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grandpabear3

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no worries. I would have expected more than a month out of the thing too, but 15-20 hot-starts on the tube would be enough to make it very unhappy.

Can't find one just this instant, but I think I have seen devices intended for use with aircon units which prevent power from being re-applied immediately after a power fail, rather holds power off for about 5 mins minimum when it comes back on. I'll keep an eye out for them, just for you.

:peace: that sounds really cool....if you figure sumthin out lemme know...i'll go buy it.

got a brand new never before in the history of rollitup asked of albfuct question.....ready?
wait for it.......
ok this hps bulb i'm after....is a bulb a bulb? any at yeolde hydro shop will do , or is there a type i need to buy, i.e. brand name and so forth.....i just found out there aint just one ya know!!:mrgreen:
thanks for your time:blsmoke:
 

Kaosisglobal

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no worries. I would have expected more than a month out of the thing too, but 15-20 hot-starts on the tube would be enough to make it very unhappy.

Can't find one just this instant, but I think I have seen devices intended for use with aircon units which prevent power from being re-applied immediately after a power fail, rather holds power off for about 5 mins minimum when it comes back on. I'll keep an eye out for them, just for you.

:peace: that sounds really cool....if you figure sumthin out lemme know...i'll go buy it.

got a brand new never before in the history of rollitup asked of albfuct question.....ready?
wait for it.......
ok this hps bulb i'm after....is a bulb a bulb? any at yeolde hydro shop will do , or is there a type i need to buy, i.e. brand name and so forth.....i just found out there aint just one ya know!!:mrgreen:
thanks for your time:blsmoke:
I am tuned in for the answer to this.

Bulbs.com sells very cheapo bulbs, but I don't believe they are "Horticulture Grade"

Al waiting to hear what you say. If there is really any difference between a 400w High Pressure Sodium Bulb ($10 bucks), and a 400W Hortilux ($60).
 

Al B. Fuct

once had a dog named
This is a repost of a batch of queries posted as a comment to an image in my gallery. While I don't mind comments on images, those are not widely read. The readership figures on this thread are stunning, 11,600+ reads in the last 30 days as of this writing, averaging 386 reads per day and rising fast, it was averaging 350 reads/day only a few days ago.

If you have queries, it's easier for me to keep track of them here in the FAQt thread and more people see the queries & responses, hopefully answering other folks' questions before they even need to ask them. :)

Big ass clones
08-30-2008 04:53 AM

Whats your ppm on your tap?do you let it sit to evap.the chlorine?i m using ro water on this grow and not seeing any diff.ANY THING you have to do to get the big clones going? im doing your get a harvest every 2 weeks and want to get some big ass clones to start with what temp is best im trying to keep mine in upper 80s and they seem to grow faster than lower temps was cloning at 70 to 75?By the way thank you im loving getting 4 plants and 8ozs everymonth.

Last edited by SOMEBEECH : 08-29-2008 at 07:29 PM
My tapwater is pretty soft, about 140-300ppm out of the tap. Most of that is caused by Ca & Mg, which the plants can use as nutrients, so it doesn't bother me. I know this as a result of consulting the water analysis data from my local water utility. Your water util may publish the same, check their website. They almost surely will provide this data for free even if they don't have it on their website, just give them a call.

If the water out of your tap has a bit of electrical conductivity (EC), find out from the water quality data whether that EC is caused by generally helpful/harmless (in usual municipal water concentration) minerals like Ca & Mg or by something which SHOULD worry you- salinity (NaCl). If your tapwater has high salinity, RO is a good idea, but otherwise it's not really necessary.

Since I want a nute strength of 1400ppm for my flowering plants, I measure my tapwater EC and subtract that number from the TDS (total dissolved salts/solid) reading for a mixed batch. In example, if my tapwater today is 200ppm and I want 1400ppm of nute strength, I mix for 1600.

pH is always 5.8. Usually, the pH buffers included in my nutes will correct my tapwater pH to 5.8 or 5.9 without me adding any pHDown. Sometimes after very heavy rains, pathogens are washed out of the catchments and into the reservoirs, so the water util treats a bit more strongly, which can bump up the pH. In that case, I may have to put 15-20ml of pHDown in each 125L tank after mixing in the nutes.

Chlorination in the levels as commonly applied by modern water treatment plants is not only harmless to plants (and people), but it is in fact the grower's frined. Chlorination will keep water free of pathogens int he pipes while it is on the way to you as well as for a couple of days in an open tank, until the stuff evaporates from solution. After then, you have to use a pathogen suppressor like H2O2 to prevent your yummy nutrient soup from being a happy home to any passing algae, mould or fungus spores.

SoG does not allow any veg time for clones post setting root, so big clones help make big plants faster.



Thicker stemmed cuttings outperform thinner ones. The stack on the left all have stems of about 4mm or less. The stack on the right all are over 5.5mm. If there's any tricks here, that's a good one.



My clonebox air temp is held to 30C by a small muffin fan exhausting the box (located upper left of the back wall) and controlled by a thermostat (not seen in this pic, located also on the back wall, at plant level). A heat mat is especially helpful for speeding along clone rooting. Mine is a fixed 30C mat, moulded in silicone rubber. It's been running continuously for about 8 years.

Glad your happy with your 8oz/mo output off 4 harvested plants. I think you can do better than 0.5z per, though. I get 1-1.25z per plant under 1000HPS lights.

Ok here's a newbie Q. Does the dissolved O2 concentration matter with a flood drain? The roots are not in water most of the time.
It does matter. More O2 to the roots increases vigor. This is why I run air pumps and bubble curtains in each tank and dose the tanks with 50% grade H202 @ 1ml/L every 3-4 days. Since clay pellet media holds almost no water, it can be flooded frequently, starting with 5x/lights-on, bathing the roots in freshly oxygenated solution as much as possible. However, also since it holds next to no water, pellets don't offer much backup water storage in case of a pump failure. Highly absorbent media like rockwool does not permit frequent flooding. However, I used pots of RW floc for years because I'm a stoned slacker and I wanted to be able to skip looking in on the op for a day if I get a slack attack. It could only be watered 1x/day though, limiting the amt of oxygenated nutes I could flow through my roots. I have since changed to Fytocell, which has about a 37% air content and can be flooded more frequently. I now flood small plants in wks 1-2 of flowering 2x/lights-on and larger plants (wk3 on) 3x/lights-on in Fytocell.

Wouldn't roots use nutes and O2 when available?
Yep!

this hps bulb i'm after....is a bulb a bulb? any at yeolde hydro shop will do , or is there a type i need to buy, i.e. brand name and so forth.....i just found out there aint just one ya know!!
When you pay more for a lamp, you're getting a lamp that probably meets its luminous output spec when you buy it and chances are the lamp will make a higher average output over its service life. I use GE Lucagrow HPS tubes. I've tried some cheap no-name Chinese HPS tubes that certainly lit up but didn't meet the luminous output spec. Looked pretty bright but I wouldn't have known it was as dim as an 18 month old Lucagrow without measuring it with a lux meter.
 

saine420

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How often do your run your bulbs before you replace, or do you let them die out? I need to get a lux meter...
 

toast master

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Hey Al from the looks of it your a little bizzy.... but since you mentioned it , is there any reason why you cant subsitute chlorination for h202.. just wondering if one could get buy with it instead . Local hydro shop been waiting for a deliv. for 2 mo... just wonderin.... thanks bro.
 

sparkafire

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Hey ABF I know you dont do areo but have you ever seen this before on clones? I put it up in problems HERE. Thanks for the help.

Sparky
 

Phinxter

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al b i noticed in the pics of your setup that the reflector wings on your cool tube are about 5 times the size of what came on my cool tube hood from htg ... did you buy those separate or build them DIY style or ?? where can i get those wings ?
 

archie6214

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Hey Al just thought I'd let you know I drove my ass an hour and a half back to my hydro shop and got my ph meter today, got home and tested resivor and it was at 5.6. Corrected to 5.8 and we'll see how it goes. Hopefully see some changes in the next week or so. Thanks again for your help!!:mrgreen:
 
al its been about 2-3 days since i put my germed seeds in rockwool and they r takin off nice my only problem is now they r starting to strecth towards the light they r a good size and i was thinking to just put them 3 feet under my hps for rapid growth is this a good idea. oh and another thing is the root came thru the bottom of the rockwool so i put it in the rainforest36 the water it sprays leave the coco liner cups wet and rockwool soaked when it is on what time method u recommend to leave it onor do u think i should just use net cups filled with hydroton and the rockwool in it instead of the coco cups??
 

grandpabear3

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ok...i'm calm....i'm calm.
i cant get a bulb until thursday al......i've plugged in a cfl crap-o-light in the timer in the flower chamber but it aint gonna do shit other than let the plants know its daytime,,,and shady at that. am i fuct?

:wall:

ok so maybe i pull through this....can i change the time on my 12/12...meaning can i flip it without freaking out the plant?:weed:
 

grandpabear3

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another quickie....if i'm using 1.7 ml/l 35% grade h202 and my ph is stable and my res is crystal clear.....can i slack on the 2 week cleaning?
 

rifishman

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Hey Al,
Back to my issue with the root rot. Will the clones I cut from mums that may have root rot carry the pathogens forward when I grow the clones out?

Is there a way to save mums that I may have overwatered?

If I cut back on watering cycle and startt adding in the H202, will that clear up the root rot or are these plants doomed?

RIFISHMAN
 

Al B. Fuct

once had a dog named
Hi Al, could you look at my city's water report and let me know what I need to look for.
The only real hazard in tapwater is excessive salinity (NaCl). 'Excessive' varies by whom you ask.

The South Australian govt thinks up to 480mg/L is 'low sodium.'
approx.
0 - 480
0 - 800
Very Low for SA freshwater sites
Range for rainwater and tap water. Good drinking water for people and suitable for animals and plants.


Bottled water with 5mg/L sodium or less is considered 'sodium free.'

However, I think more than 150ppm (150mg/L) sodium is worth doing something about, even if that means diluting tapwater with distilled or RO water (air conditioner or dehumidifier condensate water is great- and cheap) to reduce the salinity to 150ppm or less. With levels around 150ppm, disposable media is a very good idea as reusable media will accumulate salinity.

Your salinity is about 50mg/L, which is fine for plants.

How often do your run your bulbs before you replace, or do you let them die out?
While HPS lamps will continue to make light for 2-3 years, luminous output degrades with aging enough that most HPS mfrs recommend relamping every 12 mos in horticultural applications. I always have a spare with a few mos left in it.

Hey Al from the looks of it your a little bizzy....
More than a little and not just on RIU!

but since you mentioned it , is there any reason why you cant subsitute chlorination for h202.. just wondering if one could get buy with it instead .
You can get a product made by Flairform called 'Pyth-Off' which is a chlorinator. However, if you use this, mind the dosages closely and shoot lower than higher. You can induce chlorine toxicity with the stuff. I sure did when I played with it a few years ago.

It's not my preferred antimicrobial because while H2O2 gives off O2 when it breaks down, essential for vigorous root formation, PythOff's residual components are not as readily beneficial to the plant.
Local hydro shop been waiting for a deliv. for 2 mo... just wonderin.... thanks bro.
Call up a local chemical supply house and ask for their per kg pricing on 50% grade H202. See if you can buy quantities you can use in a reasonable amount of time, a year or so. If they won't sell in less than massive quantities or charge outrageously for small quantities (I get it for $5/L in 25L jugs), ask at least about the availability. You can then help your hydro shop out by telling them that Yourtown Chemical Co. has the stuff on the shelf.

Hey ABF I know you dont do areo but have you ever seen this before on clones? I put it up in problems HERE. Thanks for the help.
ouchie. Your suspicion is probably correct. I think you didn't get all the bleach out. I know how hard that can be, the stuff tends to stick to plastics.

Instead of sodium hypochlorite bleach for sterilising, use H2O2 50% grade at 25ml in 1L water.

al b i noticed in the pics of your setup that the reflector wings on your cool tube are about 5 times the size of what came on my cool tube hood from htg ... did you buy those separate or build them DIY style or ?? where can i get those wings ?
My batwings are the Adjust-A-Wings 'large Avenger' reflector with the slipper tube socket mount removed and replaced with a 150mm x 400mm cooltube.

tested resivor and it was at 5.6. Corrected to 5.8 and we'll see how it goes. Hopefully see some changes in the next week or so. Thanks again for your help!!:mrgreen:
coolio. :)

al its been about 2-3 days since i put my germed seeds in rockwool and they r takin off nice my only problem is now they r starting to strecth towards the light they r a good size and i was thinking to just put them 3 feet under my hps for rapid growth is this a good idea. oh and another thing is the root came thru the bottom of the rockwool so i put it in the rainforest36 the water it sprays leave the coco liner cups wet and rockwool soaked when it is on what time method u recommend to leave it onor do u think i should just use net cups filled with hydroton and the rockwool in it instead of the coco cups??
what kind of light are they under now how many sets of leaves do they have what size hps are you using what is a rainforest 36 how often are you wetting the rockwool what is the nute strength and pH ive said many times that i don't like organic materials in a recirculating hydro system because they can break down with eposure to H2O2 and foul pumps or support mould i cant really give you any idea of how often to water until i get a better idea of how a rainforest 36 works i just dont know all the brand names said that before too you have to tell me what kind of a system it is and by the way do you see how hard it is to read stuff that isnt properly punctuated and broken into sentences seriously spelling grammer and sentences really help me be able to understand wtf youre talking about otherwise i spend a lot of time just trying to decipher what youve written see what i mean
 

grandpabear3

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what kind of light are they under now how many sets of leaves do they have what size hps are you using what is a rainforest 36 how often are you wetting the rockwool what is the nute strength and pH ive said many times that i don't like organic materials in a recirculating hydro system because they can break down with eposure to H2O2 and foul pumps or support mould i cant really give you any idea of how often to water until i get a better idea of how a rainforest 36 works i just dont know all the brand names said that before too you have to tell me what kind of a system it is and by the way do you see how hard it is to read stuff that isnt properly punctuated and broken into sentences seriously spelling grammer and sentences really help me be able to understand wtf youre talking about otherwise i spend a lot of time just trying to decipher what youve written see what i mean

too funny al...unfortunately, you still write well enough to follow perfectly....you cant even be stupid when your trying...lolbongsmilie
 

Al B. Fuct

once had a dog named
ok...i'm calm....i'm calm.
i cant get a bulb until thursday al......i've plugged in a cfl crap-o-light in the timer in the flower chamber but it aint gonna do shit other than let the plants know its daytime,,,and shady at that. am i fuct?
No, but you may want to add a week into the flowering sked.

ok so maybe i pull through this....can i change the time on my 12/12...meaning can i flip it without freaking out the plant?
Flip it?

another quickie....if i'm using 1.7 ml/l 35% grade h202 and my ph is stable and my res is crystal clear.....can i slack on the 2 week cleaning?
Yes, just don't allow a lot of nutrient precipitants to accumulate in the tank bottoms, at least rinse the tanks before mixing up fresh sauce.

Hey Al,
Back to my issue with the root rot. Will the clones I cut from mums that may have root rot carry the pathogens forward when I grow the clones out?
No, the pathogen activity will be confined to the roots.

Is there a way to save mums that I may have overwatered?
Yep, you could treat them like big clones. Remove all leaves & branches but the growing tip and a couple of fan leaves near it. Lop off the stem at the base (or wherever it is still green and healthy), lightly scrape the last 25mm of stem with the back of a scalpel, and plug the thing in some damp (not wet) absorbent media ie rockwool. Keep it under 24/0 light at 30C. With some luck, you'll have a new root system in 7-10 days.
If I cut back on watering cycle and startt adding in the H202, will that clear up the root rot or are these plants doomed?
Dunno, have you got pics of these posted? Link, please?
 

Phinxter

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good lord those batwings are 169.00 US. dollars at my hydro shop.
know anywhere to get them a bit more reasonably for them ?
 

Phinxter

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Thanks Al B you always come thru ... i read about 90% of this post and not sure if i saw it here or not but
i have read a few times on RIU about people turning lights out 48 hours in between veg and flower.
i know you go from clone to flower. but do you see any benefit in this practice of 48 hour lights out before flowering ??

once again Al B i really appreciate everything you do to make RIU a great place for fast reliable info
 
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