a poll that actually indicates something

Who are you planing to vote for? (votes not public)

  • Mitt Romney

    Votes: 5 9.6%

  • Barak Obama

    Votes: 12 23.1%

  • Ron Paul

    Votes: 26 50.0%

  • Undecided

    Votes: 9 17.3%
  • Total voters
    52
abandonconflict

abandonconflict

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Straight forward, who are you going to vote for? Choose undecided if none of these are your candidate or if you are not going to vote.
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
I chose Undecided, but not for either of your listed reasons. I chose c) because I am still (sic!) undecided. cn
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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Not voting. Voting is bullshit.

By bullshit, I mean not legitimate. Voting is a way for politicians to make you think you have a choice.

You don't.
 
ThatGuy113

ThatGuy113

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Padawanbater2 said:
Not voting. Voting is bullshit.

By bullshit, I mean not legitimate. Voting is a way for politicians to make you think you have a choice.

You don't.
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Im sure they'd rather have you disgruntled and not voting at all then having to do the work of trying to win your vote. Everything else is just static.
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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lifegoesonbrah said:
Based on what? I normally just don't "trust" people on the internet.
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You're right, I wouldn't either. Instead of trusting me, research the system for yourself. I encourage it. Democracy in America is a joke, the two party system is inherently flawed. I'm pretty sure you'll come to the same conclusion.

ThatGuy113 said:
Im sure they'd rather have you disgruntled and not voting at all then having to do the work of trying to win your vote. Everything else is just static.
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Like I said, voting doesn't matter. They control the outcome whether you vote or not. Votes, pleasing the constituents is all an illusion to make people think they have a choice. They don't. I believe if nobody voted, it would be the biggest statement our "elected officials" could receive. It would mean we all collectively stopped giving a fuck. They'd be forced to change the system.

But of course that won't happen because people are so fucking stupid. They'll keep campaigning on broken promises, people will still keep voting thinking it matters, and business will continue as usual.

Fuck this country.
 
ThatGuy113

ThatGuy113

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Padawanbater2 said:
You're right, I wouldn't either. Instead of trusting me, research the system for yourself. I encourage it. Democracy in America is a joke, the two party system is inherently flawed. I'm pretty sure you'll come to the same conclusion.



Like I said, voting doesn't matter. They control the outcome whether you vote or not. Votes, pleasing the constituents is all an illusion to make people think they have a choice. They don't. I believe if nobody voted, it would be the biggest statement our "elected officials" could receive. It would mean we all collectively stopped giving a fuck. They'd be forced to change the system.

But of course that won't happen because people are so fucking stupid. They'll keep campaigning on broken promises, people will still keep voting thinking it matters, and business will continue as usual.

Fuck this country.
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If people actually voted for there local elections and took part in the responsibility of the public in a democracy then we wouldnt have this issue. The more disgruntled you allow the public to get the more people allow the minority to control the majority. They play the game better then us. We can change that, but that doesn't come when only a small portion of the country shows up to vote for pres and then never show up for other state and federal elections.


Your claiming the system doesnt work when the people "operating" the system with no results are not actually "operating" that system in the correct way. Its like ignoring the clutch pedal when you want to shift gears. If you only move your gear selector not depressing the clutch youll still get the selector into gear but it wont sound or feel pretty. Now if you act ahead of time (mid term elections) and then select a gear (presidential race) you might actually have a productive shift that doesn't shorten the life of the transmission (progress). Everyone wants results with no work. You have to get the majority of the country behind you. On top of getting them behind you, you have to get them to act. It is a slow process. Dont tell me the systems rigged when were not even trying as a population to pick our elected officials. Poll turnout numbers say it all.
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
abandonconflict said:
it is implied that one would choose undecided if in fact they are ...undecided...
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My read of the op was that you were saying "vote Undecided if either of these two conditions apply". That prompted me to explain my vote, since I do intend to vote and have not chosen a third-party candidate. cn
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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ThatGuy113 said:
If people actually voted for there local elections and took part in the responsibility of the public in a democracy then we wouldnt have this issue. The more disgruntled you allow the public to get the more people allow the minority to control the majority. They play the game better then us. We can change that, but that doesn't come when only a small portion of the country shows up to vote for pres and then never show up for other state and federal elections.


Your claiming the system doesnt work when the people "operating" the system with no results are not actually "operating" that system in the correct way. Its like ignoring the clutch pedal when you want to shift gears. If you only move your gear selector not depressing the clutch youll still get the selector into gear but it wont sound or feel pretty. Now if you act ahead of time (mid term elections) and then select a gear (presidential race) you might actually have a productive shift that doesn't shorten the life of the transmission (progress). Everyone wants results with no work. You have to get the majority of the country behind you. On top of getting them behind you, you have to get them to act. It is a slow process. Dont tell me the systems rigged when were not even trying as a population to pick our elected officials. Poll turnout numbers say it all.
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It wouldn't matter if you had 100% voter turn out, the elections aren't legitimate. All the politicians are playing for the same team, and the rest of us are on the away team. There are probably a handful of real politicians, but the majority of the people in office are corrupt and in it for themselves. Their public voting records attest to this. Their campaign contributions attest to this. What they say in interviews attests to this. It's all a game, the majority of the population believes it's a legitimate process when it isn't. They've figured out a way to control things and keep the population at large ignorant of it. 90% of people in the US are essentially asleep at the wheel, voting for people they think will do what they want, what's best for the country, but they don't care about that, they do what's best (and more often than not, most profitable) for themselves.

Voting is an illusion to reassure you your voice matters. As I said before, it doesn't. It's a charade. The sooner people realize this, the sooner actual change will take place.
 
ThatGuy113

ThatGuy113

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Padawanbater2 said:
It wouldn't matter if you had 100% voter turn out, the elections aren't legitimate. All the politicians are playing for the same team, and the rest of us are on the away team. There are probably a handful of real politicians, but the majority of the people in office are corrupt and in it for themselves. Their public voting records attest to this. Their campaign contributions attest to this. What they say in interviews attests to this. It's all a game, the majority of the population believes it's a legitimate process when it isn't. They've figured out a way to control things and keep the population at large ignorant of it. 90% of people in the US are essentially asleep at the wheel, voting for people they think will do what they want, what's best for the country, but they don't care about that, they do what's best (and more often than not, most profitable) for themselves.

Voting is an illusion to reassure you your voice matters. As I said before, it doesn't. It's a charade. The sooner people realize this, the sooner actual change will take place.
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So I guess you cant explain the explosion of mid term tea partiers in the legislative branch coming from the effects of people actually voting in 2010. If this convo goes any further though it will be as productive as another religion debate. If your done with the system threes nothing I can do to convince you to come back. I cant make people change but I can help when they are ready to change. Thats exactly what it is too, changes in society then government are slow. They are slow because society as a majority has to change and change takes time.
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

Well-Known Member
ThatGuy113 said:
So I guess you cant explain the explosion of mid term tea partiers in the legislative branch coming from the effects of people actually voting in 2010. If this convo goes any further though it will be as productive as another religion debate. If your done with the system threes nothing I can do to convince you to come back. I cant make people change but I can help when they are ready to change. Thats exactly what it is too, changes in society then government are slow. They are slow because society as a majority has to change and change takes time.
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Again, illusion. The effects are because people think they have a voice. Something happens, people mobilize to change it, nothing gets changed. That's the electoral process in the United States.

Watch this documentary;

[youtube]rVTXbARGXso[/youtube]

No such thing as 'freedom of choice'.


 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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Blaze Master said:
wow, 3 votes for mitt so far. it amazes me that there are people who grow weed that are so right wing.
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Same here, but Obama isn't any better. DEA raids since he's been in charge, bullshit. None of them are for real freedom, real prosperity. They're all in it for themselves. This entire thing is a charade, a game they play with us as the pawns. They win, we lose, that's how it is. Votes are meaningless, politicians are liars, that's the United snakes of America, land of the thief, home of the slave.
 
B

Blaze Master

Well-Known Member
Padawanbater2 said:
Same here, but Obama isn't any better. DEA raids since he's been in charge, bullshit. None of them are for real freedom, real prosperity. They're all in it for themselves. This entire thing is a charade, a game they play with us as the pawns. They win, we lose, that's how it is. Votes are meaningless, politicians are liars, that's the United snakes of America, land of the thief, home of the slave.
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you should just vote for a third party candidate. that is probably the best way to piss off the establishment.
 
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