Airplanes don't just fall out of the sky

budleydoright said:

I like the way a security memo is reduced to a simple letter, shit easy to mix in with all the junk mail I guess.

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tokeprep said:

From your article: "'a group presently in the United States' was planning a terrorist operation"; terrorist attacks "could be 'imminent'"; "a coming attack"; "planned near-term attacks to have 'dramatic consequences'"; "operation...'will occur soon'"; etc.

The sum of the infamous briefing, mostly in my own words: bin Laden wants to conduct an attack in the US; such plots have been uncovered in the past. bin Laden is patient and plodding. al Qaeda members have traveled to the US for years and some are US citizens; Americans may be being recruited for the attack. We cannot corroborate "the more sensational threat reporting," including a threat to hijack a US aircraft.

So tell me, what evidence was Bush ignoring? There was no specific information, with the CIA expressly casting doubt on reports that bin Laden wanted to hijack a plane (nevermind hijacking four and crashing them into buildings). No US citizens were involved in the attack, even though that's an explicit focus of the PDB. As I said, "Terrorists wants to attack you" is not actionable. It's useless and obvious information. That al Qaeda members had traveled here and were active here was not news--it had been true since the 90s. That terrorists were plotting attacks was likewise unsurprising--see the Los Angeles airport plot.

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schuylaar said:

you know, you may be right..so then i guess we'll just apply those same dynamics to benghazi..i mean, how's a president to know?

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Doer said:

OK, lowpost.

Were they flying by wires? Like, were they near power wires? Or were they flying by, ie, along a wire?

You seem so important around here lowpost. Who are you? beenthere again? Maybe burgertime?

Go on explain to me how they can be by wires, or near any wires over the ocean,

Go on tough guy. Tell us.

Have you flown helicopters by wires? I sure have. I really pedaled hard to get away, I tell you what!

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tokeprep said:

I don't know where we're getting this idea that Bush ignored the briefing. The briefing contained no actionable intelligence and no evidence of anything. It didn't identify any specific threat and explicitly cast doubt on aviation being the target. What is the president supposed to do with it, seriously?

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Glaucoma said:

What the hell are you talking about? Tough guy? lol Feeling a bit threatened, are we?

So uh... are you gonna answer any of my questions or just sit behind a computer and continue to act like a total ass? I guess I'm still willing to entertain an explanation of how any of this has any bearing on the fact that you are spouting BS you know nothing about. Lets hear some more about how planes never break up in mid air by themselves except the 3 I rattled off the top of my head. Or more about maintenance issues on fly-by-wire systems. How about control stick feedback? Or how well a jumbo jet glides without power. Tell me again how much strength is required to fly these planes and move the controls because I've heard that using fly-by-wire systems makes it much easier to do so. Or my favorite.. Snap rolls in a multi engine turbine aircraft. Seriously, how full of shit are you?

I am Glaucoma. Is it really that hard to believe? If I seem important to you it's probably because I know what I'm talking about and you haven't the first clue.

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Glaucoma said:

What the hell are you talking about? Tough guy? lol Feeling a bit threatened, are we?

So uh... are you gonna answer any of my questions or just sit behind a computer and continue to act like a total ass? I guess I'm still willing to entertain an explanation of how any of this has any bearing on the fact that you are spouting BS you know nothing about. Lets hear some more about how planes never break up in mid air by themselves except the 3 I rattled off the top of my head. Or more about maintenance issues on fly-by-wire systems. How about control stick feedback? Or how well a jumbo jet glides without power. Tell me again how much strength is required to fly these planes and move the controls because I've heard that using fly-by-wire systems makes it much easier to do so. Or my favorite.. Snap rolls in a multi engine turbine aircraft. Seriously, how full of shit are you?

I am Glaucoma. Is it really that hard to believe? If I seem important to you it's probably because I know what I'm talking about and you haven't the first clue.

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schuylaar said:

you know, you may be right..so then i guess we'll just apply those same dynamics to benghazi..i mean, how's a president to know?

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fr3d12 said:

It looks to me like deliberate pilot hijacking, I'd also be inclined to think that the two guys travelling on the fake passports had some bearing on it, too much of a coincidence methinks.

It's the ultimate act of terror, just taking a plane full of people and disappearing!

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Doer said:

My experience has been, if a lowpost comes on like a turd, with a twisted combative, dis-ing baby puke style, they have been banned before. They have chip on their shoulder. That is why they are lowposts.

High posts participate in discussion, don't pick fights, call names, don't have apoplectic fits, act like a dick to perfect strangers and generally can hack it. And they don't get tossed off.

Also, I find they pick negative names as they go down in dis-grunt, in a Freudian way. But, they can't change their strips. They wander around to get a tiny post count and then head back,for some right-fight. So,you were banned. Kandahar maybe?

Buck is a highpost, Praises to Him. <secret handshake> (as it certainly should be)

So, Buck. Who is this?

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fr3d12 said:

It looks to me like deliberate pilot hijacking, I'd also be inclined to think that the two guys travelling on the fake passports had some bearing on it, too much of a coincidence methinks.

It's the ultimate act of terror, just taking a plane full of people and disappearing!

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schuylaar said:

happy st. patricks if i don't see you<3

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Doer said:

That is what they are calling it. I wonder about the co-pilot. Wasn't he the one that let the ladies into the cockpit, to smoke and chat, and enjoy the ride?

Knock knock.
Who's There?
Co-pilot.
Co-pilot who?
Co-pilot girls. Let us in.

Hey, you aren't gir..er.crash...oof, no...get that...crunch..aH..splat..(the other mask..there ok ok)

Passengers. We have a little turbulence. Please put on your oxygen masks, flight crew, also.

(cabin pressure, off) (crew oxygen, bypass) (passenger oxygen,off)

That is all.

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schuylaar said:

doer you are being mean to glaucoma.

he took the time to post factual information.

not everyone who has low posts is a banned member.

be nice.

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