ADL Honors George W. Bush With Its Highest Award

UncleBuck

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and thats the only choices the left allows, crippling regulations that install massive barriers to entry, or NO REGULATION AT ALL and a return to sweatshops, child labour and slavery.

your image, despite it's grainy black and white nature shows six people SEWING and they are all adults, men and women, with no chains in evidence.

ohh the horror.

i have no idea what you think that picture proves.
i'm guessing it's the triangle shirtwaist factory fire, a nice example of what lax regulations means for hard working americans who just wish to exit a burning building.
 

UncleBuck

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Thank gawd for FOX (which the Obama lemmings claim to know so much about without ever having watched the network). The Five which comes on at 4:00 pm is rated at the top. Fun to watch Bob Beckel get his ass handed to him daily and watch him lose it, throwing his tantrums he's so famous for but in the end, that mix of liberal and conservative commentators are the best of friends.
what mix? it's 4 conservatives and a fake liberal.

you're just not smart enough to know any better.
 

UncleBuck

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you'll never hear of the hundreds of good things he does with charity groups and programs like Wounded Warriors programs
hard to say there would still be enough wounded warriors unless bush had decided to send 4000+ americans to their deaths in a pointless conflict in iraq.

but you'll never make a peep about that, will ya?
 

kpmarine

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Fighting for punks like you so that you can have your freedom to spew your garbage and smoke your crack pipe.
They told me that when I signed up.Turns out you're not really defending freedom and mom's apple pie. Remind me again who has done more damage to our personal liberties: Terrorists or the The Patriot Act?
 

kpmarine

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If I had to choose between a man (Putin) who has pulled his country out of an embarrassing state of emotional and financial disarray post Cold War era, and a man who is sending his country into an abyss morally, culturally, and financially...... guess who I'd choose?
You like the guy that hates civil rights, that' s telling...
 

Dr Kynes

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i'm guessing it's the triangle shirtwaist factory fire, a nice example of what lax regulations means for hard working americans who just wish to exit a burning building.
really, is that what that is?

cuz i see one man sewing a Morning Suit Jacket, which is NOT a ladies "shirtwaist" blouse.

the garment draped on the table to the left appears to be a ladies gown

that image depicts what appears to be a small cottage sewing shop, probably a family tailoring business, not an industrial garment factory, unless you think factories do hand stitching at a kitchen table under floral wallpaper and framed art.

ohh thank you regulatory gods for sparing us from the evils of COTTAGE INDUSTRY and small business entrepreneurs.

blessed are the regulators for their puissance sweeps aside small and family businesses, making way for the purity of the corporate conglomerate and it's manifold abuses.

but wait, cryeth the left, "evil corporate bosses, triangle shirtwaist fire, union busters", and a litany of other bumpersticker slogans!

whence cometh the robber barons of the "guilded age" from GOVERNMENT REGULATIONS AND CONTRACTS which swept away all the small businesses because they couldnt compete with the giants thanks to their cozy confederacy with government, and their size, power, wealth and legal departments.

government created the corporatocracy that feeds on government, while government feeds on the corporatocracy in an endless cycle of mutual parasitism.

but you cant understand that, youre trapped in the "New Normal" of government deciding who can and cannot be in business.

except you. you sell dope for profit in violation of california law.

you have DODGED the regulations imposed on your chosen business model, and are in fact a criminal.

if your shoddy lighting or a poorly grounded ballast burns down your rented house and spreads to several other homes nearby, YOU will be exactly like the evil corporate bosses you sop despise, evading "common sense regulations" and putting others at risk for your own profit.

Edit:

Ohh Look, here's the same image without the deliberate distortions:



http://steinhardt.nyu.edu/historyintheclassroom/jacobriis

turns out this image was from the photo-essay "How The Other Half Lives" by Jacob Riis

this was taken in a tenement around 1890, NOT in a factory

funny how this image doesnt look like oppression to me, it looks like Poor Folks making ends meet.

did regulations abolish Poor Folks sometime since Bwana Obama became our village headman?
 

UncleBuck

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really, is that what that is?

cuz i see one man sewing a Morning Suit Jacket, which is NOT a ladies "shirtwaist" blouse.

the garment draped on the table to the left appears to be a ladies gown

that image depicts what appears to be a small cottage sewing shop, probably a family tailoring business, not an industrial garment factory, unless you think factories do hand stitching at a kitchen table under floral wallpaper and framed art.

ohh thank you regulatory gods for sparing us from the evils of COTTAGE INDUSTRY and small business entrepreneurs.

blessed are the regulators for their puissance sweeps aside small and family businesses, making way for the purity of the corporate conglomerate and it's manifold abuses.

but wait, cryeth the left, "evil corporate bosses, triangle shirtwaist fire, union busters", and a litany of other bumpersticker slogans!

whence cometh the robber barons of the "guilded age" from GOVERNMENT REGULATIONS AND CONTRACTS which swept away all the small businesses because they couldnt compete with the giants thanks to their cozy confederacy with government, and their size, power, wealth and legal departments.

government created the corporatocracy that feeds on government, while government feeds on the corporatocracy in an endless cycle of mutual parasitism.

but you cant understand that, youre trapped in the "New Normal" of government deciding who can and cannot be in business.

except you. you sell dope for profit in violation of california law.

you have DODGED the regulations imposed on your chosen business model, and are in fact a criminal.

if your shoddy lighting or a poorly grounded ballast burns down your rented house and spreads to several other homes nearby, YOU will be exactly like the evil corporate bosses you sop despise, evading "common sense regulations" and putting others at risk for your own profit.
blah blah blah.

all my electric was done by a qualified electrician, certified in OR and WA. all my ballasts are grounded, fire alarms installed, and insurance has been taken out on the whole affair. it's a cheap but very effective insurance policy.

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never sold a gram of cannabis in california, all of that gets done here in oregon, and i'm just counting the days until our dispensary bill takes effect.

now let's move on to some of your other retarded misconceptions, senor birch.

as i recall, you said something complainy and whiny about regulations and barriers to entry as it pertained to food service and retail of all things.

really? do you not like knowing your meat was stored at the proper temperature?

i see new restaurants and retail shops open up all the time, surely you are just being kind and teeing one up for me here.
 

Dr Kynes

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blah blah blah.

all my electric was done by a qualified electrician, certified in OR and WA. all my ballasts are grounded, fire alarms installed, and insurance has been taken out on the whole affair. it's a cheap but very effective insurance policy.

[youtube]STjMZz8gxbA[/youtube]

never sold a gram of cannabis in california, all of that gets done here in oregon, and i'm just counting the days until our dispensary bill takes effect.

now let's move on to some of your other retarded misconceptions, senor birch.

as i recall, you said something complainy and whiny about regulations and barriers to entry as it pertained to food service and retail of all things.

really? do you not like knowing your meat was stored at the proper temperature?

i see new restaurants and retail shops open up all the time, surely you are just being kind and teeing one up for me here.
really you see new family run restaurants and mom and pop shops opening up all the time?

you live in Mayberry now?
 

UncleBuck

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really you see new family run restaurants and mom and pop shops opening up all the time?

you live in Mayberry now?
yep, dozens of new restaurants around here since we got back from cali. lots of new restaurants and retails shops popping up all the time in cali, too.

just because you never leave your front porch besides to pick up some hot pockets from the 'liquor and groceries' down the street doesn't mean everyone shares your limited worldview.
 

Dr Kynes

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yep, dozens of new restaurants around here since we got back from cali. lots of new restaurants and retails shops popping up all the time in cali, too.

just because you never leave your front porch besides to pick up some hot pockets from the 'liquor and groceries' down the street doesn't mean everyone shares your limited worldview.



family run businesses springing up all over the place.

small business is alive and well.

only in Bucktopia.
 

Red1966

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So what your saying is you were offered an inferior loan and were smart enough to no accept it? I never said the industry didn't also share some culpability. The government encouraged them to offer loans to people who couldn't afford them, they made the loan mechanisms more beneficial to themselves as circumstances permitted. There are so many reasons for it, spread across politicians, bankers, consumers, and other folks that to lay it all on the feet of Bush is unrealistic.
I lay it all at the feet of Barney Frank. The government more encouraged them, they required them to make those loans.
 

ChesusRice

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You seem to be unaware of HUD, FHA, VA, Fannie Mae, and Freddie Mac
Fannie and Freddie are popularly portrayed as the villains that perpetrated the mortgage meltdown, when in fact they were simply the playing field. With investment banks in the skilled positions, lenders on the line and our political leaders coaching from the sidelines, private sector competition and innovation in the mortgage industry is the villain that led to the collapse. Remember, Fannie and Freddie purchase and securitize mortgage loans from banks and mortgage lenders, essentially creating the secondary market space for Mortgage Backed Securities (MBS). As the sellers of these loans, the banks and mortgage lenders are responsible for the quality of the loans they are selling. It was the sub-standard quality of the loans originated and underwritten by the banks and mortgage lenders that resulted in widespread defaults and caused the catastrophic losses at Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

Mortgage underwriting guidelines, limits, parameters, do’s and don’ts, time frames, fouls, requirements, all rules promulgated to create a uniform baseline for constructing quality loan files are vetted and published in Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac Selling Guides. These are the mortgage bibles from which all mortgage lending originates, private lending sources refer to these Selling Guides when constructing their own private lending guidelines, tweaking as their individual markets dictate. Eliminating Fannie and Freddie will erase the home base source from which mortgage rules come from, leaving market forces to determine what is necessary and what is not.

Replacing Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac as a constructive consequence to the mortgage meltdown is akin to pulling over when the check engine light comes on and changing a tire, the fix has nothing to do with the problem. Life after Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac will be pretty much what it is now, except more deregulated, more expensive and further behind the velvet ropes, other than that . . . we’re good.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/moneybuilder/2013/08/28/replacing-fannie-mae-and-freddie-mac-is-a-fix-that-has-nothing-to-do-with-the-problem/
 

ChesusRice

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You seem to be unaware of HUD, FHA, VA, Fannie Mae, and Freddie Mac
Maybe this will help, it tells you how to apply for a fannie mae loan. ( you can't)
[h=1]How to Apply For a Fannie Mae Loan[/h]Edited by Eco Girl, Darrelljon, LiamO, Davjohn and 3 others
Fannie Mae is a privately held, publicly traded company that works closely with the government to create lending opportunities for people who need mortgages. Fannie Mae does not lend money directly, but rather buys qualifying mortgages from lenders in what is called the secondary market. In order for Fannie Mae to guarantee a lender that the mortgage loan will be bought in the secondary market, the lender must ensure certain loan qualification criteria are met before approving a loan. In order to apply for a loan backed by Fannie Mae, you will have to follow these steps.

http://www.wikihow.com/Apply-For-a-Fannie-Mae-Loan
 

UncleBuck

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family run businesses springing up all over the place.

small business is alive and well.

only in Bucktopia.


these folks just opened a family run business here in hillsboro called rock-n-wingz. it's uber annoying to go in there since they are always blaring sammy hagar, but i endure it for the boneless jumbo wrap.

they are literally two doors down from a new thai food place, also family run.

go up to cornelius and evergreen and you will find a couple new thai places (family owned) and a cambodian place.

go back down to cornell and 25th and there is a new spanish food place (i think its guatemalan), basically right across and down the sytreet from rock-n-wingz.

that is surrounded by an indian food joint and a sushi place that have both been there for a year or two, all family owned.

go to downtown hillsboro and their is a new thai place there too, family owned.

the biggest tragedy though was when the H buffet went out of business after a short run. best chinese food buffet i've been to outside of vegas, and they let you carry out for $5 a pound ($7 a pound for seafood). it's OK though, i now go to javier's for breakfast burritos instead. they are a family owned little place that took over the building wendy's left behind.

get out and see the world once in a while outside the highway.
 

Dr Kynes

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Read the above
banks underwrote the loans. You have never purchased a house have you?
and you continue with your narrative.

either we continue with more of the same, incompetent bureaucrats making more rules and fucking up more of the market with their bullshit ideas, or we demolish every regulation and throw the poor "consumer" to the wolves.

thats how "deregulation" is used to get more regulations.

every now and then, the left faces attempts to reduce regulatory burdens, and when it gets to be too much they invoke "Compton Rules" (shouting "Domino Motherfucker!" no matter how badly you're losing, and flipping the table) and when the shitstorm occurs in the power vacuum, they blame "deregulation" and "republicans" for the mess.

thats the left's strategy and they have done it over and over.

they did it in Calif's electricity market, when they discovered popular support was for reducing the regulations that empowered the local monolpolies, they shouted "Compton Rules Motherfucker!" scrapped all regulations, and watched as their homeys took the signal to run in and rob the game.

while we were busy gettin buck naked, Enron and other gangsters, armed and equipped by decades of regulation, took our wallets, watches and rings.

sure, dice games do get robbed, but only after the democrats have disarmed the public with their "common sense regulations" can the robbery go down with absolute security for the gangsters.
 
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