuct

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Al, what are your thoughts on the Mr. Green youtube serious about the ebb & flow and drop system that he uses?

YouTube - How to Grow Green
The numbering of the vids on YT is a bit wonky, so I have only seen a couple and very out of sequence.

While this is one of the better cannabis growing vids, lots of good basics, I'm not overly fond of this grower's drip feeding of rockwool, particularly with seedlings in them. Seedlings should be hand watered until they have quite a lot of roots. Top wetting RW invariably creates a thick green slime of algae on the media tops. I thought he was going to flood them as he had flood trays. I bet he wished he'd rinsed the dust off his clay pellets before potting up with them. There'll be mud in his tray drain channels & rez. I think he allocates far too much space to a vegging area. If he had a 10ft wide space, he could have given only 1ft wide on the end to mums and use the rest for flowering trays.

Like I said, what I've seen of the series is generally good stuff. I'd only change a few things here & there to make it a bit more efficient & productive.

OOOOHHH YAAAA...(i'm such a stoner)
One more question...for now
Yeild???
Your first few crops won't be as good as your later ones. Be happy if you're getting .5z off each plant, around .5g/watt. Once you dial it in and get practised, it should come up to 1-1.25z/ea.

"Fulvic acid is a biologically active acid
I've done some looking about and haven't found any good peer-reviewed botanical science on this one. It seems a bit magic saucey.
Yes the hydroguard is a brand name h2o2 product from botanicare and has been added.
but wait...

\x0D sez...

Excerpt from Botanicare : Product Overview : Nutrients :

"HYDROGUARD™ product composition: Bacillus subtilis, Paenibacillus polymxa, Bacillus circulans, and Bacillus amyloliquefaciens. The guaranteed analysis is:CFU/Gram 1.7E x10 6."

I doubt these guys are going to be swimming around in h202...
And he's quite right. Hydroguard is an organic anti-pathogenic which employs competing, living microorganisms. It's not only not H2O2, H2O2 will instantly nuke whatever is in Hydroguard. Hydroguard might be a good antipathogen choice for organic nutes, but frankly, I have this firm belief in chemistry and only want ONE organism in my op- cannabis plants. Hydroguard also will not oxygenate roots.

Overly wet plugs was likely the cause of initial stretching.
Good call! Sometimes you have to step back to see the simplest answers.
Thanks for the input.
ah, good, hoping my growdar was still functioning. :D
Ambitious yes, but very managable.
I am sure you will be kept up on the ops performance if you don't mind dealing with the brunt of my queries.
cool, hope to see more. :)

Al what I'm trying to do is get all mums, but I have heard that most newbies grow males most of the time.
The DNA doesn't care about your growing CV. The M/F ratio is in the DNA and the avg is 50%. Good luck. :)

ALB what do you think the reason is behind so many people flushing?
Beats the shit out of me. It won't hurt anything if you do it, even major nute makers like Canna (and I use Canna nutes) suggest doing it. I can't detect any difference in smoking character either way.

here is my hps that i blew due to hot starting...the hydro guy was telling me about a soft start thingy....can i make one of these/do i need one?
If you are having frequent short power interruptions, what you need is some sort of device to prevent the lamp from restriking for several minutes, perhaps 10-15m once power is restored. I'm not sure 'soft starting' is what we're looking for here. You need a delay circuit that prevents hot restrike.

here's a shot of my freshly ...end of the third week...s.o.g. pruned beauties ...16 of them staggered. i'm still workin out which mums the bees knees
Wow, they're a bit tall! Did those get some veg time before they were flowered?

i had to force myself to go back over them a second time to really take it off......it was painfull, but i'm over it. and i think i'll be happy when i see the results.

just an update for ya al.....all of it was thanks to your tutulage.
We'll see how she goes.:)

I will avoid the stabilized type. Thank you.

I was just told there is a stop sale on 35% H2O2 stuff in California right now. Who knows...soon it may not be available here in CA! Damn EPA.
Someone floated that rumour with me on here some time ago. I was not able to find any news items on a ban in Calif. I was able to find 35% H2O2 on the shelf at 4 hydro shops in LA. I can't find any substance in that rumour right now.

I added a good air pump, some 4" disc stones, and a small fountain pump to keep the solution circulating in my reservoir. My water does not stink any more and it is crystal clear!!! Hopefully the plants will recover soon. (Ionic Grow nutes, H2O2, ec 1.4, pH 5.7 and holding!)
dynamite. :)

Do I need to keep the air and circulating pump on 24/7? or can I set it on a timer?
tank aeration should run 24/7.

I'd run the circ pump on a timer 15 mins/hr. The flooding & draining of your system will mix them pretty well, tho. Keep in mind that a constantly running pump in your tank may warm the tank temp.

One more quick question...how often should I reapply the H2O2 to the reservoir?
35% is used at 1.7ml/L every 3-4 days, 50% @ 1ml/L same interval.

Thanks again Al...you're a life saver!!!
I bet the big hole in the middle of me was a dead giveaway. ;)

the blades of the leaves went from 7 down to 1 single blade.
Ah, ok, it's just shifting into flowering is all, no biggie. Nice looking indica dom hybrid. About 3 wks flowering pictured here?
 

grandpabear3

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here is my hps that i blew due to hot starting...the hydro guy was telling me about a soft start thingy....can i make one of these/do i need one?

If you are having frequent short power interruptions, what you need is some sort of device to prevent the lamp from restriking for several minutes, perhaps 10-15m once power is restored. I'm not sure 'soft starting' is what we're looking for here. You need a delay circuit that prevents hot restrike.


well i guess i'll start workin on that next

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here's a shot of my freshly ...end of the third week...s.o.g. pruned beauties ...16 of them staggered. i'm still workin out which mums the bees knees
Wow, they're a bit tall! Did those get some veg time before they were flowered?

no flowering at all but the light was about 4 feet above the table....:dunce:

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i had to force myself to go back over them a second time to really take it off......it was painfull, but i'm over it. and i think i'll be happy when i see the results.

just an update for ya al.....all of it was thanks to your tutulage.
We'll see how she goes.:smile:

i think i'm gettin back on track.
 

grandpabear3

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Thanks again Al...you're a life saver!!!
I bet the big hole in the middle of me was a dead giveaway. :wink:

too damn funny....i almost peed
 

archie6214

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Hey Al, I'm still working on raising my mums. I'm getting ready to take clones to determine which are female. My question is it ok to to put them under flouresccent lighting @ 12/12 to get them to show sex?
 

Phinxter

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Al B. I am going to go hydro on my next grow which will be in about 9 weeks give or take.
what i am thinking as my plan is to get a 30 site EZ clone and a 3' X 3' econo 1 ebb and flow setup.

as well a 24 site insert for the ebb and flow table as seen here Netwell Insert for 3’ x 3’ Trays Accepts 24 - 5½'' Heavy Duty Net Pots

since i will be cloning with only neoprene collars am i right to assume that i can then use only hydroton or similar in my 5.5 diameter net pots ?
there by eliminating the need for rockwool or equivalent helping avoid overwatering ?

or do you recommend using some rockwool like substance to help retain water ?
and if you recommend rockwool or some equivalent, do you recommend i use it in the cloning process as well as in the ebb and flow tray?
thanks in advance Al. you rock

PS tried to +rep you in advance but apparently i was stoned off my ass and did it before cuz it says i need to spread the love before i +rep you again.
lol i know you dont play the +rep game alot as you say but you deserve it ... only wish i could +rep you for every great bit of advice ive taken from you.
 

VictorVIcious

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Thanx for the measurements. This one is going to by 760mm wide and 610mm across. I bought a piece of aluminum angle with the holes already in it and attached that to the 's' strips a few adjustments will still have to be made, it is taking shape. VV
 

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Old in the Way

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Hey Al,
Thanks again for the ongoing dialogue with everyone here.

My yeild question-Does that mean .5g/total watts in flower room or .5g per watt over the harvested tray. (i have 3kw in room and harvesting 1kw at a time, as i think you know) Again i feel confident in my floriculture skills and to be honest would be a bit disappointed with 500 grams from a 3.5 square meter tray. I am growing "heavier yielders" according to the breeder descriptions-many of whom make claims as to g/m2 in sog. I realize this would be a best case scenario as i am no breeder and they have long since mastered many of the conditions needed.

What are the pitfalls i face that will imact yeild so severely? What can I be doing now to ensure i don't end up with 1/3rd the efficiency per watt that you are seeing? Would you mind if posting your recipes for your flower room resevoirs when you have enough time?
(I should be starting to flower my test ladies in about 3-4 weeks so no hurry there.)


Hydroguard-Yes indeed is right on the hydroguard, not h202. i have spoken to the hydro shop i use about 350km from here and indeed it is what they offer as a sub. I am in an area where i should have no problem sourcing the real stuff thanks to the med community but i dont use the local hydro shop as it is in a high profile univesity location. I do have 2 airstones in each res and it is a top drip system using hydroton (expanded clay pellets) for the medium and is on a 2hr on 2hr off timer for the drip.

Will those methods and the use of airstones assist in oxiginating my roots?
Is that sufficient till i source the h2o2?

As to the magic saucey factor of the fulvic acid-i agree, it would seem the hard science is missing and while i do not like that from a control perspective i am a believer in a little mother nature luv-and figure it can't hurt. I have seen it in the recipes of some large ops and it is not cost prohibitive to use on a regular basis. I will run a batch without to see if there is any discernable difference.

I will post some pics when there is something besides 47 seedlings to take pics of.

One last question.

Do you use a proxy server that specializes in privacy and anonimity for your communications on here or similar threads? Or do you just roll straight up. Before i post any pics or such i wwould like to know more about the safety of such open forums.

Thanks again mate.

:bigjoint:
 
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