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911 POLL - Do you believe the official report?

Do you believe the official 911 commission report?

  • Yes - I believe AlQaeda was behind the attacks, lead by Osama Bin Ladin, no US involvement at all

    Votes: 12 30.8%

  • No - I do not believe the official report is accurate

    Votes: 27 69.2%
  • Total voters
    39
PVS

PVS

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while i agree that bush exploited 9/11 and attempted to usher in a dictatorship, i cannot see a logical comparison between civil liberty issues today and nazi germany.
why? simple. hitler succeeded, bush failed.

in order to pull of a successful coup of this nature, the would-be dictator has to strike while the iron is hot, which ultimately means sticking their own necks out.
its always easy to whip dumb rednecks into a frightened frenzy but it takes an extraordinary state of widespread panic to pull off a coup. for a brief time that opportunity
existed, but not now (assuming we don't have another similar or worse catastrophe)

imo bush and co. took more of a smart marketing approach. start small and gauge response, then expand upon that and gauge response. they went about it too
slowly and cautiously. years of selling the war in iraq, domestic spying, foreign detention, scrapping habeas corpus, etc. i wonder how history would have unfolded
if hitler took such an approach.
regardless of how evil, history's greatest dictators tended to have one thing in common: balls.
bush had no balls. thank god for that.

well thats my opinion anyway.
however to say that our government is doing a BETTER job at pulling off a dictatorship than hitler? eeeh :/
 
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PadawanBater

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PVS said:
while i agree that bush exploited 9/11 and attempted to usher in a dictatorship, i cannot see a logical comparison between civil liberty issues today and nazi germany.
why? simple. hitler succeeded, bush failed.

in order to pull of a successful coup of this nature, the would-be dictator has to strike while the iron is hot, which ultimately means sticking their own necks out.
its always easy to whip dumb rednecks into a frightened frenzy but it takes an extraordinary state of widespread panic to pull off a coup. for a brief time that opportunity
existed, but not now (assuming we don't have another similar or worse catastrophe)

imo bush and co. took more of a smart marketing approach. start small and gauge response, then expand upon that and gauge response. they went about it too
slowly and cautiously. years of selling the war in iraq, domestic spying, foreign detention, scrapping habeas corpus, etc. i wonder how history would have unfolded
if hitler took such an approach.
regardless of how evil, history's greatest dictators tended to have one thing in common: balls.
bush had no balls. thank god for that.

well thats my opinion anyway.
however to say that our government is doing a BETTER job at pulling off a dictatorship than hitler? eeeh :/
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Perhaps it's simply a different approach this time. Being the 21st century, well into the information age, things have to be done differently.

I see a lot of striking similarities between Nazi Germany and the USA of today, sure there's not death camps or gustapo, but like I said, that's been done before, even the enemy learnes from history. Removing rights 'legally' and finding 'legal loopholes' is their tactic these days, avoiding investigation and playing semantics... with the media completely playing along for the highest ratings which equates to dollar bills.
 
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ilkhan

Well-Known Member
I don't see this as a dictatorship like we have seen in the past.
This is new, a scientific enslavement.
Suppose we don't know who the 'dictator' is?
What if the President has little real power and is a figurehead?
Look how many former FED members,
CFR members and the like are in Obama's staff.
Then look at Bush same shit right?
It goes back for some time to.

IMO, they play good cop bad cop.
They play mind games with us.
They even let us pick our figurehead.
Arn't they generous.
Its a slow process to turn the US people into citizens of the world.
 
Microdizzey

Microdizzey

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This song is great, and the pics in the vid are hilarious! :lol:


Use 9/11 as a tool of understanding of how this country is run and controlled. But know that the truth will never be revealed, so we must move on and expose these criminal scumbag murderers for what they really are.
 
GrowRebel

GrowRebel

Well-Known Member
Microdizzey said:
This song is great, and the pics in the vid are hilarious! :lol:
Use 9/11 as a tool of understanding of how this country is run and controlled. But know that the truth will never be revealed, so we must move on and expose these criminal scumbag murderers for what they really are.
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Nice video ... I will have to link it in my thread for the record. I like the visual imagery ... very effective.:blsmoke:
 
what... huh?

what... huh?

Active Member
TeaTreeOil said:
Uhm... Obama was trained and funded by the US(BILLIONS).... as are his terrorist underlings.

We encouraged and taught(*cough*indoctrinated) the radicals.

So, yes, definitely inside job.
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I said...

what... huh? said:
Obama is our president.

Osama is the guy with the funny beard.
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I then said.

what... huh? said:
The questions are poorly worded. I believe both answers are correct.
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Poll: Do you believe the official 911 commission report?

There was one question. I should have said question (singular) or options. I smoke sometimes. Sorry for the confusion.

I believe that they did their best to produce an explanation of very difficult circumstances... and I believe it is very flawed and certain conclusions seem very simply wrong. I also add that it was compiled in less than 2 years, 7 years ago.

I can say much more nasty things about the conspiracist's theory... which has been evolving for 8 years now.
 
jfgordon1

jfgordon1

Well-Known Member
what... huh? said:
I can say much more nasty things about the conspiracist's theory... which has been evolving for 8 years now.
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i'm sorry... but "THE theory" makes WAY more sense than people in caves and wipe with their left hand changed America for ever.

Why do you hate people questioning things so much ? :confused:
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

Well-Known Member
German General Hermann Goering was right.

"Voice or no voice the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country. "

Human nature doesn't stop at imaginary lines or borders or at a given point in time. It doesn't stop because "oh that stuff happened in WWII Germany a long time ago and it will never happen here in the USA today." Does anyone remember Water Gate? Gulf of Tonkin? Remember the Maine? How many things have happened we DON'T know about?

I've heard The 9/11 commission report omits references to building #7, that is either total incompetence or part of a coverup.

Concerning what happened - I agree there are 3 possibilities. There COULD be a full blown government conspiracy, there could be a coverup of government incompetency or there could be just a shitty report and no government involvement in the bombings. I don't know the truth. Things that are not impossible are possible. The more I pay attention to "truthers" the more I'm inclined to believe there is some validity to their claims.

The plane that "crashed" in Pennsylvania was probably shot down by USA military...that one I do believe could have happened. I believe the decision to do this may have been to "save lives" , to prevent it from crashing into a heavily populated area or another building.

What happened after 9/11, invading IRAQ was text book . Somewhere Hitler and Goering were smiling.
 
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PadawanBater

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I agree with you about flight 93 that crashed in PA.

But that brings up a question, if the government did actually shoot it down, why wouldn't the admit it? There is protocal written down that says if terrorists hijack an aircraft and intend to use it as a weapon, the US military has the authority to shoot it down at the presidents approval... So if they did, why not just admit it?

I've never seen any evidence that it simply crashed into the ground like the official report claims. No wreckage resembling a plane, no bodies, no luggage, etc.. nothing. Just a big hole filled with metal. Nothing else to indicate an aircraft crashed...
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

Well-Known Member
I don't know why government would cover up shooting down a plane in PA. I'm not 100% certain they did, but I don't find the idea ludicrous, to me it's very possible. Weren't there some eye witness accounts of military aircraft being seen in the area when the plane went down?

People have alot of vested interest in war, oil and the flood of contract money that was thrown away in the middle east. The United States does not follow it's own constitution, we aren't supposed to have a standing army...much less police the world. The 9/11 incidents gave rise to loss of liberty here in the uh "homeland". Basically I'm not optimistic about the future of freedom in this country. The enemy is within, and alot of people will realize this when it's too late.
 
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