lowryders do have a veg state it is just very short, you can give them some veg nutes after week two if you want and they need them then switch to bloom around week 3 when they are showing sex. with organic soils with some nutes in them you may be able to switch veg nites altogether. bout to start my auto's here soon first experience with them but been doing a lot of research. most people say auto's dont need a whole lot of nutes