active microbial composting in the 20th century

Joedank

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hello all welcome to an open discussion on advanced composting...basic questions may be ignored or scoffed at depending on altitude...
i will begin with my own methods... this is NOT THE WAY just another way...

these are my composting containers made from old pallets and a mix of
40% greens 40% browns and 20% old roots and soil....


i also do a separate pile of leaves for the microbial bounty it brings (the colorado pile is puny compared to my cali pile....

i like to chop up the bigger browns into small pieces with a royer shredder or a shovel....
then i water with a bacteria and microbial tea from:
50 gallons water
1lbs earthworm castings
5lbs HOT compost or biopac compost starter
4 cups sucanate and barleymalt mixed...
bubble or not for 2-4days or hours if you got NO time...
it will kickstart your heap fast to cover it with a tarp and let it rock for a week then uncover for a day then cover then let it rock for a month and rewater and turn if needed... if it is not hot enough for your liking i add some greens and hay mixed with water let sit for a week or so it heats up !! here are some pics ... i will stop here for this post ... my next shall be about selective composting and why.... also alittle about my hero rudolf steiner..
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i add old soil to the compost and shake out the perilite and roots to add to water cuz perilite floats and roots sink...


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stumps

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I'm just getting started with my compost. I'll be composting to feed worms. castings and worm jucie are my main goals. I'm using yard grass, feild grass, leaf all but the wallnut, shredded news paper, veg scraps, dryer lint and chicken and horse shit. I'm going to dbl my chickens so I have to clean the coop more often and there are dry lots aplenty around me. looking forward to seeing what you have going on.
 

snew

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You have beutiful compost there looking forward to learn about composting in the 21st century.

I generally have 3-5x5 bins of mulched oak leaf every fall. I water and add vegative matter, egg shells, yard waste, etc throughout the year. Wet it and turn it. I sift my compost and add the leftovers from sifting back to the pile. It makes a great compost but takes a while.
So this summer I started getting coffee grounds from a donuts shop. I get 10-30 gallons of coffee with filters every week. I have used about 50 gallons of coffee grounds with about 2/3 of my leaves this fall, I put a couple of shovels of active compost stuff left from shifting with the old compost. The amount of heat generated the pile is intense, the pile has shrunk by about 40% in 1 week. So the pile that has take about a year should be ready in the spring.
I would like to add animal waste to the mix, but supplement my garden with manure outside and EWC I raise inside. I have been very happy with my compost but always open to learn more.

So whats your time frame for complete compost?
 

Indicator

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Good looking stuff there! Like your hay and greens, I have found alfalfa helpful in heating things up.
 

Joedank

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Snew you gotta get a worm bin they LOVE coffee grounds that with some coco and they will make cocoons like you won't believe !!! Worm poop is composting in the 21st century!!

Currently we are working on feeding the worms high nitro foods like cottonseed meal and alfalfa meal ... Calcium and potassium complexes too they love it ... Wanna get a potential nitrogen meter to check it and get the mix just right...
 

Joedank

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Snew you gotta get a worm bin they LOVE coffee grounds that with some coco and they will make cocoons like you won't believe !!! Worm poop is composting in the 21st century!!

Currently we are working on feeding the worms high nitro foods like cottonseed meal and alfalfa meal ... Calcium and potassium complexes too they love it ... Wanna get a potential nitrogen meter to check it and get the mix just right...
 

Joedank

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The humic fulvic complex is amazing but my whole reason for doing composting is cation exchange here is a little info from Washington state to get us on the same page...
Edit: I use the clay complex azomite as a additive to my compost and soils 50 lb bags go faster than I thought !
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Cation-Exchange Capacity (CEC)
Cation-exchange capacity is defined as the degree to which a soil can adsorb and exchange cations.
Cation-a positively charged ion (NH4+, K+, Ca2+, Fe2+, etc...)
Anion-a negatively charged ion (NO3-, PO42-, SO42-, etc...)
Soil particles and organic matter have negative charges on their surfaces.* Mineral cations can adsorb to the negative surface charges or the inorganic and organic soil particles.* Once adsorbed, these minerals are not easily lost when the soil is leached by water and they also provide a nutrient reserve available to plant roots.
These minerals can then be replaced or exchanged by other cations (i.e., cation exchange)
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CEC is highly dependent upon soil texture and organic matter content. In general, the more clay and organic matter in the soil, the higher the CEC.* Clay content is important because these small particles have a high ration of surface area to volume.* Different types of clays also vary in CEC.* Smectites have the highest CEC (80-100 millequivalents 100 g-1), followed by illites (15-40 meq 100 g-1) and kaolinites (3-15 meq 100 g-1).
Examples of CEC values for different soil textures are as follows:
Soil texture
*CEC (meq/100g soi)

Sands (light-colored) 3-5
Sands (dark-colored) 10-20
Loams 10-15
Silt loams 15-25
Clay and clay loams 20-50
Organic soils 50-100
In general, the CEC of most soils increases with an increase in soil pH.**
Two factors determine the relative proportions of the different cations adsorbed by clays. First, cations are not held equally tight by the soil colloids. When the cations are present in equivalent amounts, the order of strength of adsorption is Al3+ > Ca2+ > Mg2+ > K+ = NH4+ > Na+.
Second, the relative concentrations of the cations in soil solution helps determine the degree of adsorption.* Very acid soils will have high concentrations of H+ and Al3+. In neutral to moderately alkaline soils, Ca2+ and Mg2+ dominate. Poorly drained arid soils may adsorb Na in very high quantities.*
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Base Saturation
The proportion of CEC satisfied by basic cations (Ca, Mg, K, and Na) is termed percentage base saturation (BS%). This property is inversely related to soil acidity.* As the BS% increases, the pH increases. High base saturation is preferred but not essential for tree fruit production.* The availability of nutrient cations such as Ca, Mg, and K to plants increases with increasing BS%.
Base saturation is usually close to 100% in arid region soils.* Base saturation below 100% indicates that part of the CEC is occupied by hydrogen and/or aluminum ions.* Base saturation above 100% indicates that soluble salts or lime may be present, or that there is a procedural problem with the analysis.
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CEC and Availability of Nutrients
Exchangeable cations, as mentioned above, may become available to plants.* Plant roots also possess cation exchange capacity.* Hydrogen ions from the root hairs and microorganisms may replace nutrient cations from the exchange complex on soil colloids.* The nutrient cations are then released into the soil solution where they can be taken up by the adsorptive surfaces of roots and soil organisms. They may however, be lost from the system by drainage water.
Additionally, high levels of one nutrient may influence uptake of another (antagonistic relationship).* For example, K uptake by plants is limited by high levels of Ca in some soils.* High levels of K can in turn, limit Mg uptake even if Mg levels in soil are high.
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Anion Exchange
In contrast to CEC, AEC is the degree to which a soil can adsorb and exchange anions.* AEC increases as soil pH decreases.* The pH of most productive soils in the US and Canada is usually too high (exceptions are for volcanic soils) for full development of AEC and thus it generally plays a minor role in supplying plants with anions.
Because the AEC of most agricultural soils is small compared to their CEC, mineral anions such as nitrate (NO3- and Cl-) are repelled by the negative charge on soil colloids.* These ions remain mobile in the soil solution and thus are susceptible to leaching.

Ok so now what do you care right??? Well without getting too hippy dilly ^^^€ this affects favinoid and terpene production and a host of other processes...;) more to come with ....
 

Joedank

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So this is alittle more technical but still an easy to read cut an paste job ;)CEC, as reported by nearly all soil testing laboratories, is a calculated value that is an estimate of the soils ability to attract, retain, and exchange cation elements. It is reported in millequivalents per 100 grams of soil (meq/100g).

In order for a plant to absorb nutrients, the nutrients must be dissolved. When nutrients are dissolved, they are in a form called "ions". This simply means that they have electrical charges. As an example table salt is sodium chloride (NaCl), when it dissolves it becomes two ions; one of sodium (Na+) and one of chloride (Cl-). The small + and - signs with the Na and the Cl indicate the type of electrical charges associated with these ions. In this example, the sodium has a plus charge and is called a "cation". The chloride has a negative charge is called an "anion". Since, in soil chemistry "opposites attract" and "likes repel", nutrients in the ionic form can be attracted to any opposite charges present in soil.

Soil is made up of many components. A significant percentage of most soil is clay. Organic matter, while a small percentage of most soil is also important for several reasons. Both of these soil fractions have a large number of negative charges on their surface, thus they attract cation elements and contribute to a higher CEC. At the same time, they also repel anion nutrients ("like" charges).

Some important elements with a positive electrical charge in their plant-available form include potassium (K+), ammonium (NH4+), magnesium ( Mg++), calcium (Ca++), zinc (Zn+), manganese (Mn++), iron (Fe++), copper (Cu+) and hydrogen (H+). While hydrogen is not a nutrient, it affects the degree of acidity (pH) of the soil, so it is also important. Some other nutrients have a negative electrical charge in their plant-available form. These are called anions and include nitrate (NO3-), phosphate (H2PO4- and HPO4--), sulfate (SO4-), borate (BO3-), and molybdate (MoO4--). Phosphates are unique among the negatively charged anions, in that they are not mobile in the soil. This is because they are highly reactive, and nearly all of them will combine with other elements or compounds in the soil, other than clay and organic matter. The resulting compounds are not soluble, thus they precipitate out of soil solution. In this state, they are unavailable to plants, and form the phosphorus "reserve" in the soil.



Larger CEC values indicate that a soil has a greater capacity to hold cations. Therefore, it requires higher rates of fertilizer or lime to change a high CEC soil. When a high CEC soil has good test levels, it offers a large nutrient reserve. However, when it is poor, it can take a large amount of fertilizer or lime to correct that soil test. A high CEC soil requires a higher soil cation level, or soil test, to provide adequate crop nutrition. Low CEC soils hold fewer nutrients, and will likely be subject to leaching of mobile "anion" nutrients. These soils may benefit from split applications of several nutrients. The particular CEC of a soil is neither good nor bad, but knowing it is a valuable management tool.

The following, is data on how CEC is calculated at Spectrum Analytic.

Milli-equivalents (Meq.) of Selected Cations and Their Equivalent ppm
Cation
Atomic Weight
Valence
Milli-equivalents
Equivalent
ppm
Lbs/acre
H+
1
1
1
10
20
Ca++
40
2
20
200
400
Mg++
24
2
12
120
240
K+
39
1
39
390
780
NH4+
18
1
18
180
360
Al+++
27
3
9
90
180
Zn++
65
2
32.5
325
650
Mn++
55
2
27.5
275
550
Fe++
56
2
28
280
560
Cu++
64
2
32
320
640
Na+
23
1
23
230
460
Cation Exchange Capacity (C.E.C.) Calculation
On July 1, 2005, we began to report K, Ca, and Mg in Mehlich 3 ppm as well as our old method of reporting. When we did this we kept the same CEC calculations that we did on our old reports. Therefore, if you are getting a report that has Mehlich 3 ppm K, Ca and Mg reported in ppm you will need to use the following formulas to recalculate to our old converted reporting numbers. Below you will find the formulas.

Lbs K = (M3 K ppm × 0.84) × 2

Lbs Ca = (M3 Ca ppm × 0.75) × 2

Lbs Mg = (M3 Mg ppm × 0.88) × 2

METHOD 1: Use if a buffer pH (BpH) is available.

C.E.C. = (lb K ÷ 780) + (lb Mg ÷ 240) + (lb Ca ÷ 400) + [12 × (7 - BpH)]*
* If buffer pH is 7.0 or greater, use a 0 value as the remainder...Example: (7.0 - 7.1) = 0

METHOD 2: Use if Buffer pH is not available.

C.E.C. = [(lb K ÷ 780) + (lb Mg ÷ 240) + (lb Ca ÷ 400)] × Factor
Multiplication factors to use in method 2

If pH is
Use Factor*
7.3 or higher
1.00
7.2
1.05
7.1
1.10
7.0
1.15
6.9
1.17
6.8
1.20
6.7
1.22
6.6
1.25
6.5
1.28
6.4 or less
Use Method I
* The multiplication factor accounts for other cations

Percent Saturation
Both Percent Nutrient Saturation and Percent Base Saturation refer to a measurement, or estimate of the percent of the soil CEC that is occupied by a particular nutrient (nutrient saturation), or the sum of a group of nutrients (base saturation). This information gives us another tool to use in predicting the soils ability to provide adequate crop nutrients, and indicate needed changes in fertilizer or lime programs. A simplified example of percent saturation would be where a soil is capable of holding 100 cations and these 100 "exchange sites" are occupied by the following nutrients.

Nutrient
Nutrient Quantity (meq)
Nutrient Saturation
Base Saturation
Calcium (Ca++ )
67
67%
Sum of nutrient saturation of Ca, Mg, and K
67 + 15 + 3 = 85%
Magnesium (Mg++ )
15
15%
Potassium (K+ )
3
3%
Hydrogen (H+ )
12
12%
Others*
3
3%
Total
100
100%
*Includes Iron (Fe++), Manganese (Mn++), Copper (Cu++), Zinc (Zn++), Sodium (Na+), Aluminum (Al+++), and others.

The percent Nutrient Saturation is the saturation of the individual elements. The percent Base Saturation is the combined percent saturation of the three major cations that have a basic or alkaline reaction (K+, Ca++, and Mg++).

Since a soil test report is typically not measuring and reporting all of the cations that are in the soil, it is common for the sum of the measured cations to add up to less than 100%. Also, when the soil pH is above about pH 7.2, the sum of the cation saturation's may add up to more than 100%. This is because there is likely to be "free" Ca, Mg, and/or Na (unattached to the soil exchange complex) in the soil that is unavoidably extracted by the soil testing process.

Optimum Percent Saturation Ranges
There is some disagreement among agronomists about the value of using "optimum" percent saturation ranges of soil cation nutrients. One school of thought holds that it is very important that the soil contain a specific saturation, or ratio of saturations for each of the major cation nutrients (Ca, Mg, and K). Practitioners of this approach will make recommendations designed to adjust the soil to specific saturation levels. The opposing view is that there can be a wide range of saturation for each of these major cations, with no significant benefit to having particular saturation levels or ratio of saturation levels. The evidence suggests that the primary need is for an adequate amount of each nutrient, regardless of the resulting percent saturation, and that the desired saturation range can be quite broad. To the degree that there is an "ideal" percent saturation range or ratio of cation nutrients, it would be affected by several other factors such as any unique characteristics of a plant species, the intended use of the plants, the nature of the soil itself, and others. Our experience suggests that both the "pounds per acre" and the "percent saturation" philosophies have some merit in different situations, and that both should play a role in making recommendations.

Given that targets for percent saturation's can have some flexibility, the following table lists some suggested saturation ranges that would likely be considered acceptable by most agronomists.

Soil CEC
% K
% Ca
% Mg
0-5
4-6
50-70
10-20
6-10
3-5
50-70
8-20
11-15
3-4
50-70
8-20
16-20
2-4
50-70
8-20
21-25
2-4
50-70
8-20
26-30
1.5-3
50-70
5-20
30+
1.5-3
50-70
5-20
Keep in mind that when the soil CEC is between 0 and about 3, the percent saturation has less meaning agronomically. This is because the holding power of the soil is so low that even a deficient amount of a cation nutrient could result in a relatively high saturation. In those cases, the soil test is telling us that we should consider making multiple split applications of those cations needed in large amounts, because the soil in unable to retain any significant amount from a single application. One analogy that seems to illustrate how percent saturation works is comparing it to an irrigation system. The amount of the nutrient is similar to the amount of water applied in irrigation, while the percent saturation is similar to the water pressure of the irrigation system. The amount of water is most critical, but the water pressure plays an important role.

Soil pH and Buffer pH
Soil pH This is a measure of the soil acidity or alkalinity and is sometimes called the soil "water" pH. This is because it is a measure of the pH of the soil solution, which is considered the active pH that affects plant growth. Soil pH is the foundation of essentially all soil chemistry and nutrient reaction and should be the first consideration when evaluating a soil test. The total range of the pH scale is from 0 to 14. Values below the mid-point (pH 7.0) are acidic and those above pH 7.0 are alkaline. A soil pH of 7.0 is considered to be neutral. Most plants perform best in a soil that is slightly acid to neutral (pH 6.0 to 7.0). Some plants like blueberries require the soil to be more acid (pH 4.5 to 5.5), and others, like alfalfa will tolerate a slightly alkaline soil (pH 7.0-7.5).

The soil pH scale is logarithmic, meaning that each whole number is a factor of 10 larger or smaller than the ones next to it. For example if a soil has a pH of 6.5 and this pH is lowered to pH 5.5, the acid content of that soil is increased 10-fold. If the pH is lowered further to pH 4.5, the acid content becomes 100 times greater than at pH 6.5. The logarithmic nature of the pH scale means that small changes in a soil pH can have large effects on nutrient availability and plant growth.

Buffer pH (BpH) This is a value that is generated in the laboratory, it is not an existing feature of the soil. Laboratories perform this test in order to develop lime recommendations, and it actually has no other practical value.

In basic terms, the BpH is the resulting sample pH after the laboratory has added a liming material. In this test, the laboratory adds a chemical mixture called a buffering solution. This solution functions like extremely fast-acting lime. Each soil sample receives the same amount of buffering solution; therefore the resulting pH is different for each sample. To determine a lime recommendation, the laboratory looks at the difference between the original soil pH and the ending pH after the buffering solution has reacted with the soil. If the difference between the two pH measurements is large, it means that the soil pH is easily changed, and a low rate of lime will suffice. If the soil pH changes only a little after the buffering solution has reacted, it means that the soil pH is difficult to change and a larger lime addition is needed to reach the desired pH for the crop.

So does ph matter in soil beyond a general target? Will ph affect flavor ? Let's probe deeper an find out!
 

Joedank

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Composting kelp anyone?? This is a good read!!
ABSTRACT: Several types of plant biostimulants exist but plants generally are capable of producing those they need. In many instances, however, it has been demonstrated that their external additions by foliar spray or to roots has provided added benefits to plants. The scientific studies in this field have been going on for close to 70 years but there are still unknowns and commercialization has been relatively minor. Growth inhibitors are about as important as growth stimulators. Some plant residues like seaweed, kudsu, and yucca are believed to be good sources of some biostimulants. Processed humic acid is marketed with some claims of stimulation. The on going debate about whether compost is more valuable than uncomposted materials involves the possibility that some microbes produce biostimulants in the composting process. There is some reason to expect that use of materials by soil application that contain biostimulants can often be a best management practice to interact favorably with other such products to improve the efficiency of crop production. More research is needed.

Among the legal definitions of the California Department of Food and Agriculture is one for Auxiliary Soil and Plant Substances: " any chemical or biological substance or mixture of substances distributed in this state to be applied to soil, plants, or seeds for soil corrective purposes; of which is intended to improve germination, growth, yield, product quality, reproduction, flavor, or other desirable characteristics plants; or which is intended to produce any chemical, biochemical, biological, or physical change in soil. Does not include commercial fertilizers, agricultural minerals, soil amendments, or manure's. This category includes all of the following: Synthetic polyelectrlytes, lignin or humus preparations, wetting agents, to promote water penetration, bacterial inoculants, microbial products, soil binding agents, and biotics. Biotics are all materials for which claims are made relating to organisms, enzymes, or organism by-products."

Several different types of products are included in this list. Only those which are considered as biostimulants are the subject of this paper. This brief discussion is an introduction only to a broad field of study which has resulted in some but not enormous technologies. a more comprehensive review in the near future is warranted especially since one of the goals of biotechnology is to produce biostimulants to enhance plant growth. Microbes and enzymes are not considered in this report. By and large, foliar applications of substances which may stimulate growth or fruiting are not specifically considered at this time. Of concern mostly are those that may be applied in soil or both ways.

Many reports exist where claims are made for certain natural products like kelp (Smitte 1991), kudsu, and yucca to have stimulating effects on plants when applied to soil usually in very small quantities. humus products derived from alkaline solutions of lingites often with some oxidation are claimed to have similar effects. Some composts are believed to contain biostimulants which is a basis for claiming that adding composts to soil is better than adding non composted materials. when stimulation occurs, it is the result of some specific compound usually identifiable. Usually plants, but differentially, are able to synthesize needed "phytohormones". Some specific categories are gibberellins, cytkinins, and auxins. "Roots" is a popular product that claims biostimulation which is partly caused by the iron which it contains(Schmidt 1990).

The gibberellins have been known, researched, and used on a limited commercial scale since the 1920s (Stowe and Yamaki 1957) or about 70 years. This parallels the pattern for many other technologies (fertilizers and water-soluble polymers in agriculture) when many decades go by before general acceptance.

"Biostimulants are materials that promote plant growth when applied in small quantities. They also help plants withstand harsh environments. The best biostimulants that we have encountered for enhancing turfgrass growth are cytokinins (plant-synthesized growth regulators) and cytokinin-like materials.

Although researchers knew as early as 1913 that plants produced a cell division-stimulating substance, it took until 1955 to identify it as a cytokinin. In 1963, scientists isolated zeatin from corn. It was the first example of a naturally occurring cytokinin.

By 1969, they were experimenting with topical applications of seaweed-extracted cytokinin on various plants. From this work weâve learned that besides enhancing cell division, cytokinins: enable cells to differentiate into various plant organs, retard plant senescence or aging, stimulate chloroplast formation, help seeds break dormancy, and enhance flowering in some species.

Along with this work, researchers learned in 1972 that some systemic fungicides, such as triazoles, have cytokinin-like properties. Two of these are turf fungicides: propiconazole (Banner) and triadimefon (Bayleton)." (Schmidt 1990)

CLAIMS FOR SEAWEED
Seaweed extract is being marketed and supposedly has special benefits when supplied with iron (Nabati et al. 1994). The following comments are extracted from a gardening article on use of seaweed (there are various species of seaweed which may differ in composition that influences biostimulation.(Smite 1991): "Seaweed is a rootless plant in the Fucus family that floats freely or clings to rocks by holdfasts (root-like or disk shaped plant parts that attach seaweed to rocks but donât absorb nutrients). Seaweed photosynthesizes the sunlight that reaches it through shallow water and it absorbs nutrients from sea water through its leaves. Since the ocean receives runoff from the entire earth, it contains all known minerals, trace elements, and vitamins. This primal supermarket supplies a more complete diet for sea plants than any plot of rich soil or fertilizer provides for land plants. Seaweed contains 60 or more minerals and several plant hormones. It is not however a complete fertilizer. It has a fair amount of nitrogen and potash, but very little phosphorus, a major plant nutrient.

Only a few seaweeds are harvested commercially. Norwegian kelp (Ascophyllum nodosum), a brown algae is the seaweed most used in gardening. Norwegian kelp is gathered off the coasts of England, Ireland, Norway, and both the Atlantic and Pacific coasts of North America where it is called rockweed. Gulfweed (Sargassum), a floating sea plant, is harvested off the coast of North Carolina. Giant kelp(Macrcystis) is collected in the Pacific Northwest.

Seaweed is constantly worn down by tides and eaten by fish, so it must grow rapidly to survive. Studies at the University of California showed that a frond of seaweed can grow a foot or more a day, given optimal conditions. The same growth hormones that prompt such rapid growth in seaweed , when applied to plants as a foliar spray, can increase the rate of cell division and elongation in those plants. The hormones also increase root growth when applied to the soil as meal or when seaweed extract is used as a root dip.

In recent turf tests at Virginia Polytechnic Institute in Blacksburg, plots sprayed with seaweed extract had 67% to 175% more roots than untreated plots. Plots treated in fall showed a 38% increase in spring growth over untreated plots and showed 52% more roots.

In tests at South Carolina's Clemson University, seeds soaked in liquid seaweed extract showed rapid germination, and the resulting seedlings had increased root mass and stronger plant growth than seedlings from untreated seeds. They also had a higher survival rate. Soaking plant roots in seaweed extract reduces transplant shock and speeds root growth. Seaweed foliar sprays promote faster, stronger stem and leaf growth, and earlier blossoming and fruit set when sprayed on leaves and flower buds."(Smitte 1991)

Many books and reviews have been made on plant growth regulators even by the early 1960âs (Thimann 1963). There are at least four major groups. Thimann discussed three of them thirty years ago.

"Unlike the animal hormones, each of which has its target organ or tissue, the most obvious property of the plant growth substances is not only that their functions are multiple but they overlap. For any given process their actions may be similar or opposed, or synergistic, or entirely different. For instance, kinetin reacts with auxin to produce callus growth, it opposes auxin in lateral bud development, resembles auxin in inhibiting root elongation, does strongly what auxin does only weakly in promoting protein synthesis, and acts the same way as auxin to cause cell division; in the last case, however, auxin action may be dependent on endogenous kinins already present, so that this action may fall into the first category.

Finally, it differs completely from auxin in not being readily transported. Similarly, gibberellin acts like auxin in promoting elongation of etiolated stems and formation of parthenocarpic fruit (though it generally delays fruit-set), reacts with auxin in producing elongation of isolated green stems, acts more powerfully than auxin on elongation of intact stems, does what auxin cannot do in causing flowering of long-day plants on short-day photoperiods, and the elongations of monocotyledonous leaves and leaf sheaths. Yet it acts in the opposite direction to auxin on root formation by cuttings and leaves and apparently also on the tensile properties of pea stems. Auxin favors formations of pistillate flowers, gibberellin of staminate. Generally, all gibberellins act in the same way as one another, and the same is qualitatively true for auxins, with certain exceptions.

The multiple actions of auxin have often been discussed. Here it needs only be mentioned that the growth inhibiting actions are probably at least as important as the growth promoting ones. The inhibition of lateral bud development is of major importance in integrating the plant body, and and parallel phenomena to it are found in ferns and mosses. Thus auxins should not necessarily considered only as growth promoting substances."(Thimann 1963)

In the 1960s we made some studies with humates derived from leonardite (Wallace and Khadr 1966). Some interesting results were observed but caution was used in the interpretation. " an unfortified humus product seemed to have auxin-like effects in plants in that it increased periodicity of root pressure exudation and hastened time of flowering. there are many reports that indicate the value of soil organic matter in crop production is not confined to supplying plant nutrients, to increasing the availability of plant nutrients, or to improving the physical properties of soil. There is no doubt that a large number of components of the soil organic matter can be absorbed by plant roots from the soil and translocated to other parts of the plants. The relationship of molecular weight to this type of absorption is unknown, but it is known that nucleic acids can be synthesized in some cells and translocated to others. Recent work has shown that quinone groups in humic substances stimulate some plant enzyme systems related to respiration.

Many low-molecular weight compounds that are products of decomposition of organic matter have been observed to promote plant growth. Creatinine is an example. B-indoleacetic acid, which has a powerful effect in stimulating root growth. These substances include vanilin, benzoic acid, some aldehydes, and dihydroxystearic acid. Many workers seriously doubt that humus-like materials or breakdown products from them can have auxin-like effects in soils." (Wallace and Khadr 1966).

SOME RECENT REPORTERS ON BIOSTIMULANTS
Chen et al. 1994: The properties of humic substances originating from composts were studied and compared to soil derived humic materials. A small fraction of lower molecular weight components of humic substances can be taken up by plants. These components are considered to increase cell membrane permeability and to exhibit hormone-like activity. In soils, addition of compost was found to stimulate growth beyond that provided by mineral nutrients. Addition of composts to container media mixes resulted in significant yield increase which was attributed to humic substances. Water extracts obtained from composts exhibited auxin-like activity.

Albuzio et al. 1944: The addition of a molecular size fraction compatible with direct uptake by roots and translocation to the vegetative compartments, induced sharp enhancement in chlorophyll contents. Apparently, low molecular size compounds are able to enter the roots, be translocated to the leaves and be metabolically significant.

Schmidt et al. 1991: By 1969 experiments with applicants of seaweed extracted cytokinis were being conducted on various plants. From 1972 triazole fungicides were shown to have biostimulant properties. In the mid 1980âs, extracted seaweed, benzyladenine (synthetic cytokinin) and selected triazole systemic fungicides were shown to stimulate turfgrasses. Various studies with cool season turfgrass have shown that biostimulant application improved photosyntesis, reduced senescence effect, increased leaf and shoot numbers, improved leaf water potential, and enhanced shoot and root mass. Cytokinis with iron helped warm season grasses retain color in the fall and stimulate spring green up. Recent research documented that biostimulants conditioned turfgrass to tolerate drought and salinity irrigation.

Yan and Schmidt 1992: Plant growth regulator like propiconazole and 1H-1, 2, 4-triazole and fortified seaweed extract increased the salt tolerance of perennial ryegrass by adjustment of cell membrane composition.

Ono et al. 1993: Promain (GA4 + GA7 + N-(phenylmethyl)-1H-purine-6-amine) at 50 mg/L, was the most beneficial in enhancing seed germination.

Mate and Katalin1993: The chlormequat + ethepon + microelements treatment beyond the height reduction also increase the yield. Plant growth regulators used alone had no effect on yield.

Russo 1991: Yale Univ., New Haven, CT USA. A thesis on the action of "Roots".

Basnizki and Goldschmidt 1994: Under field conditions, GA3 rep;aced the cold requirements of line ÎHU 271â, thereby enabling the start of flowering during autumn. Another clone flowered without GA3 treatment.

Suzuki 1992: A review discussing use of growth retardants.

Hood 1994: The Cytokin treatment significantly increased lint yield over the other treatments 1992. There were no statistically significant differences between the non-treated check and any treatment in 1993.

Balyan et al. 1994: Triacontanol increased the plant height, number of leaves and leaf length. It had a positive effect on herbage yield, which was increased by 21.35 percent over control.

Perez et al. 1994: The best treatments were mixtures with endosulfan, befenthrin of profenfos. There was a significant improvement in yield and fiber quality.

Takahashi and Yamaguchi 1994: Plant growth-regulating agents containing kojic acid and/or its salts applied tostems and leaves of fruit and vegetable plants accelerated their fruit maturity.

Beltrano et al. 1994: A humic substance obtained from the feces of the earthworms at a concentration of 1 mg carbon per liter cause root development from leaf explants that appears to be similar to indole acetic acid induced activity, while the control did not develop roots. Humate induced longer roots than those grown in indole acetic acid but with fewer hair roots.

REFERENCES:
Albuzio, A., G. Concheri, S. Nardi, and G. DellâAgnola. 1994. Effect of humic fractions of different molecular size on the development of oat seedlings grown in varied nutritional condition. Humic Subst. Global Environ. Implic. Hum. Health, Proc. Int. Meet. Humic Subst. Soc., 6th 1992; 199-204. Chem. Abstracts 121:229751 (1994)
 

kevin murphy

New Member
very nice info bro..i made my own soil for this grow and the extra info will sure help in future grows no doubt..thanks for the info mate keep it up..
 

Beansly

RIU Bulldog
Sup joe.
I wanted to ask you if you know anything about Alfalfa and the growth hormone Triacontanol? Apparently it has the ability to increase yields exponentially. I know I know...anything that promises to increase yields put up a red flag but hear me out.
I read Collective Gardeners thread a lot because of all the info there and his amount of experience (30+ years). So when he says he's using a product that has increased his yield, I pay attention.
What he's using is a product called 'Yellow Bottle Final Bloom'. What he says is that it's not like other final bloom solutions that make the bud puffy with water weight. He says he's in love and that it's god's gift (ok he didn't say that but he loves it, and coming from him, that means a lot).
So I found out what the active ingredient in 'Final Bloom' was triacontanol. I'd never heard of it, so I did some research. Turns out it's a naturally occurring growth hormone in alfalfa and that farmers have been using it in commercial corn, rice and cotton crops (it's also used in ornamentals like roses). I guess this hormone has been getting tested widely for a while now and has been used safely in consumable foods. Check out these reads dude.
http://treatingyourself.com/vbulletin/archive/index.php?t-3152.html
http://www.carbonkick.fi/growingsyst...elease_eng.doc
I don't know if you can just compost alfalfa and have it be available, especially since it's not water soluble, but they talk about adding it to you tea mix for a nice boost.
Check it and tell me what you think man.
 

Joedank

Well-Known Member
been using it for years on and off as food for microbes BUT not as a spray those studies indicate foliar is the way to go and cut it out at week 3 of flower or so....as it promotes veg growth
gonna make a simple tea of sucanate, calcarb, alfalfa pellets, and a touch of amino, humic, fulvic to cl-elate .... see what the deal is...

good looking out beanz
 

Beansly

RIU Bulldog
been using it for years on and off as food for microbes BUT not as a spray those studies indicate foliar is the way to go and cut it out at week 3 of flower or so....as it promotes veg growth
gonna make a simple tea of sucanate, calcarb, alfalfa pellets, and a touch of amino, humic, fulvic to cl-elate .... see what the deal is...

good looking out beanz
Cool man, but hey, I understood that the spray was supposed to be used in the LAST 3 weeks of flower. That made sense to me cause Yellow Bottle Final Bloom is a finishing fertilizer and Collective Gardener uses it in the last 2 or 3 weeks of flower. I saw where it said it increases vegetative growth too but it wasn't really clear on where to use it in flower.
 

Beansly

RIU Bulldog
requires more nerdlinger google research.
I'll have to look into it later and source some alfalfa pellets...
 
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