after trying dyna gro im switching back to advanced nutrients 2 part

tree king said:

could someone please tell me why a post i made last night got deleted? i was responding to crazyhazey and i typed out a long post where i made some good points about why i use AN i dont understand why its gone

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nuglets said:

welcome to site politics man. notice how it's your thread tree but they erase your posts that had nothing wrong with them? notice how they erase my post that said thank you for showing me that advanced works? nut they don't erase homebrewers posts or that dude dickhead just dropping in and shooting off about dyna? welcome to the "new" RIU. censored for your viewing enjoyment.

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squarepush3r said:

probably because you were posting about selling stuff and how much money you get for selling pounds of weed.

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tree king said:

could someone please tell me why a post i made last night got deleted? i was responding to crazyhazey and i typed out a long post where i made some good points about why i use AN i dont understand why its gone

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crazyhazey said:

its not as much that they target weed growers but they lie to us(look up ANs history, its not very positive), false statistics and no guaranteed analysis(dyna has a guaranteed analysis). i dont think dyna is only for orchids, people use them to grow a variety of plants. believe it or not, plants really do like the same things, with the exception that weed is a acid loving plant. if your concerned about ratio, you can always mix nutrients. AN also releases many line of the same nutrients, just different cover art. yes, there is a thousand different nute lines you can use for mj but the idea of growing is to take as little as possible and make as much profit off growing. you cant be spending half your harvest on all their additives, you can easily get deficiencies by only using 1 bottle of AN(with the exception that sensi, i know people who use it and dont get deficiencies). AN has a better marketing department, not better nutrients. i have used their nutrients and got salt buildups that effected taste immensely, but some growers can avoid overfeeding with these nutes.

so you have the choice, you can either choose to advocate people overcharging weed growers and willingly lying on their descriptions, or you can pay a fraction of the price of AN and buy yourself something like Jacks Classic or any other trusted nutrient line. i wont go off saying what i approve of, but make sure they have a good background. ive been trying organic lines but some synthetics, in my experience i have liked using bontaicare and house and garden, even bloom booster worked better than AN for me and it was about 12 bucks for a bunch of it. but synthetics can be expensive, i try to stay organic for about 90% of my grow until the last weeks of flower when they really need as much as they can eat.

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crazyhazey said:

i havent used them for years but my bubba liked it a lot, may go back to it next year. which grow are you using the h&g on? and your grows have made me want to try out dyna, may run that this year if i can find a distributor down here, everyone sells like dutch master and bio bizz(which i have been thinking about trying lately)

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nuglets said:

well, phil showed us that you can use advanced products and get amazing results. lordjin showed us the exact same. i'm using advanced porducts and my plants look amazing. so i guess the reason that homebrewer burt the shit out of his plants was to either do it on purpose so he could sell more dyna grow or because of inexperience by a grower. those seem to be the only logical assumption one can make.

like i said before...i would like to thank all of those who showed me that advanced is a quality nutrient that can produce high quality buds when grown correctly. i have not run all of the nutrient companies but i will be taking my advice from people who have and who use advanced. not from people who burn crops with it and then blame the nutrient.

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tree king said:

squarepush the point i was making was hazy was saying AN was too expensive so i pointed out that if pounds are a certain price and your only paying an extra $50 for nutes than all you would need to get is an extra 4 grams or so to make up for the nute price. i wasnt marketing but i see how you could of took it that way. i just wish you deleted that sentence only and not the whole post cause its a bitch typing everything out again. no big deal its all good

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homebrewer said:

I'm testing H&G on my Dumpster strain. H&G seems like a canna-specific off-the-radar plant food that tends to have a following among people who know how to grow. My system is plug-and-play for quality plants foods, we'll see how Aqua Flakes does. It's doing well so far and the price is very reasonable.

If you spent as much time learning how to take cuttings as you do cluttering up threads, you probably wouldn't have issues taking cuttings.

Leave my name out of your posts. You have nothing to offer me or this thread. Got it?

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squarepush3r said:

ok, now I can't view any news posts past page 8 on this thread.... forum bug much?

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tree king said:

ok lets see if i can remember what i said before.

yeah so, i dont know the whole story about if they lied or whatever im just going by how the plants grow. its also a bitch for me to try out other nute companies too cause with other companies you dont add all the additives at the same rate and it sucks measuring everything. im still willing to try out another company but i havent dialed in AN yet. with AN you measure all additives at the same rate so its easy. 100% a&b, 50% everything else. i respect the common sense of how they do everything. also with AN theres nothing they dont carry so you dont have to buy anything from another company cause they have it already. like i said before the extra $50 a month or so you spend on AN you only have to get an extra 4 grams per pound to make up for the price and if AN increases yield like i see it does than im getting much more than an extra few grams so i end up making more money. i worded it better before but hopefully you get the gist of what im saying

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homebrewer said:

I'm testing H&G on my Dumpster strain. H&G seems like a canna-specific off-the-radar plant food that tends to have a following among people who know how to grow. My system is plug-and-play for quality plants foods, we'll see how Aqua Flakes does. It's doing well so far and the price is very reasonable.

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crazyhazey said:

i see what you mean, but are their additives really worth that much? unless your using sensi, your gonna need to buy separate bottles of feed or you face deficiencies, if you can get all those nutes from 1 bottle of nutes or a handfull of bat guano/EWC, why pay 50 dollars each for 2-3 bottles just for veg, and 2-4 bottle for flower? if you follow all of their advice, they can tell you some ridiculous things and you can find yourself broke, you could have spent that money on lights, strains, soil, or cheaper nutrients. it all breaks down to what they really need, and what that salt is synthesizing. AN takes what every other bottle of 1 part veg nutes has, and divides it into 2-3 separate bottles, and if you forget 1 of those bottles, you get a Mg/Cal/Boron deficiency(theres plenty of other deficiencies you could experience, just a few i have myself) that could have been avoided. you dont need a separate bottle of nutes for flower, or a bottle of nutes specialized for the first two weeks of flower and the last two weeks, they need the same food all of the time with the exception they want more P and K come flowering time. i dont make your choices, so i cant save you money. take it from a grower who used AN for 2 years, that shit isnt worth nearly as much as they sell it for, its like how they make iPhones for like 30 bucks in china(maybe more, maybe less, i suck with numbers). use it since its at your disposal, but if you try organics or a cleaner nutrient, compare it to some bud grown by AN nutes. i tried it years ago with the same strain, 2 clones. the one grown under bat guano and a bit of bloom booster had much smoother smoke than the clone grown under ANs Bloom and B52.

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crazyhazey said:

i see what you mean, but are their additives really worth that much? unless your using sensi, your gonna need to buy separate bottles of feed or you face deficiencies, if you can get all those nutes from 1 bottle of nutes or a handfull of bat guano/EWC, why pay 50 dollars each for 2-3 bottles just for veg, and 2-4 bottle for flower? if you follow all of their advice, they can tell you some ridiculous things and you can find yourself broke, you could have spent that money on lights, strains, soil, or cheaper nutrients. it all breaks down to what they really need, and what that salt is synthesizing. AN takes what every other bottle of 1 part veg nutes has, and divides it into 2-3 separate bottles, and if you forget 1 of those bottles, you get a Mg/Cal/Boron deficiency(theres plenty of other deficiencies you could experience, just a few i have myself) that could have been avoided. you dont need a separate bottle of nutes for flower, or a bottle of nutes specialized for the first two weeks of flower and the last two weeks, they need the same food all of the time with the exception they want more P and K come flowering time. i dont make your choices, so i cant save you money. take it from a grower who used AN for 2 years, that shit isnt worth nearly as much as they sell it for, its like how they make iPhones for like 30 bucks in china(maybe more, maybe less, i suck with numbers). use it since its at your disposal, but if you try organics or a cleaner nutrient, compare it to some bud grown by AN nutes. i tried it years ago with the same strain, 2 clones. the one grown under bat guano and a bit of bloom booster had much smoother smoke than the clone grown under ANs Bloom and B52.

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tree king said:

its not only about getting the nutes in one bottle its about getting everything in one bottle. no company is gonna sell a & b, bud candy, b vitamins, humic acid, seaweed in one bottle etc. the only extra thing you have to buy with AN is big bud/overdrive. every other additive is extra stuff that isnt included in any other companies base nutes. i totally disagree with the additives being expensive i just bought a 23l jug of bud candy for $240 how do you consider that expensive it will last me for years

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nuglets said:

i think the point me and tree are trying to make..and the same point that phillip and lordjin made is that if you grow it correctly then an is as good if not better than any other nute line out there. guys are getting amazing results with it. including myself. i'm gonna post some pics in my journal tonight crazey. check out how my plants are doing. you don't need all the AN additives...just like you don't need all additives made by any other nutrient company that makes the same claims on their bottles. that's a nutrient company's job. to sell nutes. all you have to do is understand the food and get what you need. experiment with how things affect your plants and go with what works for you. every nutrient company makes additives that you don't need or don't think you need. that's what shows me that homebrewer has no clue. how do you nuke a crop and then blame the nutrients when other people are getting great results with the same crop? then when someone shows pics of buds that are better than his using connoisseur he bashes them saying they look so so. come on man. that's a fraud.

also, i know homebrewer is lying cause he says that dyna is twice as concentrated as advanced. that is total BS man. advanced is super concentrated. i run it at about 35% recommended dosages to get the ppm levels i'm looking for. that's insane man. so basically it's really half the price listed. dyna grow is not that concentrated. that's probably why homebrewer fried his crops. he's using dosages to etermine his feedings. not ppm readings. homebrewer probably was feeding his plants like 2400ppm in flower. that's a rookie mistake on his part. i know house and garden is concentrated as well but even phillip said that it wasn't as concentrated as advanced.

use whatever works for you. that's my theory. i'm game to start testing nutes out over the years. i love experimenting. but homebrewer telling everyone all those lies is just pointless.

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