A Few Simple Questions for Ohso about BMO From a 1st timer

Arsenal420

Arsenal420

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After Reading a bunch of post here and on other forums, I decided to pick up the whole BMO line of fert. I just had a bunch questions before I start.
I'm growing Outdoor 2 plants,1 indica and 1 sativa. 7wks old & for the past 3 wks in Danny Danko's Magic Organic Mix
3 parts Canadian sphagnum peat mix, coco coir or pro-mix
1 part large, chunky perlite
1 part worm castings
1/2 cup greensand
1/2 cup dolomite lime
1/3 cup Peruvian seabird guano
1/4 cup Epsom salts
Hand mixed and in 5 Gal buckets with holes
The plants love the new soil but I haven't had funds to buy any extra nuts. for feeding I've just been using tap water by filtering & distilling it and I used super thrive to help with the transplant (not bad) . Both are pretty healthy minus a lil pest problem(thanks neem oil). So here starts the laundry list of questions.

Would the lack of extra feeding from fert. teas make my soil kinda bare since its been 3 weeks of flushing basicly.

I've been using clean milk jugs to measure and store water on the back pourch. I figure the heat helps purify a lil extra is this ok, and if I premix my BMO and leave them out for a while(3days max) would this be helpful or harmful?

Along those same lines, how important is it to bubble your teas and do you know of any simple and cheap ways to do so.

I was looking at your feeding chart and I was wondering, on the weeks that have both GIG and FP do i need to water with "clean" water inbetween the 2 teas. In south east texas I can water 3 times a week with this heat.(right?)

Also on the feeding chart for the FH you just say mist once. Simple enough, but I way over think things. I just mist her down on her under neaths of her leaves right?, not use a whole quart each foliar feeding?

Whats a good ratio for mixing the FH and FP for that xtra N boost you spoke of, and is that good to use through out flowering or just at the later stages?

Considering the age of my plants 7 weeks should I hit them with a large dose like the chart says or since my photo period is still 15/9 do I just go easy on it untill I'm closer to 12/12 ?

Last 2 questions I swear. Whats a good molases to use in my final waterings, and whats the latest date I could plant seeds here in the Gulf Coast area.

Sorry to be such a bother on my very first post but I'm in a bit of a situation. I have to serve a warrant, so to keep the pigs from eating my crops, I must go to the pig pen.
My mom is able to do the daily work but I'm trying to teach her everything I know on the fly. I had to try to think of everything that could happen and gave her links to tutorials and all that. I figure I've got the best mom in the world for doing what shes doing for mekiss-ass, I should ask for advice from hands down the best advisor I've ever seen on any forum. Ohsokiss-ass

Hopefully this helps my girls out while im working for the man, & I can come home to the best organics Ive ever had. My own:blsmoke:
 
Ohsogreen

Ohsogreen

Well-Known Member
Arsenal420 said:
After Reading a bunch of post here and on other forums, I decided to pick up the whole BMO line of fert. I just had a bunch questions before I start.
I'm growing Outdoor 2 plants,1 indica and 1 sativa. 7wks old & for the past 3 wks in Danny Danko's Magic Organic Mix
3 parts Canadian sphagnum peat mix, coco coir or pro-mix
1 part large, chunky perlite
1 part worm castings
1/2 cup greensand
1/2 cup dolomite lime
1/3 cup Peruvian seabird guano
1/4 cup Epsom salts
Hand mixed and in 5 Gal buckets with holes
The plants love the new soil but I haven't had funds to buy any extra nuts. for feeding I've just been using tap water by filtering & distilling it and I used super thrive to help with the transplant (not bad) . Both are pretty healthy minus a lil pest problem(thanks neem oil). So here starts the laundry list of questions.

Would the lack of extra feeding from fert. teas make my soil kinda bare since its been 3 weeks of flushing basicly.
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No, not bare, but definately leaning down NPK wise.
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I've been using clean milk jugs to measure and store water on the back pourch. I figure the heat helps purify a lil extra is this ok, and if I premix my BMO and leave them out for a while(3days max) would this be helpful or harmful?
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If you aren't going to bubble them using a little aquarium style air pump, using them within 24 hours would be best.
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Leaving them beyond a day, could reduce their effectiveness, since the micro-beasties in their ferts will reproduce in the fresh water and use up the oxygen fairly quick.
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Along those same lines, how important is it to bubble your teas and do you know of any simple and cheap ways to do so.
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On the other hand, just mixing them up in a clean bucket, then pouring the mixed up fert solution from bucket to bucket a couple times a day, does the same thing - it adds oxygen. So a air pump is not a must have. You can also pour from jug to jug if you have a funnel. Having oxygen in the mixed up fertilitzer tea is important.
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I was looking at your feeding chart and I was wondering, on the weeks that have both GIG and FP do i need to water with "clean" water inbetween the 2 teas. In south east texas I can water 3 times a week with this heat.(right?)
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Actually a good way to do it, is to give each plant a gallon of plain unchlorinated water first. Wait five minutes, then come back and water in your fetilizer tea(s). That helps make sure the nutes stay in the rootzone, and don't just get sucked up immediately into a hungry / dry plant. This helps prevent nute burn and Mary likes a little drink first, then her food.
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Also on the feeding chart for the FH you just say mist once. Simple enough, but I way over think things. I just mist her down on her under neaths of her leaves right?, not use a whole quart each foliar feeding?
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When you foliar feed, you should mist both the tops & especially the bottoms of your leaves. This needs to be done early in the morning or late in the evening, when temps are at their lowest. Just use as much as necessary to wet all the leaves, till some runs off.
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Whats a good ratio for mixing the FH and FP for that xtra N boost you spoke of, and is that good to use through out flowering or just at the later stages?
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Mixing one ounce of FH & 1/2 ounce of FP to a gallon of unchlorinated water works well (that makes an NPK of 3-12-9). That could be used through most of the flowering period. Then slowly reduce the FH mixing strength, after week 4 of flowering, so less N is available and Mary. Doing this you could just skip using the GIG in flower.
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At week 6 of flowering, I like to see her start pulling N from her oldest (lower) fan leaves. That's a good way to ensure, no fert buildup exsist in your plants. This ensures a cleaner, smoother smoke. So, reducing the N as you get closer to the finish, by reducing the FH or GIG mixing strength(which ever one you use for a N source) helps.
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Considering the age of my plants 7 weeks should I hit them with a large dose like the chart says or since my photo period is still 15/9 do I just go easy on it untill I'm closer to 12/12 ?
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Since your soil is probably a little lean right now, I'd go with a 1/2 ounce of GIG and 1/4 ounce of FP, for two feedings. Then resume the schedule, at the last week of veg growth or first week of flowering - depending on how they look. Let the growth rate & leaf color be your guide. Charts are nice, but only a guideline, let what you see, be your guide.
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Darker green leaves mean plenty of N is available and in your plants, lighter colored leaves may indicate you need some more N. Some plants are just a lighter color on their own, some are darker. So, since I don't know which strains you are growing, you'll have to be the judge of what normal color is.
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Last 2 questions I swear. Whats a good molases to use in my final waterings, and whats the latest date I could plant seeds here in the Gulf Coast area.
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I like Brer Rabbit Brand or Grandma's, both available in the ceral isle of most grocery stores, next to the pancake syrup. You could plant as late as July 21st (outdoors), with no problems. Now those girls will be shorter, and will not yield as much, but any Mary is better than no Mary, everyday of the week IMO. You should still get some decent smoke from them.
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Sorry to be such a bother on my very first post but I'm in a bit of a situation. I have to serve a warrant, so to keep the pigs from eating my crops, I must go to the pig pen. My mom is able to do the daily work but I'm trying to teach her everything I know on the fly. I had to try to think of everything that could happen and gave her links to tutorials and all that. I figure I've got the best mom in the world for doing what shes doing for mekiss-ass, I should ask for advice from hands down the best advisor I've ever seen on any forum. Ohsokiss-ass

Hopefully this helps my girls out while im working for the man, & I can come home to the best organics Ive ever had. My own:blsmoke:
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No bother, I hope the info I post is helpful. Sounds like you've got a great mom. Sorry to hear you've go to stretch out behind bars for awhile. Mary is a pretty tough girl, given just a little of what she needs, she still puts out a decent smoke.
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Goodluck & I hope this helps......
Keep it Real.....Organic......
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spadegolf07

Active Member
I just got the BMO line at the recommendation of this board. My seedlings are a week old. What is the best way to introduce the GIG and Tonic? 1/4 strength every other watering?
 
Ohsogreen

Ohsogreen

Well-Known Member
spadegolf07 said:
I just got the BMO line at the recommendation of this board. My seedlings are a week old. What is the best way to introduce the GIG and Tonic? 1/4 strength every other watering?
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SpadeGolf07.... If you are growing in soil with some NPK already in it, no need to feed until week 3 of growth. You could mix up some SPT at 1/4 oz to a gallon of unchlorinated water, then give each plant a small shot of it.
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Example: Seedlings in a 20 oz drink cup, give 4 oz of mixed up SPT, no more that once a week.
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If you medium is semi-soilless, soilless or coco with no NPK in it, mix 1/4 oz of GIG to one gallon of unchlorinated water & 1/4 oz of SPT, feed every other watering. The 1/4 oz of GIG / SPT is half mixing strength for both, which is a good place to start with small seedlings.
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You can then increase the mixing strength of your ferts / tonics, in small increments over time.
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Low, Slow & Steady on feeding....gets the best results......
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Hope this helps.....
Keep it Real....Organic.....
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spadegolf07

Active Member
Thanks OSG...

I'm using 1 gallon pots because I need to keep the plants small so I'm also not vegging for more than 3 weeks (2-3, whenever they're around 10 inches).

I plan on using the SPT at quarter strength as you recommend with every other watering (2 waterings per week). So as of your directions, don't add any GIG or FP until, what for me, would be flowering?

And do I use SPT until week 7 of flowering or would this be pointless since I'm using such small pots meaning the rootball is already good to go?
 
Ohsogreen

Ohsogreen

Well-Known Member
spadegolf07 said:
Thanks OSG...

I'm using 1 gallon pots because I need to keep the plants small so I'm also not vegging for more than 3 weeks (2-3, whenever they're around 10 inches).

I plan on using the SPT at quarter strength as you recommend with every other watering (2 waterings per week). So as of your directions, don't add any GIG or FP until, what for me, would be flowering?

And do I use SPT until week 7 of flowering or would this be pointless since I'm using such small pots meaning the rootball is already good to go?
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SpadeGolf07.... When you flip the lights to 12/12, it will take up to a week for the plants to begin flowering (possibly longer - depends on the strain). You will still need some N during that week, and throughout the flowering weeks.
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At week three, when you flip the lights. I'd mix 1/4 oz of GIG & 1/4 oz of FP to a gallon of unchlorinated water. Give each plant one quart of plain water first. Five minutes later, give each plant one quart of your mixed up fertilizer.
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Since small pots dry out faster, this helps in a couple of ways.. If you feed (water in) a mixed up fertilizer first, it tends to either run out the bottom (wasteful) because of excess opening in the soil or it immediately gets sucked up by the plant (potential nute burn).
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With such small pots, I'd keep using 1/4 oz (min) of GIG each feeding, but keep bumping up the mixing strength of the FP, as more hairs show in your bud sites. If your leaves look pale or yellow at any point, check soil pH first (if it's in the range of 6 to 7), then you know the cause is a lack of Nitrogen. You'd then mix up some GIG (1/4 to 1/3 oz to a gallon of water) and feed just it, to correct this problem.
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You will need the N, the GIG provides through most of your grow, to week 6 of flowring at least.
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The reason I say use the weaker mixing strength of GIG (until week 6 of flowering) is because, with small pots, ferts tend to wash out a little easier, than with larger volumes of soil (which helps store NPK - until needed).
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I also would not exceed 1 oz of FP per gallon of water at any point during the grow. Since the FP is more alkaline, over application can cause such a small volume of soil to shift upwards in pH to over 7, which can lockout nutes and cause deficencies.
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Checking soil pH with small pots is important. Invest in a small combo meter (about $ 15), like a Rapid-Test Soil pH & Moisture meter. It will be a good investment.
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It is also helpful to know the pH of your water. A soil pH test meter will not give you an accurate reading of pH in water. For that, just pick up a cheap aquarium (chemical) test kit. They cost like $ 6 and will do hundreds of test. They are very easy to use.
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Hope this helps....
Keep it Real....Organic.......
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spadegolf07

Active Member
Ohso thanks again you are helping my grow infinitely. I just have a final question...

You say to give each pot (1 gallon) a quart of water and then another quart of water with fertilizer in it after 5 minutes. This is a half gallon...that's not too much water for the pots? Would you feed every time since your essentially flushing out the pot before you feed anyway or still every other?

Also, how long should I use the plant tonic? Until week 6, mixed in with the GIG and FP or what do you suggest?
 
Ohsogreen

Ohsogreen

Well-Known Member
spadegolf07 said:
Ohso thanks again you are helping my grow infinitely. I just have a final question...

You say to give each pot (1 gallon) a quart of water and then another quart of water with fertilizer in it after 5 minutes. This is a half gallon...that's not too much water for the pots? Would you feed every time since your essentially flushing out the pot before you feed anyway or still every other?

Also, how long should I use the plant tonic? Until week 6, mixed in with the GIG and FP or what do you suggest?
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SpadeGolf07..... That's a good question. The answer is Yes, you are kind of doing a flush as you go. This is very important in such small pots.
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See as you feed the plants, they will take in what they need for that phase of growth. Like more N during veg growth. What they are not using, then tends to build up over time.
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This can eventually build up (the unused nutes) to a level that is present in too great a quantity, which will effect pH and lock out other nutrients, causing deficencies.
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So by watering first, then feeding you are ensuring this buildup of unused nutrients does not occurr at a level, which will cause you problems later.
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Concerning the SPT. Yes, there is no need to use it beyond week six of flowering or the fertilizer if your soil mix is good.
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I've done numerous runs using the SPT and got the best results when I stopped using it after weeks 4 or 6 of flowering. Some depends on the strain, heavy feeders do better when used up to week 6, the average feeding strain seems to do better when stopped after week 4 of flowering.
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I also find, using fertilizer during one watering, the using the SPT on my water only (non-feeding days) works better. It gives the plants a chance to use down the easy to get NPK first, the micro-beasties then come in behind that and breakdown the insoluble NPK in the soil, making for a smooth, fairly steady supply of NPK.
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I feel this helps prevent the mountains & valleys in feeding that some feeding schedules cause.
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Hope this helps.....
Keep it Real.....Organic....
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