desert dude
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You might be right, I have no experience to back up my guess work.
Actual Value of Marijuana?
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angelsbandit
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Even if it passes the Federal Government will be a thorn in the side of California, and will block this for years.
They have already said they will not honor California's law if passed.
""We will vigorously enforce the [federal Controlled Substances Act] against those individuals and organizations that possess, manufacture or distribute marijuana for recreational use, even if such activities are permitted under state law," the Times quoted Holder as writing in a letter to former heads of the Drug Enforcement Administration who had lobbied for the Obama administration to oppose Proposition 19"
They have already said they will not honor California's law if passed.
""We will vigorously enforce the [federal Controlled Substances Act] against those individuals and organizations that possess, manufacture or distribute marijuana for recreational use, even if such activities are permitted under state law," the Times quoted Holder as writing in a letter to former heads of the Drug Enforcement Administration who had lobbied for the Obama administration to oppose Proposition 19"
desert dude
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True, but that is no reason to vote against 19, that is all the more reason to vote for 19. We need to end the drug war, and that will only be done by the people because the politicians are too cowardly and the drug warriors are too invested. We need to provoke a showdown with the federal government over this issue to get the ball rolling.
angelsbandit
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Most Americans still oppose legalized Marijuana, until that changes the Federal Government will not change it's stance.
desert dude
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So what? Legalize it in CA and see what happens in the other states.
Dan Kone
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I've done hydro, dirt, indoor, outdoor, greenhouse. I'm positive. Just nutrient/soil costs + trimming put you around $500 per pound. Even doing outdoor if you add in labor costs for growing it, property costs, etc you're probably around $750 per pound minimum. Commercial larger scale growing isn't the same thing as throwing a few plants in your back yard and basically growing them for free. There are a lot more things to consider when you grow on a larger scale for the purpose of putting out a sell-able product.
You could produce pounds cheaper than that, but the quality wouldn't be anything California market would be interested in.
desert dude
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I will defer to your experience in the matter.
who exactly is going to prison to support my lifestyle? med patients?
BluffinCali
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You actually think that indoor pot is worth 4x what outdoor pot is worth, thats just funny, I mean there is for sure more of a demand for indoor weed, but the price will be relative to quality, where and how its grown will be a small determining factor. I bet the common person right now would be surprised at the amount of outdoor weed that is passed of as indoor just because of the higher demands and lack of understanding...nothing beats the sun, as long as you have a clean evirionment.
BluffinCali
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It doesnt matter anyways, Prop19 isnt going to pass, not enough support in the medical community for it really to have a chance...My opinion is we still be better off waiting until 2012 for the JH legislation...although Im basicly against prop19, in a weird way I wouldnt mind if it passed, assuming that all these positive assumptions about its effects are correct, only time will tell, but lets all hope for the best regardless of what happens...Happy harvesting, Peace!
nathenking
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very well said... there is pros and cons to it passing or not paasing.... all we can do is hurry up and wait...lol
mccumcumber
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The feds won't support 19, but that doesn't mean that the feds supported 215 when it first started either. Look what's happening now. It's not like the feds are going to waste their time going after small time growers either, especially since the local law enforcement won't be able to help them. Sure, the initial big grows will be taken down, but they will keep popping up afterwards. Bud legalization is like herpes, once it gets in the system it's not going away.
nathenking
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they will get raided until the election of 2012 that is for sure.... obama can not risk looking even more out of control if he even stands a chance at getting reelected.... its all politics bro.... they can find a 100 million dollars in one of there bail out programs easily to through at this issue, as well as fight it legally.... it wont be a walk in the park that is for sure... i do feel bad for those folks that are gonna start warehouse grows, cause they will get popped and charged for atleast the next 3-5 years.... talk about loosing everything...
mccumcumber
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Eh, the people supporting it seem super confident that they're going to win the lawsuit, I personally don't think they will, but hey, less attention toward my grow and more toward that warehouse makes me a happy camper!
nathenking
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no doubt... they aint gonna win in these times, maybe when times are good, but not in the current political climate....
It's right here if you have not read it. (section 11300 , 3rd clause)
http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/Text_of_Proposition_19,_the_"Regulate,_Control_and_Tax_Cannabis_Act_of_2010"_(California)
Possess on the premises where grown the living and harvested plants and results of any harvest and processing of plants lawfully cultivated pursuant to section 11300(a)(ii), for personal consumption.
section a ii is just saying that you can grow in a 25 square foot area.
I feel like a lawyer now.
desert dude
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Almost 80,000 arrests in California last year. Some of them went to jail, some of them got a misdemeanor on their record that stays with them for the rest of their lives, some got a felony. If you are voting against 19 just to keep the price high, then those 80,000 are on your conscience.who exactly is going to prison to support my lifestyle? med patients?
mccumcumber
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He's actually said before that he's voting against 19 because he doesn't agree with the taxation. The price wouldn't go down immediately, in fact, most growers would be able to benefit initially because people would stop being pussies and actually buy an ounce.
I am personally for 19, because I do not plan on buying the taxed weed anyway. Though people claim there are new felonies with 19 I'm pretty sure those felonies have been in place since 2000, except for the one that adds jail time for a 21+ selling to a 17-, which I don't really mind. That just eliminates the losers selling at high-schools imo.
mr2shim
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Completely agree.