AK47 Auto X LR2 (Easy Ryder) Cabinet Grow

I assume this problem is from the heat and the fact that they dried out a little too much. I gave them a big drink of water (without nutes just in case) this morning; hopefully they'll stabilize without much more effort. HD didn't have in-line fans so I'm still looking. Not sure if I should try a more powerful computer fan or move straight to something a little more heavy duty. There are PC fans that have higher CFMs than average 4" in-line fans though, so I don't know what to think. I also think that the fact I am working with a 2.75" opening isn't helping. I'd like to increase that to 4" or more but that is going to be a bitch considering it's two layers of pretty thick steel I'd have to cut through. It was tough enough to cut through the shelves.

Here's a look at the stressed leaves.


And a zoom of the same pic


Wider view to show the spread and distribution of the problem


Another plant


My temps stay near 100 or even a little higher. I may unscrew a couple bulbs. At this point a little less light is probably preferable to them getting scorched. Another option I'm considering is adding a fan to the intake. I know that's not the preferred method, but I figure it may increase the effectiveness of the exhaust fan.

You're welcome to post thoughts on the problem, but for now I'm going to just water them well and wait and see. Let me know if you think it's something besides heat. I'm up to full strength bloom nutes. I don't think I introduced those nutes gradually which may be a problem. I figured if they were at full strength "grow" nutes (20-6-16) they could handle a direct switch to full strength "bloom" nutes (9-21-12). But now that I think about it, they weren't used to getting that much potassium. Maybe that's burning them? Like I said, I doused with plain water and I'll probably reintroduce nutes gradually just to be safe. Can't hurt. Conversely, maybe these autoflowering dwarfs need more Nitrogen even when flowering since they are continuing to develop branches, etc. Mabye the bloom nutes are not providing enough Nitrogen? I'm starting to think I should've gone with an all purpose 16-12-16 formula throughout the whole grow since the veg/bloom cycle on these plants is so weird. I haven't heard of that being a big problem for others though.

Well, in case anyone reads this, the pictures are obviously the wrong ones and were swapped out somehow during the apparent conversion to a new web site format. That blows. Maybe that's how they're going to persuade everyone to start blog entries and ditch their grow journals. Anyway, in case things return to normal, I'll continue.

I swapped out exhaust fans today to try and reduce temps. The new fan is smaller but it seems a little more powerful. More importantly, it better matches the size of the exhaust hole. For some reason, I think it would make sense for a fan of the same size to be more efficient than a larger fan attached to a reducer to fit the hole. Hopefully it will knock things down a few degrees. The problem with the leaves seems to be spreading. I'm giving them plenty of water (without nutes). I'll probably give 1/4 or 1/2 strength nutes with the next watering and try to work back up.

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GravityWorship said:

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Yes, you do have to be signed in to see pics, but these are not mine. A bunch of other people are having the same problem ever since the conversion to the new site. If you go to the first page, it's pretty obvious that my plants didn't have huge buds on day 12. Thanks for the input though!

It sucks that the pics are still screwed up, but oh well.

I think my problem was caused by watering with full strength nutes with every watering. This probably resulted in a nutrient lockout which is giving me the nutrient/element deficiency symptoms. I am flushing with plain water and epsom salts. I'll start back with 1/4 strength bloom nutes slowly and work my way up to 1/2 strength. I probably won't go back to full strength ever. I'll also try to just use plain water every few waterings. New pics in the next day or two (trying to keep on a weekly schedule for updates).

OK, let's get some photos in this thread that are actually my plants. If I had the time, I'd go back and redo all the previous photos, but that's not going to happen.
week 5 for the larger plant in center
week 4 for the other two

Here's a straight up shot - middle plant is one week older


Shot from above just for comparison to previous photos taken from this angle


Wider view to show a portion of the cabinet setup


Shot from below


One of the main buds forming


Wider view of one of the main bud sites


Top bud site of the skinny plant


Two bud sites close to each other


That's all for now. Seems like flushing has helped with the leaf problems. They're growing better and they're getting their smell back.

OK, I can't stand not having my old photos as a reference but I'm not going to go back and fix them all. Here's a quick sample of the overview shots for comparison purposes.

10 days and 3 days respectively


1-2 weeks


4 days later (3 weeks for oldest one)


4 weeks


Suspected nute lockout - 4 1/2 weeks


Which leads us to today - 5 weeks (4 weeks for smaller two)

What the F? Now my old pics are back where they should be but the newer pics are gone. RIU this transition is going very smoothly.

Anyway, I'm heading out of town for a week. I set up a 6 or 7 gallon reservoir set to a timer for watering and raised the lights up a little bit. A friend will check on them after 5 days to make sure all is well and fill the reservoir if needed. I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

Well it looks like this experiment is down the shitter and will have to wait until fall. Thanks to the warm weather, the cabinet is up to 111 degrees Fahrenheit. The timer didn't give them enough water while I was gone and they look like shit. Maybe with enough water one or two will survive. I'm contemplating moving them outside. What a fucking waste.





The smallest plant survived OK, probably because it doesn't require as much water. Maybe I'll get an 1/8th off it.

So it looks like the two plants will make it, although I'm sure their yield will be affected by the scorching setback. Small plant seems to be doing well; taller plant just starting to form small buds.

Both plants


Two of the buds on the taller plant


Another look at those two buds/branches from the side


A closeup of a small bud on the taller plant


A look at the shorter/beefier plant


Closeups of the main bud on the shorter plant




A side look at a branch of the shorter plant; it looks like this plant should have thick buds on all the branches.

Hey buddy i am interested in how your grow turns out afte rthe setback you have described. Shame as they were looking very promising! Don't despair though i have never experienced such an event myself but from my research over the years you could end up with an alright yield considering the circumstances. All the best and i wish you luck with it man!

I just started some autos myself...got one lowryder #2 and a pakistan ryder. Also got one doggies nuts white widow just to see what all the hype and heat on this site about doggie nuts seeds is? haha

Check out my grows...links are below if your interested?

bummer about the girls, those two still look good, hope things trun around for you.

Aaarggh, somehow I just lost my reply to both of you. Basically, thanks for stopping by and offering words of encouragement!

James, never even heard of doggies nuts! I haven't looked at strains in over a year when I ordered mine.

OK, the plants are outside. I went to check them tonight and the cabinet was 116 degrees F. I guess the cabinet will be my winter hobby. The plants won't get as much light, but those temps weren't doing them any favors. Now I just have to hide them in the yard. Hopefully they'll respond well.

Ever since the scorching event, the plants haven't really bounced back. The lack of development made me forget their anticipated finish dates. If the package is correct, and they are 70 days from seed, they should be been done soon. Unfortunately, the oldest one doesn't even have any crystals/trichomes. The younger plant looks better. The hairs are mostly brown, but the trichomes still seem mostly clear. I bought a microscope today.

Here's the older plant that has little buds without any trichomes.


Here's a wide view of the younger plant, which actually doesn't look that bad.



Here's some bud porn of the main bud on the small/younger plant
I'd like to hear your insights on if she looks ready to be cut yet.

sounds like your lights are too hot. Yes lowryders can flower themselves, but id say set you lights to bloom and leave them there. now that theyre outside, beware of spidermites. those little fuckers will creep up on you. every day you need to be checking the undersides of the leaves for little black specs, the size of the head of a pin. the mites will die easy, but their eggs wont. invest in a good insecticide, like mite rid. good luck man. and you gotta fix that cab, indoors over outdoors anyday!

wow. that really blows. that coulda been some really good bud porn but now its like lookin at a necked crackwhore. just kiddin. at least you were able to salvage some of it. i bet you were pissed. i have accidentally split mine down the middle like a wish bone 3 months into the grow when i was attempting to train the two top colas horazontally with fishin line. forgot all about them being tied down and went to look at the roots in the hydro bucket by liftin the plant up. SNAP!! i thought for sure she was a gonner. but to my suprise she made it through. slowed her way down though. its all about trial and error.

KidCreole said:

sounds like your lights are too hot. Yes lowryders can flower themselves, but id say set you lights to bloom and leave them there. now that theyre outside, beware of spidermites. those little fuckers will creep up on you. every day you need to be checking the undersides of the leaves for little black specs, the size of the head of a pin. the mites will die easy, but their eggs wont. invest in a good insecticide, like mite rid. good luck man. and you gotta fix that cab, indoors over outdoors anyday!

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My lights were sort of hot, but they were still CFLs. The problem is that the fresh intake air was in the mid 90 degrees since the cabinet is in my garage. I do need to figure out some better ventilation for the cabinet though. I will keep an eye out for spider mites now that they're outside.

brandon873 said:

wow. that really blows. that coulda been some really good bud porn but now its like lookin at a necked crackwhore. just kiddin. at least you were able to salvage some of it. i bet you were pissed. i have accidentally split mine down the middle like a wish bone 3 months into the grow when i was attempting to train the two top colas horazontally with fishin line. forgot all about them being tied down and went to look at the roots in the hydro bucket by liftin the plant up. SNAP!! i thought for sure she was a gonner. but to my suprise she made it through. slowed her way down though. its all about trial and error.

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Yeah, I didn't have high hopes since this is my first grow. So anything that comes out of it is a win. I think I read that story from you in another post. That sucks.

Thanks to you both for checking in.

On another note, I'm ready for the next attempt (even though this one's not done yet). I ordered more seeds today. Gonna try some outdoor this summer and go back indoors once it cools down in the fall/winter.

Id say trim some of the buds that look done and try and keep as many big fan leafs still on the plant.