Im not having any luck. Can you post a link?
AG seed co aka Authentic Genetics by Todd McCormick
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slacker140
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Do you not take cuttings?
conor c
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And sagmartha and dutch passion both got theres from dj at the right time least they did years ago the old stretch indica proper blueberry line and they both ripped dj off pretty sure they never payed him what he was owed ive no clue what there lines of it be like now dps used to be pretty good in my experience but im going back a while
budtoker221
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Yea I tried popping Sag’s blueberry regulars last year in an attempt to recreate Vic high’s Orange crush but none of the 10 seeds popped, I assume because almost no one buys regular seeds these days so they were probably super old stock. I ended up getting their feminized version after that and they were somewhat stretchy 7 ft outdoor plant which was disappointing since I was trying to recreate the pheno that Vic high said were described as 2-3 ft indica plants.
Their description of the feminized version talks about an extensive selection process so maybe they selected a taller high yielding pheno to s1 for their feminized seeds, maybe their regular seeds have less tall phenos like what Vic described in that article.
I might try again with their regular seeds.
Even their regular description talks about “extensive breeding trials in Holland”, so apparently they did some work on whatever original stock they got from DJ.
Charles U Farley
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southeastlights dot org
I have only worked the Northern Lights seeds I acquired from Sensi in 2000 via Gypsy Nirvana on OG, which I know for an absolute fact was a combination of NL2 and NL5 that was developed by Nevil. See the History of NL thread to see what Ben Dronker's (owner of Sensi) son confirmed in one of the most brutal cannabis forum bitch slaps I've ever read.
I didn't "unlock" any version of NL, I just observed that after many, many grows of consistently similar, if not identical NL plants, some of them started to look different. The first difference I noticed was shorter, squatter plants that actually had a bit of smell to them. The original NL had very little smell, NL Seattle Greg was an innovator growing indoors and smell was a major security concern. A few grows later, I noticed a tall, rather rangy plant that I was sure was going to be male. It was not. It developed a very typical Type I/Sativa shape. After a few more grows with similar phenotypical staminate and pistallate plants to stabilize them, I realized I had separate, reproducible Type I/Sativa and Type II/Indica seeds.
I had reverse engineered Northern Lights back to it's original Type I, Type II and Type IV parental units.
Won't answer any more questions on NL in this thread because other than slinging seeds of questionable provenance, Mr. McCormick has nothing whatsoever to do with Northern Lights.
I rarely give unsolicited advice but your nym suggests a genuine interest, so I'll give you my opinion on obtaining seeds that are the closest to what I consider real Northern Lights. The only place that has genuine, certifiable NL _genetics_ is still, without a doubt Sensi Seeds. And you're going to hear they suck now and that's probably the case. The reason being is the _environment_ that they've been developed in for the last 25 years. You have to take into consideration not only genetics but the _environment_ the plants grow in. An industrialized/mechanized system like Sensi's sucks for mind expanding cannabis. You can't change genetics but you can change the sucky environment those seeds were developed in. The first grow or two is gonna suck because the plants are used to being in Sensi's sucky environment and you'll be providing them with a more optimal environment. But if you have the patience and determination, it'll eventually be rewarded. So number one, I'd do whatever I could to get Sensi's NL and if you are U.S based, that'll be difficult because they won't ship here. Take into consideration anything that is truly worthwhile can be difficult to achieve but it'll be worth it.
The easier and much preferred method I'd use now (and since Mike's gone legal in Canada it'll be difficult if you are U.S. based) is to get PeakSeedsBC's Northern Lights. Real, honest to God NL genetics that has actually been _worked_ in great growing environment by someone who knows what they are doing. I have never grown any of his stuff, just going by reputation for a very, very long time, but I have a long term love of British Columbia and it's cannabis developers (Vic, you were the man) ever since visiting Blunt Brothers in Vancouver.
Do whatever you have to to acquire Mike's NL, it'll be worth it.Sorry for the Wall of Words, hope you're not on a phone.
Take care and good luck!
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conor c
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There normal blueberry was djs the one they sold as blueberry bud was the further worked line if my memory serves me right im not 100% but i think so they claimed was a collab but wasnt as they ripped dj off
budtoker221
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Yea I just noticed today that their regulars are just called blueberry but the feminized is called “blueberry bud”
I don’t care about any of the drama as long as the weed is dank haha
Hollatchaboy
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Agreed. I've gotten a few stains....skunk #1, nl#5 ibl, og haze. I'm trying to get some issues with my setup, and feeding ironed out, then I'll flip.
Old school smoke always had seeds anyways. It'll be just like old times. Lol
Charles U Farley
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My less than positive opinions are not limited to Mr. McCormick. From my post in the Breeders Hall of Fame thread and in light of the much more congenial atmosphere of this forum compared to last year at this time, I've edited it to tone down the rhetoric:
"A bullsh*t artist who never heard gunfire from where he lived in Detroit during the riots (Grantland article, 38 and 22 mag sounds used in the riot don’t travel that far to where he lived, not sure a 30.06 would) and if you lie about one thing to embellish your story, you'll lie about _everything_. Who cares if your "creation" smelled like blueberries, since you colchicined the plants and turned 'em in to scrawny, sickly little runts instead of honest to God cannabis. But hey, if they live, they'll smell like a blueberry and then hermie on you… sounds like a foundational version of cannabis... at least to you. Dive deep into the BCGA website archive of OT1 to understand what I'm talking about."
From that same post, my Hall of Fame:
"NL Seattle Greg (creator of Northern Lights)
Nevil (his name speaks for itself)
Vic High (BCGA creator, true developer of multiple types of cannabis)
Shantibaba (creator of White Widow and Super Silver Haze)"
Sorry for the thread drift, Mr. McCormick has nothing whatsoever to do with DJ's blueberry.
This will be my last post in this thread as my opinion of him is abundantly clear.
conor c
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My only issue with greg and the like is that they change storys that often that it kinda undermines there credibility sure he created it but it also wouldnt exist without nevils genetics as nl1 is half his mazari line and the other half being steve Murphy's afghani and let's be honest nevil's lines of the nl family were the best examples of it
Charles U Farley
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I'm usually a man of my word but in re-reading this thread, there are a few participants I recognize/respect that got sucked in by Mr. McCormick's marketing. You are not the only one, I was too. So one more post in this thread and this is an email I sent to him in June of last year. He did not respond, which I totally understand because of Spam/100's of email, etc. But when he didn't respond, I decided to do a really deep dive to see if he was real or just slinging seeds like almost every other Boomer who had anything to do with the scene back in the day.
I did not like what I found.
To summarize what I discovered, he has glommed on/exploited the accomplishments of Peter McWilliams, Jack Herrer, Ed Rosenthal, NL Seattle Greg, et al. for his own personal financial gain without doing the actual _work_ that is required to develop and improve cannabis. When I Waybacked his website, he had like 20-30 different, "personally" developed "strains" available within a month of launching the website. That told me all I needed to know.
Just because NL Seattle Greg listed his website on his Facebook page was definitely _not_ a reason to trust this guy. Here's a cut 'n paste of my email, and as you all will see, even a professional skeptic like me can get suckered into name dropping marketing. Luckily, I decided to dig a little deeper in my research and found out what I needed to know.
And conor c, the changing stories are most assuredly a function of failing memory with old age, I cut NL Seattle Greg mucho slack because I'm not immune... unfortunately. That's why I rely on what people have actually _written_.
Sunni if you think I'm whoring my website go ahead and shitcan whatever you want, I don't have the time to edit all the URL's.
Here it is in all it's embarrassing exuberance.
This thread is now dead to me:
I did not like what I found.
To summarize what I discovered, he has glommed on/exploited the accomplishments of Peter McWilliams, Jack Herrer, Ed Rosenthal, NL Seattle Greg, et al. for his own personal financial gain without doing the actual _work_ that is required to develop and improve cannabis. When I Waybacked his website, he had like 20-30 different, "personally" developed "strains" available within a month of launching the website. That told me all I needed to know.
Just because NL Seattle Greg listed his website on his Facebook page was definitely _not_ a reason to trust this guy. Here's a cut 'n paste of my email, and as you all will see, even a professional skeptic like me can get suckered into name dropping marketing. Luckily, I decided to dig a little deeper in my research and found out what I needed to know.
And conor c, the changing stories are most assuredly a function of failing memory with old age, I cut NL Seattle Greg mucho slack because I'm not immune... unfortunately. That's why I rely on what people have actually _written_.
Sunni if you think I'm whoring my website go ahead and shitcan whatever you want, I don't have the time to edit all the URL's.
Here it is in all it's embarrassing exuberance.
This thread is now dead to me:
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Charles U Farley
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Hi Todd,
This is going to be a very long email and it’s not related to the Authentic Genetics email address I’m sending it to because I’m not interested in purchasing any seeds but that's the only address for you that I have available. It’s a personal type of communication, so if you keep a separate schedule to answer or work on business versus personal email, save this one for your personal time. But to pique your interest and keep you from hitting the delete icon to shit-can this email before you’ve read the entire thing, I’ll let you know that I’ve reverse engineered Northern Lights, so come back to this when you’ve got some personal reading time. I never ask anyone to do anything unless there’s something in it for them as well, so I’ll tease you with a” reward” cultivation suggestion at the end of it.
Ok, here goes. I discovered your Authentic Genetics website doing an in-depth search of “Northern Lights” because I‘ve just started back writing in my website, southeastlights.org. I have been exclusively developing (I never use the term “breed” or” breeder”) Sensi Seeds Northern Lights for over 20 years now.
I obviously have a very strong interest in Northern Lights and when I saw your site on my Google search results, I clicked, read a bit of it and to be totally honest with you, my Bullshit Detector went into Class IV Red Alert. I thought, oh boy here’s another seed slinger selling bogus NL like that asshat up in Canada who was hawking NL #9 several years ago. You see, when I first created the website 4 years ago, I performed an extensive/exhaustive search on the history of Northern Lights because I knew I had broken down the original Sensi NL into the Type I Thai/Hawaiian, Type II Indica, and Type IV Hybrid cannabis plants it was originally developed from. See here:
http://southeastlights.org/development.html
In doing the search, I came across this thread on the mrnice.nl forum:
https://mrnice.nl/forum/threads/northern-lights.2012/
After plowing through that thread, I dug much deeper on the mrnice forum and found that not only NL Seattle Greg had posted on there but Nevil did as well! OMFG. I am so far from a fanboy nor do I get into any type of celebrity worship or pagan idolatry bullshit but I highly respect when people put in hard work to develop something special and without those two guys, there would have been no Northern Lights for me to work with. Trying to make a very long story somewhat shorter, I did a very deep dive on NL Seattle Greg’s online presence and found his personal Facebook page. When the Bullshit Detector lit up, I went back to his Facebook page and lo and behold, agseedco.com was listed on his page.
This is going to be a very long email and it’s not related to the Authentic Genetics email address I’m sending it to because I’m not interested in purchasing any seeds but that's the only address for you that I have available. It’s a personal type of communication, so if you keep a separate schedule to answer or work on business versus personal email, save this one for your personal time. But to pique your interest and keep you from hitting the delete icon to shit-can this email before you’ve read the entire thing, I’ll let you know that I’ve reverse engineered Northern Lights, so come back to this when you’ve got some personal reading time. I never ask anyone to do anything unless there’s something in it for them as well, so I’ll tease you with a” reward” cultivation suggestion at the end of it.
Ok, here goes. I discovered your Authentic Genetics website doing an in-depth search of “Northern Lights” because I‘ve just started back writing in my website, southeastlights.org. I have been exclusively developing (I never use the term “breed” or” breeder”) Sensi Seeds Northern Lights for over 20 years now.
I obviously have a very strong interest in Northern Lights and when I saw your site on my Google search results, I clicked, read a bit of it and to be totally honest with you, my Bullshit Detector went into Class IV Red Alert. I thought, oh boy here’s another seed slinger selling bogus NL like that asshat up in Canada who was hawking NL #9 several years ago. You see, when I first created the website 4 years ago, I performed an extensive/exhaustive search on the history of Northern Lights because I knew I had broken down the original Sensi NL into the Type I Thai/Hawaiian, Type II Indica, and Type IV Hybrid cannabis plants it was originally developed from. See here:
http://southeastlights.org/development.html
In doing the search, I came across this thread on the mrnice.nl forum:
https://mrnice.nl/forum/threads/northern-lights.2012/
After plowing through that thread, I dug much deeper on the mrnice forum and found that not only NL Seattle Greg had posted on there but Nevil did as well! OMFG. I am so far from a fanboy nor do I get into any type of celebrity worship or pagan idolatry bullshit but I highly respect when people put in hard work to develop something special and without those two guys, there would have been no Northern Lights for me to work with. Trying to make a very long story somewhat shorter, I did a very deep dive on NL Seattle Greg’s online presence and found his personal Facebook page. When the Bullshit Detector lit up, I went back to his Facebook page and lo and behold, agseedco.com was listed on his page.
Charles U Farley
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So, I know you are real and not a pollen chucker trying to profit off of someone else’s hard work.
I dive deeper into your site and the next name I see is Mel Frank. WTF?? This guy works with NL Seattle Greg _and_ Mel Frank? Holy shit, I bought Frank and Rosenthal’s Grower’s Guide back in 1978 when I bought my first house, so I had a place to grow indoors. You can see the resulting plants here:
http://southeastlights.org/about_2.html
Their book was like the fucking 10 Commandments to me. Holy shit, this guy Todd is pretty plugged into the cannabis “scene”. Deeper into your site I go and I see the name Bill Drake. This cannot be possible, is this the same William Daniel Blake, Jr. who wrote Connoisseur's Handbook that I bought when I was in high school in 1971? Hell yeah it is! That book resulted in my first successful seed to seedling to veg plants (ripped off before they could flower) and proved to me that I could actually grow a cannabis plant. What the actual fuck! What’s next, am I going to see Jack S. Margolis and Richard Clorfene from a Child’s Garden of Grass on your site too?
Time to do a deep, general Google search on Todd McCormick because I can’t believe this guy is that plugged into what’s happened with cannabis. I shouldn’t have been surprised but holy fuck, here’s pics of you with Richard Branson, Jeff Bezos, Bill Maher, etc. Farther down the rabbit hole I go and now I read about you in the Netherlands with Nevil, then about you and Jack Herer and then something about a bust in CA with Peter McWilliams. I thoroughly explore that portion of the rabbit hole and discover the CA legalization/cultivation bust and the fact that you did not fucking rat on Peter. Now this absolutely cannot be real, not the Peter McWilliams from The Personal Computer Book I bought back in 1981? This cannot be. That book quite literally changed my life and moved/motivated me to go into another career that utilized computers. That book opened up the world of what computers could do for those of us who absolutely, positively hated mathematics and had no need or desire to code/program.
Man, I don’t know but you must have some absolutely amazing fucking karma or something to be associated with so many people who have been so influential in my life. I halfway expect to read about you and Owsley Stanley or Ram Dass now. Which brings me to another point in this long ass saga, I recently took a 5 gram cubensis journey, in complete, total darkness, silence and isolation, during which the phrase “Attitude of Gratitude” became a central theme in my reality. I realized it was time for me to say thanks to the people who had helped make my life so meaningful. You are in direct contact with two who are still alive, Greg and Mel, and maybe you're still friends with the family of Peter, who knows, I’ve learned not to make assumptions about you.
Now we finally get to what I’m gonna ask you to do and that is to contact Bill, Greg and Mel to let them know about southeastlights.org and feel free to give them my email address in case they have any corrections or questions about what I’ve written about them. Please communicate the following (either by cut and paste or just forward this email if it’s easier) :
“Thank you all so much for the lifetime of work you put into the development of cannabis. Bill, your book taught a 16 year old kid in 71 how to properly plant a cannabis seed and what to do after it sprouted. Mel, in vast and extensive ways I used the info in your and Ed's book to grow much better cannabis. Your writing and especially your phenomenal photography was key to my understanding of cannabis. Greg with great specificity you helped me tremendously by creating Northern Lights, because it dramatically helped in treating my PTSD. Your alls hard work has made my life so much better. I stand on the shoulders of fucking giants!”
If they explore the website, they’ll see themselves mentioned with the great respect and reverence they have earned.
Now since I never ask anyone to do anything for me unless I absolutely, positively have to and then only when I can provide something of value in return, here’s an idea I have for you given your extraordinary access to verifiable, classic genetics. Because of a trip I took to Denver to buy legal cannabis after Trump was elected, I was able to consume cannabis other than my variation of Northern Lights for the first time in almost 20 years. I wanted as pure a Type I/Sativa as I could get and the best choice at that time was Durban Poison. It was damn fine cannabis and did, in fact, make me feel different than my variation of Northern Lights. I thought, you know, if I had the space and could get the genetics paranoia free (I’m in a strongly Prohibition state) it’d be great to develop a pairing of these two. Did a little research and there really wasn’t anything special already done with NL and DP that I could find but didn’t give it any more thought because I just don’t have the room necessary to grow the volume of plants to do a project of that size justice.
Then I read your website.
You have access to Greg’s Northern Lights #2 and Mel’s Durban Poison, what a_ fire_ of a combo that should be. The only pairing of any relevance I could find now is Urban Poison (a backcross) and Mt. Hood Magic. Hardly known cannabis brands and God knows what version of NL or Durban they actually had/used. You’ve got the real, honest to God versions of NL2 and Durban, from the fucking originators. The massive “fly in the ointment” for me is the “feminized” portion of the Durban. Anything with the word feminized, STS, GA, etc. is dead to me. I just do not believe in any chemical manipulation of cannabis genetics. You may feel differently, and that’s fine by me. I learn more from those who disagree with me than those who agree with me. I’d talk with Ed and see if you can get any access to standard DP seeds, if any are available, just to keep it pure but again, you may feel different. The NL2 is going to provide the structure, internode spacing, resin, etc. while the DP will donate height, length of bud and give overall balance to the final product. Work that combo for 4-5 generations to standardize and provide phenotypic consistency and I'll bet you will end up with something quite special.
Hope you think that idea is worth the epic read this email entailed!
Take Care And Thanks,
Chuck U. Farley (my online nym)
I dive deeper into your site and the next name I see is Mel Frank. WTF?? This guy works with NL Seattle Greg _and_ Mel Frank? Holy shit, I bought Frank and Rosenthal’s Grower’s Guide back in 1978 when I bought my first house, so I had a place to grow indoors. You can see the resulting plants here:
http://southeastlights.org/about_2.html
Their book was like the fucking 10 Commandments to me. Holy shit, this guy Todd is pretty plugged into the cannabis “scene”. Deeper into your site I go and I see the name Bill Drake. This cannot be possible, is this the same William Daniel Blake, Jr. who wrote Connoisseur's Handbook that I bought when I was in high school in 1971? Hell yeah it is! That book resulted in my first successful seed to seedling to veg plants (ripped off before they could flower) and proved to me that I could actually grow a cannabis plant. What the actual fuck! What’s next, am I going to see Jack S. Margolis and Richard Clorfene from a Child’s Garden of Grass on your site too?
Time to do a deep, general Google search on Todd McCormick because I can’t believe this guy is that plugged into what’s happened with cannabis. I shouldn’t have been surprised but holy fuck, here’s pics of you with Richard Branson, Jeff Bezos, Bill Maher, etc. Farther down the rabbit hole I go and now I read about you in the Netherlands with Nevil, then about you and Jack Herer and then something about a bust in CA with Peter McWilliams. I thoroughly explore that portion of the rabbit hole and discover the CA legalization/cultivation bust and the fact that you did not fucking rat on Peter. Now this absolutely cannot be real, not the Peter McWilliams from The Personal Computer Book I bought back in 1981? This cannot be. That book quite literally changed my life and moved/motivated me to go into another career that utilized computers. That book opened up the world of what computers could do for those of us who absolutely, positively hated mathematics and had no need or desire to code/program.
Man, I don’t know but you must have some absolutely amazing fucking karma or something to be associated with so many people who have been so influential in my life. I halfway expect to read about you and Owsley Stanley or Ram Dass now. Which brings me to another point in this long ass saga, I recently took a 5 gram cubensis journey, in complete, total darkness, silence and isolation, during which the phrase “Attitude of Gratitude” became a central theme in my reality. I realized it was time for me to say thanks to the people who had helped make my life so meaningful. You are in direct contact with two who are still alive, Greg and Mel, and maybe you're still friends with the family of Peter, who knows, I’ve learned not to make assumptions about you.
Now we finally get to what I’m gonna ask you to do and that is to contact Bill, Greg and Mel to let them know about southeastlights.org and feel free to give them my email address in case they have any corrections or questions about what I’ve written about them. Please communicate the following (either by cut and paste or just forward this email if it’s easier) :
“Thank you all so much for the lifetime of work you put into the development of cannabis. Bill, your book taught a 16 year old kid in 71 how to properly plant a cannabis seed and what to do after it sprouted. Mel, in vast and extensive ways I used the info in your and Ed's book to grow much better cannabis. Your writing and especially your phenomenal photography was key to my understanding of cannabis. Greg with great specificity you helped me tremendously by creating Northern Lights, because it dramatically helped in treating my PTSD. Your alls hard work has made my life so much better. I stand on the shoulders of fucking giants!”
If they explore the website, they’ll see themselves mentioned with the great respect and reverence they have earned.
Now since I never ask anyone to do anything for me unless I absolutely, positively have to and then only when I can provide something of value in return, here’s an idea I have for you given your extraordinary access to verifiable, classic genetics. Because of a trip I took to Denver to buy legal cannabis after Trump was elected, I was able to consume cannabis other than my variation of Northern Lights for the first time in almost 20 years. I wanted as pure a Type I/Sativa as I could get and the best choice at that time was Durban Poison. It was damn fine cannabis and did, in fact, make me feel different than my variation of Northern Lights. I thought, you know, if I had the space and could get the genetics paranoia free (I’m in a strongly Prohibition state) it’d be great to develop a pairing of these two. Did a little research and there really wasn’t anything special already done with NL and DP that I could find but didn’t give it any more thought because I just don’t have the room necessary to grow the volume of plants to do a project of that size justice.
Then I read your website.
You have access to Greg’s Northern Lights #2 and Mel’s Durban Poison, what a_ fire_ of a combo that should be. The only pairing of any relevance I could find now is Urban Poison (a backcross) and Mt. Hood Magic. Hardly known cannabis brands and God knows what version of NL or Durban they actually had/used. You’ve got the real, honest to God versions of NL2 and Durban, from the fucking originators. The massive “fly in the ointment” for me is the “feminized” portion of the Durban. Anything with the word feminized, STS, GA, etc. is dead to me. I just do not believe in any chemical manipulation of cannabis genetics. You may feel differently, and that’s fine by me. I learn more from those who disagree with me than those who agree with me. I’d talk with Ed and see if you can get any access to standard DP seeds, if any are available, just to keep it pure but again, you may feel different. The NL2 is going to provide the structure, internode spacing, resin, etc. while the DP will donate height, length of bud and give overall balance to the final product. Work that combo for 4-5 generations to standardize and provide phenotypic consistency and I'll bet you will end up with something quite special.
Hope you think that idea is worth the epic read this email entailed!
Take Care And Thanks,
Chuck U. Farley (my online nym)
slacker140
Well-Known Member
So you really have worked your southern lights for 20 years and you don't take cuttings?
Tolerance Break
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So he used to sell unworked crosses from other people's work...
I understand why that would rub you the wrong way, but as far as agregious behavior in the cannabis community goes, is it really that bad? Does everyone in the buissiness of seeds have a responsibility to move cannabis forward? The dude is in his 50s, all he knows is cannabis, and it doesn't seem like he has a passion for working crosses, which is why his menu has slimmed significantly. I'm not saying you should like the guy, but it just seems like the hate is disproportional to what he's done.
conor c
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To be fair i wouldnt trust todd either but each to there own
I wouldn't know if that's fair or not, to be honest. I see this weirdo/gamma's word salad posts so I can judge him on that. I don't have anything like that for this Todd. I found him and his seeds via some podcasts on youtube, this and other forums. I read a lot, I saw there's a lot of controversy but I have to say, I 've seen many of his posts, I've listened to him on podcasts and I honestly dont get the scammer/bad dude vibe. I do get the...don't know the words for this but I can tell he has been around a criminal element a long time. Does that make him bad, scammy, evil? No not necessarily, so, can you tell me conor c why you wouldn't trust him? I don't get it. I will say he gets a lot of dudes voicing out against him tho. I have 10 of his nl2 popped last week along with a couple of his f1's.
Funkentelechy
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Hey, watch what you say about weirdos. Those are my people. Weirdos create all the best stuff, sketchy people are a dime a dozen.
Tod McCormick seems sketchy as hell to me. That doesn't mean that there aren't legitimate genetics in his collection, sketchy people can have good stuff too. I'm going to sit back and let people less skepticle than I am grow his seeds and watch what they are getting out of his offerings. There are so many breeders out there that I will never have enough time to grow all the strains that I want to in my lifetime as it is.
Happy hunting! Hope you guys find something amazing.