When i first started 2 years ago i read every possible thread on growing, I am on 4th harvest with cfl's. I was told dont bother, waist of time. blah blah blah..I thought i could take stock in waht you "experts" lmao say .. what a joke.. I use 5 150 watt cfls per plant. I use cfls, to germinate, veg and flower, I gorw huge dank buds, everytime. I have a plain closet with only a fan and a thermostat. Yes i do pay close attention to my babies, but besides rotating and feeding. They grow in a 4x3x 7 tall closet, WITH ONLY A FAN FOR CIRCULATION. I have no exhaust suction, I grow in topsoil-perlite-vermiculite..thats it. i feedbasic nuts, and ph'ed water. I have 4 plants that get clonned and follow rotation..I average 3-5 ounces a plant. I just hung my 4th harvest and am water curing half, wet weight of all 4 plants is 23 ounces,,i can verify all i say and my proof is5 feet away from me,,i grow killa dank bud which started with a bagseed. which i cloned-cloned and cloned again..If i seel my stuff to friends i get 175 for a half oz..so i would like all you "experts"lol who told me i would never yeild anything, to sit and spin. my electric bill is 28 dollars more a month with 20 cfls, i have odor under control, my buds are fat,,sure i run into mites and other expected things, but it cost me 36$ total a month to grow 20 ounces every 8 weeks.. so i would like you hps,halide guys to explain how i defied the world and did this, have set growing records? oh thats right you are narrow minded and know nothing about anything besides your own methods. I do love this website. Yet i wish those who talk about nonsense which they have no knowledge of SHUT THE FUCK UP.. stick to what you do..it must be a miracle, or i must be the choosen one because im doing 10x what you told me i could never..oh look a big fat cola grown with CFL'S and no scientific setup..lol..i must be a genius..