99 Problems and they all b*tches..

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stonamofs

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I over fertilized with plant food sticks that were high in nitrates.
To compensate, i bought new dirt that is all purpose, no nutes.
High in organic elements with a mix of sphagnum moss and perlite.
I rinsed the roots off and replanted in the new soil in an attempt to save the plants.
The tops continued to grow however the bottoms continued to wilt, rust, shrivel up and die off at a faster rate than the top leaves can grow.
Things have only gotten a lot worse...
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I am convinced that PH has nothing to do with it. I have yet to buy a testing kit.
One girl i've been watering shows absolutely no sign of deficiencies what so ever, and is continuing to grow at a rapid rate.
I used the same grow medium, the same lights, same temp - same everything. If the water was at a toxic ph, she would also show signs!
The only difference - i did not use the plant food sticks with her!

At this point, i'm extremely frustrated. I've tried everything i can think of to correct them.
I'm about ready to throw away every plant - besides the one that's growing healthy.
If a ghost came and poured bleach inside all but 1 plant, it would easily explain my situation.

Just a few days ago, these plants were growing healthy, equal in size, side by side in precisely equal conditions.
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It appears almost as though one was properly fertilized while the other was sabotaged..

Any ideas?
 
kryptoniteglo

kryptoniteglo

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PH may or may not have anything to do with it, but unless you know what your PH is I don't think you can rule it out. So get scientific and get some kind of tester! The drops are cheap, but I've always had trouble reading the colors, so I use a digital tester. At some point you will need to know this information for sure, so now's as good a time as anyway to get your testing method sorted.

If the culprit is massive nute burn, you have to remember two things: the first is that the damage occurs at the root level -- you just see it evidenced at the leaf level. Hopefully your roots were developed enough before the damage to recover. They might not have been, in which case you can say goodbye to some of your plants. The other thing is that the leaves that show damage will never repair -- you can only have new growth that's strong and healthy. It seems like you have that on some of them.

So my advice is to sit tight and see what happens with new growth. If it's strong and healthy, in a few weeks your plants will look great again and they will have outgrown the damage of the nute burn.
 
theexpress

theexpress

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stonamofs said:
I over fertilized with plant food sticks that were high in nitrates.
To compensate, i bought new dirt that is all purpose, no nutes.
High in organic elements with a mix of sphagnum moss and perlite.
I rinsed the roots off and replanted in the new soil in an attempt to save the plants.
The tops continued to grow however the bottoms continued to wilt, rust, shrivel up and die off at a faster rate than the top leaves can grow.
Things have only gotten a lot worse...
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I am convinced that PH has nothing to do with it. I have yet to buy a testing kit.
One girl i've been watering shows absolutely no sign of deficiencies what so ever, and is continuing to grow at a rapid rate.
I used the same grow medium, the same lights, same temp - same everything. If the water was at a toxic ph, she would also show signs!
The only difference - i did not use the plant food sticks with her!

At this point, i'm extremely frustrated. I've tried everything i can think of to correct them.
I'm about ready to throw away every plant - besides the one that's growing healthy.
If a ghost came and poured bleach inside all but 1 plant, it would easily explain my situation.

Just a few days ago, these plants were growing healthy, equal in size, side by side in precisely equal conditions.
View attachment 2636447 ...just 2 days later... View attachment 2636449
It appears almost as though one was properly fertilized while the other was sabotaged..

Any ideas?
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if u havin plant problems I feel bad for u son//I got 99 problems but a deficiency aint one//
 
curious2garden

curious2garden

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Staff member
stonamofs said:
I over fertilized with plant food sticks that were high in nitrates.
To compensate, i bought new dirt that is all purpose, no nutes.
High in organic elements with a mix of sphagnum moss and perlite.
I rinsed the roots off and replanted in the new soil in an attempt to save the plants.
The tops continued to grow however the bottoms continued to wilt, rust, shrivel up and die off at a faster rate than the top leaves can grow.
Things have only gotten a lot worse...

I am convinced that PH has nothing to do with it. I have yet to buy a testing kit.
One girl i've been watering shows absolutely no sign of deficiencies what so ever, and is continuing to grow at a rapid rate.
I used the same grow medium, the same lights, same temp - same everything. If the water was at a toxic ph, she would also show signs!
The only difference - i did not use the plant food sticks with her!

At this point, i'm extremely frustrated. I've tried everything i can think of to correct them.
I'm about ready to throw away every plant - besides the one that's growing healthy.
If a ghost came and poured bleach inside all but 1 plant, it would easily explain my situation.

Just a few days ago, these plants were growing healthy, equal in size, side by side in precisely equal conditions.
...just 2 days later...
It appears almost as though one was properly fertilized while the other was sabotaged..

Any ideas?
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Let's see if I can explain this to you. You burnt them badly with to much fertilizer then you pulled them out and directly injured the roots and microscopic root hairs where all the actual feeding takes place. The fact you are still getting top healthy growth is a good sign. About the only thing you can do for them right now is leave them alone and give them plain water.

If you really are serious about this and actually wish to grow pot then you need to go buy these:

(1)pH pen (using liquid you are off by an order of magnitude to large to sustain healthy plants)
http://www.amazon.com/Milwaukee-Instruments-pH600AQ-Tester-Calibration/dp/B005H78ZI0

(2) TDS pen
http://www.amazon.com/HM-Digital-TDS-EZ-Measurement-Resolution/dp/B002C0A7ZY/ref=sr_1_2?s=industrial&ie=UTF8&qid=1367256520&sr=1-2&keywords=tds+pen

(3) Real fertilizer I use this during veg and the first 2 weeks of flower (you can use this through the entire cycle but be careful of N Tox.):
http://www.dyna-gro.com/936.htm (the following are recommended extras)

(a) Bloom http://www.dyna-gro.com/3126.htm
(b) ProTekt (silicone additive) http://www.dyna-gro.com/003.htm
(c) Ca/Mg/Fe (Supplement) http://www.botanicare.com/Cal-Mag-2-0-0-P48.aspx
​

(4) Advanced Sunshine Mix #4 ( This is simple to use. No prep coco base. I would not change out the plants you currently have re-potted but for future grows).

Anyway this is what you need for a fairly basic start.
hth,
 
SxIstew

SxIstew

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Plant food not bough at grow shops is not only dangerous to the plant. but yourself as well. most foods out there for plants with "flowers" from say, Walmart, can me harmful if ingested(making edibles or smoked). MANY companies out there have specially designed nutrients for exactly what we here are growing. most full lines come with a feeding schedule and everything so you know you aren't guessing at what she or they need. and you can adjust your strengths as you grow.
 
SxIstew

SxIstew

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SxIstew said:
Plant food not bough at grow shops is not only dangerous to the plant. but yourself as well. most foods out there for plants with "flowers" from say, Walmart, can me harmful if ingested(making edibles or smoked). MANY companies out there have specially designed nutrients for exactly what we here are growing. most full lines come with a feeding schedule and everything so you know you aren't guessing at what she or they need. and you can adjust your strengths as you grow.
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If no access to a grow shop is why you have what you have, you also have the internet.
 
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stonamofs

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Happy to hear that once the leaves get damaged, that they will not 'come back to life'.
I was getting sick of watching the burns worsen, the leaves wilt more and more with no sign of improvements.
So i went a little... 'trim happy' today..
SAM_0620.jpgI know it appears i've massacred an army, but all these leaves were paper dry, the kind of fall-leaves-crunch dry.
The leaves that were complete necrosis, i pulled or pinched off the main stalk.
The dry brown tips, the orange discolored spots, basically any leaf that was defective, i either trimmed or removed.
This may have harmed the plants, they may stress, experience stunted growth, or shrivel up and die, i really don't care at this point!
I just became tired of looking at diseased leaves that only worsen each day.

Unlikely, but best case scenario, this causes the plants to give up trying to utilize the defect leaves, and concentrate on growing new ones.
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I will admit it's nice to see the deficiencies cut-out, litterally (;
I will check into buying a digital ph reader, and i will research the nutes listed above. Thanks for all your help :)
 
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