Add water only soil recipes please

DonBrennon

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Read the Build a soil website blog and method, I've pretty much handed 2 years of 'Quality amendment' resourcing on a plate to you there, the full 'Coot mix', sourced in the UK, I'm undecided about the best/cost effective and available aeration substrate yet. Pumice is available here from bonsai shops, but it's f-in expensive.
 

Michael Huntherz

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Read the Build a soil website blog and method, I've pretty much handed 2 years of 'Quality amendment' resourcing on a plate to you there, the full 'Coot mix', sourced in the UK, I'm undecided about the best/cost effective and available aeration substrate yet. Pumice is available here from bonsai shops, but it's f-in expensive.
That's good advice, they have their shit together.
 

Fast dog

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Sorry bro, I missed this post earlier, but here's some of the best links you'll find for growing organically in the UK

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Organic-Worm-Cast-Worm-Humus-Castings-40litre-Bag-/261413660729?hash=item3cdd77e839:g:FUwAAOSwy-5XMhBH

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Organic-fertilizer-Chitin-super-soil-1-2-kg-better-than-crab-meal-grow-/301944638888?hash=item464d4d8da8:g:THcAAOSwnTJXApVe

For Neem, Kelp, Biochar and natural predators
http://www.thenaturalgardener.co.uk/index.php

I mainly use these for gypsum, but they've got all kinds of organic goodies
http://www.organiccatalogue.com/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=gypsum&search_in_description=0&sb=t&x=0&y=0

For rock dust, go to B&Q

For peat moss, your local garden centre would be best..................and ask them if they've got any straight compost, without any additions, it's often already bulked up with peat and fertilisers and if you can find an actual recipe for any of them anywhere, you're by far a better man than me.
No worries mate I think I know what I'm getting

PEAT
EWC
COMPOST
PERLITE CHUNKY
DOLO LIME
ROCK DUST
KELPMEAL
DRY FERT (not sure yet see what's available)
And maybe some alfalfa meal if I can find it mixing all up and adding 5 cups of mineral and nutritional amendments to every 7.5 gal of base mix moisten it let it cook for a month and hopefully that will be the end of bottled nutrients and PH'ing.
 

DonBrennon

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No worries mate I think I know what I'm getting

PEAT
EWC
COMPOST
PERLITE CHUNKY
DOLO LIME
ROCK DUST
KELPMEAL
DRY FERT (not sure yet see what's available)
And maybe some alfalfa meal if I can find it mixing all up and adding 5 cups of mineral and nutritional amendments to every 7.5 gal of base mix moisten it let it cook for a month and hopefully that will be the end of bottled nutrients and PH'ing.
You won't find alfalfa meal anywhere here, but you can get a big ass bag of pellets from any horse feed store. Check to make sure there's no additives in there though, supplements are added to a lot of them.
 

DonBrennon

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No worries mate I think I know what I'm getting

PEAT
EWC
COMPOST
PERLITE CHUNKY
DOLO LIME
ROCK DUST
KELPMEAL
DRY FERT (not sure yet see what's available)
And maybe some alfalfa meal if I can find it mixing all up and adding 5 cups of mineral and nutritional amendments to every 7.5 gal of base mix moisten it let it cook for a month and hopefully that will be the end of bottled nutrients and PH'ing.
The best dry ferts you can buy are crab, neem and kelp meals, and the links I gave you are the only place you can get em in the uk. You may find kelp elsewhere, but I can vouch for the quality of that particular product.

Forgot to mention, pet feed store for cheap oyster shell grit, grind in coffee grinder, oyster shell flour
 

Fast dog

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The best dry ferts you can buy are crab, neem and kelp meals, and the links I gave you are the only place you can get em in the uk. You may find kelp elsewhere, but I can vouch for the quality of that particular product.

Forgot to mention, pet feed store for cheap oyster shell grit, grind in coffee grinder, oyster shell flour
Cheers buddy ;)
 

MustangStudFarm

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I'm using Espoma Organic "*-Tone" products,
I was using Espoma last year. I found it to be a little harsh. I really think that all of the N was soluble and didnt have much of slow release N. What I mean is that the leaves would fade and curl around week #5 and it would go down-hill fairly fast from there. I was using it because it was very close to TGA's super-soil. Yes, I started off being a weed nerd.

I did a side by side with Build-a-Soil's craft blend, and the craft blend kept the leaves green until it was supposed to. I am not telling you to buy from this company, but the ingredients used are very close to what Grease told me to use. I finally feel like I can recycle my soil like I am supposed to like plant clones in it! I was buying this cheap bag soil because my recycled super-soil was burning everything. Probably PH issues or something, but I put that shit in my garden!

Here is Build-a-soil. It would be cheaper to source the amendments individually, but this is very convenient.

  • Brew All Around Balanced Nutrient Tea's for Veg - Flower (1/2 - 1 Cup Per 5 gallon Bucket of Water)
  • Re-Amend your used Organic Soil at 1-2 Cups Per Cubic Foot
  • Top Dress at 1/4 - 1 Cup Per Plant.
Ingredients all Equal by Weight:

  1. Acadian Kelp Meal
  2. Ahimsa Neem/Karanja Cake
  3. Alfalfa Meal
  4. CalPhos
  5. Camelina Meal
  6. Crustacean Meal
  7. Fish Meal
  8. 3x Fish Bone Meal
  9. Soybean Meal
  10. Sul-Po-Mag (Also Known as K-Mag or Langbeinite)
  11. Malted Barley Grains (3 Varieties)
  12. Azomite
  13. Basalt - Local Colorado
  14. Gypsum
  15. Oyster Flour
Adding up all of the Approximate NPK values published for these products from the manufacturer and then dividing by the amount of parts we end up with a very nice NPK guesstimate of 3-4-2. Once we get the blend tested we will publish actual results.
 

MustangStudFarm

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I got tired of the price of Build-a-soil and they use Azomite, which contains aluminum. So, I found another product that was very comparable to Espoma's price. Bio-Live from Down to Earth. This stuff is 1/2 the price of Build a soil!!!



Fish Bone Meal, Fish Meal, Alfalfa Meal, Crab Meal, Shrimp Meal, Langbeinite, Humates, Kelp Meal, Mycorrhizal Fungi and Beneficial Bacteria
 

MustangStudFarm

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Read the Build a soil website blog and method, I've pretty much handed 2 years of 'Quality amendment' resourcing on a plate to you there, the full 'Coot mix', sourced in the UK, I'm undecided about the best/cost effective and available aeration substrate yet. Pumice is available here from bonsai shops, but it's f-in expensive.
The only problem that I found on the "build a soil"website is that they say to use peat... I have not had problems with mine, but Grease said that peat likes to compact. I forgot to ask him about it, because I am using peat and expanded shale, but my stuff looks the best that it ever has... I have not finished my compost yet and my soil mix is based off of the 1/3... 1/3 soil, 1/3 compost, and 1/3 aeration. I mixed the soil and compost and let it age, added the aeration when I was ready to use it. It made it easier to store that way...
 

MustangStudFarm

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The reason that you should check Craigslist is because you can find free/cheap materials. I found a rabbit farm with 160 rabbits and the owner is a 70yr old guy that simply cannot upkeep his farm anymore. So, he put a Craigslist ad advertising free rabbit manure. I found free manure by the trailer load, literally...
 

MustangStudFarm

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add either peat, coco and aeration.
I was a little confused about peat. What are your thoughts about it in general. I saw that a lot of Cootz style methods are using peat.

I posted a lot on this thread and I normally dont do it often. I just felt like I had exp with both Espoma and Build-a-soil...
 

greasemonkeymann

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The only problem that I found on the "build a soil"website is that they say to use peat... I have not had problems with mine, but Grease said that peat likes to compact. I forgot to ask him about it, because I am using peat and expanded shale, but my stuff looks the best that it ever has... I have not finished my compost yet and my soil mix is based off of the 1/3... 1/3 soil, 1/3 compost, and 1/3 aeration. I mixed the soil and compost and let it age, added the aeration when I was ready to use it. It made it easier to store that way...
peat is ok to use, don't get me wrong, but if you have a large part of your mix as peat it does lead to problems, the aforementioned soil tension, and also the tendency to go acidic over time, but all that being said peat is the best substrate to use given it's high CEC,
BUT the best thing to use is leaf mold, pure leaf mold, it just takes about 3 yrs to make.
that's sorta why I have a modified leaf-compost, sorta the best of both worlds.
but you can use peat, absolutely, just make sure to mate it with a couple different types of aeration as well as another source of humus (ewc or compost)
 

greasemonkeymann

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I was a little confused about peat. What are your thoughts about it in general. I saw that a lot of Cootz style methods are using peat.

I posted a lot on this thread and I normally dont do it often. I just felt like I had exp with both Espoma and Build-a-soil...
I do like peat man, I didn't mean to give you the wrong impression.
I just prefer a leaf-compost to it, I still have peat in my mixes, and always will, it doesn't degrade much past what it already is, but once you get your compost done, you'll see what I mean, it's the best shit ever
plus you don't need to worry about cycling nutrients or ph swings
 

Michael Huntherz

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I was using Espoma last year. I found it to be a little harsh. I really think that all of the N was soluble and didnt have much of slow release N. What I mean is that the leaves would fade and curl around week #5 and it would go down-hill fairly fast from there. I was using it because it was very close to TGA's super-soil. Yes, I started off being a weed nerd.

I did a side by side with Build-a-Soil's craft blend, and the craft blend kept the leaves green until it was supposed to. I am not telling you to buy from this company, but the ingredients used are very close to what Grease told me to use. I finally feel like I can recycle my soil like I am supposed to like plant clones in it! I was buying this cheap bag soil because my recycled super-soil was burning everything. Probably PH issues or something, but I put that shit in my garden!

Here is Build-a-soil. It would be cheaper to source the amendments individually, but this is very convenient.

  • Brew All Around Balanced Nutrient Tea's for Veg - Flower (1/2 - 1 Cup Per 5 gallon Bucket of Water)
  • Re-Amend your used Organic Soil at 1-2 Cups Per Cubic Foot
  • Top Dress at 1/4 - 1 Cup Per Plant.
Ingredients all Equal by Weight:

  1. Acadian Kelp Meal
  2. Ahimsa Neem/Karanja Cake
  3. Alfalfa Meal
  4. CalPhos
  5. Camelina Meal
  6. Crustacean Meal
  7. Fish Meal
  8. 3x Fish Bone Meal
  9. Soybean Meal
  10. Sul-Po-Mag (Also Known as K-Mag or Langbeinite)
  11. Malted Barley Grains (3 Varieties)
  12. Azomite
  13. Basalt - Local Colorado
  14. Gypsum
  15. Oyster Flour
Adding up all of the Approximate NPK values published for these products from the manufacturer and then dividing by the amount of parts we end up with a very nice NPK guesstimate of 3-4-2. Once we get the blend tested we will publish actual results.
I'm in week 3 now, I'm not above adding some nutes, if they start struggling, I'll keep that in mind. Thanks for the info!
 

MustangStudFarm

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I'm in week 3 now, I'm not above adding some nutes, if they start struggling, I'll keep that in mind. Thanks for the info!
I found that a good top-dressing of worm castings really help. Do you have any leaf curl? I always got yellow and curled leaves in the end when I used Espoma and dolomite. I am not trying to say that you are doing anything wrong, but I feel like I have been down the exact road(espoma) that you are on. If you start having problems during the middle to the end of harvest, you might look into trading bone/blood meal for fish/fish bone meal. It is the cool thing about organics, you have options for a source of amendments.

Espoma is a slaughter house by-product and a lot of people look down on it for that alone. It really does not bother me because I feel like it would be wasteful to not use the by-product, just maybe not on my weed or veggies.

@greasemonkeymann got me off of the stuff pretty quick when he mentioned mad cow disease!!!
 

Yodaweed

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I got tired of the price of Build-a-soil and they use Azomite, which contains aluminum. So, I found another product that was very comparable to Espoma's price. Bio-Live from Down to Earth. This stuff is 1/2 the price of Build a soil!!!



Fish Bone Meal, Fish Meal, Alfalfa Meal, Crab Meal, Shrimp Meal, Langbeinite, Humates, Kelp Meal, Mycorrhizal Fungi and Beneficial Bacteria
Bio-live is a fertilizer, Azomite is a soil mineralizer, they are two completely different things. I'd suggest you getting some basalt or rock dust and adding it to your mix.
 

old shol4evr

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how much easier can you get man?
craigslist for the compost and manure, and buy a bag of promix
done deal.
can't get much easier than that.
im with monkey on this one,compost and manure,goes a long ways,im sure you check around you can find folk setting leaves and grass clipping in bags for the city to roll by and pickup,throw in a big ole pile and add your veggie and fruit scraps in it,turn every other week,be surprised what you come ip with,leave that same pile for a year you will come out to soil that looks like ewc,all free friend
 

old shol4evr

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Read the Build a soil website blog and method, I've pretty much handed 2 years of 'Quality amendment' resourcing on a plate to you there, the full 'Coot mix', sourced in the UK, I'm undecided about the best/cost effective and available aeration substrate yet. Pumice is available here from bonsai shops, but it's f-in expensive.
fact is everything cost friend,point to take is when you build it right,you dont have to do it again in quite some time,so if it turns out to a 400 dollar build ,so be it,them nutes you dont want to use are 100 min to get threw a grow,do the math of that 100 every 4 months,versus the 400 for 5 years minimum out of your soil before amending,keep the bioligy in check and feed them beannies what they want,and there is no amending
 
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