aeroponics clone help

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xskycamefalling

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ok so to start i made my own aeroponics cloner. i took clones from my mother outdoors on the 20th of September. the mother was healthy and i think is of a sativa strain.
anyway i followed all the recomendatinos on taking a clone all but the rooting gel/powder i only did this with the last one that was taken on the 22 the rest i used honey. anyway as of today oct 3rd ive seen no root growth at all.. i guess i should say that im not using the collars i took the clones and put them into netcups and placed hydroten around them. anyway as of now where i made my cut is turning a little brown/yellow dosent look like mold more like a bruising or something noticed this about 7 days in... the clones themselves look healthy.
only thing in my res is tap water phd to about 6-6.5 using the 3 drip vile so hard to be perfect but they look decently healthy 2 have a little purple showing on stem though and one now is starting to brown/yellow on the lower leaves. jw if this is normal and would it take longer than 2-3 weeks for them 2 even show sighns of starting to root.. if it helps the mother was just starting flower prolly about 2 weeks in.
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ahh guess i should also mention my pump is on 24/7 water is staying below 75 though kinda cold up here and my water heater has been kicking on so i know the water isent overly warm. they are also under 2 4' floros with 1 6500k and 1 2700k light in each
also my friend gave me a few seedlings he let go streched a bit. i through 2 of them into the netcups you should be able to see whats what but their in the front. just trying to find out if this is normal and if they look ok or if i should through them out and just put in the seedlings i got from my buddy.. is this an over watering problem or pythium?
 
superstoner1

superstoner1

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your cuttings are rotting and i would bet its the honey. you did say honey, right? what made you do this? and with just water there is no need to worry about ph, ph affects nutient uptake in roots, but you have no roots. and then with ph 6-6.5 is very high, especially for young plants that like a 5.5-5.7 range better for veg and early flower where they can get more of the needed nutes.
 
Bigz2277

Bigz2277

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plain water only. make sure temp stays down.

If you remove one of those netpots you should be getting sprayed a little, if not you do not have enough spray power. Why netpots? why not just get the ez-clone neoprine inserts and let the stem hang there full exposed to air and water like it should.
 
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xskycamefalling

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ok so to answer the top yes i used honey on all but one.. your saying they are rooting? bc i dont see any sighns of that other than the stem swelling at the end but like i said the brown at cut is bugging me just worried about it.. i did the honey bc ive used it many times in the past with clones to dirt and have had good success rates (trick from my grandma). you say the ph dosent matter but then you go on to tell me 6-6.5 is too high? u think i should lower too around 5 im confused they shouldent be taking any nutrients yet bc their is no root system formed

@bigz2277 they are getting soaked nothing to worry about their i got 22 sprayers and a 633 gph pump if i take a pot out the top of my container is soaked in a few seconds i actually prolly went a bit overboard with sprayers prolly could have setup 2 small systems with this pump i dident see the hydroten making much of a difference

can anyone confirm with first poster about them actually looking rdy 2 root? should i lower my ph?
 
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xskycamefalling

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well i just dropped ph to about 5-6 range with 3 drip vile so should be more around where you recomended
.i thought they might have been getting to wet so i guess that theory is out based on what you guys are saying.. when should i satart adding nutes to my res?

oh and why i used netpots is bc i was originally gunna through them in rockwool ph'ed but after doing some more indepth reading i found that usually leads to root rot in aero systems unless you take the rockwool back off next time around i prolly will invest in inserts but i was just going with what i had avalible at the time bc my mother was getting a little late into flowering
 
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superstoner1

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i dont think you read my post well. i said ROTTING, not rooting. and i said ph does not matter with just water but that when they do need nutes 6-6.5 is just too high, especially for young plants. i let ph go to 6.1 in late flower and never higher.
 
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xskycamefalling

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i just started fresh put seedlings in and then cut 4 new ones.. took cuts outside with alcohol wiped blade brought inside made next cut under water then dipped in rooting powder (however i doubt that will do any good) sense i dident have inserts i cut stiraphome (sp) and put into the netcups to act like inserts stems are hanging will post my results soon ill check on em in about a day or 2.. i think the ph is in the 7's tap water dident do anything too it this should be fine right until roots pop out? with this setup i should expect too see results in under 16 days correct? or should i go as long as like 25?
 
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PROF XAVIER

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I grow from clone to harvest with Aero and here is what works for me. Ditch that honey and get a good rooting gel like Clonex, this would be the biggest thing. Use reverse osmosis water and adjust PH to 5.5. Cover the clones and keep the humidity high for the first 3-4 days...around 75-80%. I like to foliar feed with a kelp/seaweed supplement, 1/4 strength. Keep the water cool, less then 70 degrees and make sure the system is light tight. If your using netpods and hydroton, you probably would have been better off using Rapid Rooter starter plugs or Rockwool instead of putting the clone right into the hydroton. 24/7 watering is fine, you could give your pump a 15 break every now and then, and the lights are good because you don't want too much light for the young clones. Taking a clone from a flowering plant is fine, but it will take even longer to root because of the light adjustment. Always use sterile equipment, never dip clones into the same bottle and then reuse the bottle....cross contamination effects can occur. With good conditions, rooting should take place in 5-7 days at which point you can begin to feed very light nutes to the new roots. Hope this helps.
 
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superstoner1

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PROF XAVIER said:
I grow from clone to harvest with Aero and here is what works for me. Ditch that honey and get a good rooting gel like Clonex, this would be the biggest thing. Use reverse osmosis water and adjust PH to 5.5. Cover the clones and keep the humidity high for the first 3-4 days...around 75-80%. I like to foliar feed with a kelp/seaweed supplement, 1/4 strength. Keep the water cool, less then 70 degrees and make sure the system is light tight. If your using netpods and hydroton, you probably would have been better off using Rapid Rooter starter plugs or Rockwool instead of putting the clone right into the hydroton. 24/7 watering is fine, you could give your pump a 15 break every now and then, and the lights are good because you don't want too much light for the young clones. Taking a clone from a flowering plant is fine, but it will take even longer to root because of the light adjustment. Always use sterile equipment, never dip clones into the same bottle and then reuse the bottle....cross contamination effects can occur. With good conditions, rooting should take place in 5-7 days at which point you can begin to feed very light nutes to the new roots. Hope this helps.
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you are working yourself to death for. plant that can easily grow on its own.
no need for phed water, no roots to absorb nutes and ph affects nute uptake in the roots
in aero there is no need for a dome or misting, mine never droop.
cuttings like warmer water to root, around mid 70's and no feeding. make them grow roots to search for food.
a cutting from flower should root in the same time as veg cuttings but will need time to reveg.
 
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xskycamefalling

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Ok so the 4 clones i took r still showing no sighns of rooting. changed my res once sense initial start I'm begining 2 think this might just b a harder strand 2 clone.. tips where i made cuts have that bruissed brown look 2 em foilege is still nice and green though and the rest of the stem is looking fine not sure any input from anyone?
 
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PROF XAVIER

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superstoner1 said:
you are working yourself to death for. plant that can easily grow on its own.
no need for phed water, no roots to absorb nutes and ph affects nute uptake in the roots
in aero there is no need for a dome or misting, mine never droop.
cuttings like warmer water to root, around mid 70's and no feeding. make them grow roots to search for food.
a cutting from flower should root in the same time as veg cuttings but will need time to reveg.
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Actually, it is quite easy. I'm sure if I let it alone, it would EVENTUALLY root, but I want the fastest rooting times possible. Environmental temps and humidity dictate whether you need a dome, so to each their own on grow rooms and conditions. Mid 70's temps in any hydro system is borderline for bacteria infection and algae growth. Cuttings still absorb SOME water before roots appear, so providing ph balanced water will speed up the process....roots grow to look for food AND water. Re-veg times on every strain I have grown takes MUCH longer than clones on a plant in veg mode, and these strains include both sativa and indica dominant strains. Different strains, different environments, different techniques....there are so many variables.
 
superstoner1

superstoner1

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ok, so explain to me why they need ph water and how it speeds up the process. ph affects nute uptake at the roots, you have no roots. it does not affect the upper plant when taken as just water.
 
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PROF XAVIER

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superstoner1 said:
ok, so explain to me why they need ph water and how it speeds up the process. ph affects nute uptake at the roots, you have no roots. it does not affect the upper plant when taken as just water.
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Well if your using a rooting gel like clonex which does have nutrients and trace minerals, then having the ph adjusted right from the get go would make sure the plant takes what it needs AS SOON as it needs it. Also, I would think starting off a plant at the right ph and continuing that ph through its life cycle would seem less stressful for the plant as fluctuations of ph can have a very negative impact on its growth cycle. I could be wrong, and I know I'm wrong alot.
 
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streets8r88

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first off don't worry about ph. ive had a problem cloning and finally made a diy bubble cloner for 20$ and 100% so far. just a tub of tap water, the chlorine helps kill bacteria and such. I added a few drops of hydrogen peroxide too. Just gotta put an airstone into the tub to give them oxygen. Only a little light too. Too much light and they just grow instead of root. The clonex works great too. I think it definately speeds up the rooting process. I re-applied when I swapped the water out. I swap the water every day the first few days and then every couple days after a little bit. They don't need any nutrients however until they pop any form of roots. They won't get all green again but it will help the roots get bigger fast. Good luck :)
 
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