600w Og Kush Indoor Soil

stright flush with molasses works every time

og18 said:

stright flush with molasses works every time

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Thanks og18, that is exactly what I will do then!

So I just double checked all my timers to make sure everything was dialed in, and I found that not only was my main fan that blows across my canopy and keeps my colas cool enough for my light to be as close as it is (~7 inches), not only was turning off about 5 minutes before the light went off, but there was actually a tick in the timer that was not pushed down all the way! So thats 15 minutes of baking light that they were going through while I was at work for the last three days. They didn't suffer too bad, but there is a slightly noticeable effect. With 35+ days to go still, I'm not too worried about it

Other then that things are looking (and smelling now that the lights are off) great!

Oh, and I think what I'm going to do is begin flushing on day 62, feed w/ nothing but RO water w/ a little bit of molasses (high quality of course) the 2 feedings between 62-67, and then continue to feed w/ straight RO the feed or two before harvest day 70-74ish depending on how the trichromes look. I need to get myself a scope to view them up close as well.

How does this sound to you the RIU community?

Oh bummer on the burn, you've got everything else right so they'll just think its a hot day in Mexico LOL Girls gotta sweat!

Flushing is something you do when you've screwed something up and are trying to correct the issues of over-feeding. Your plants look great, you haven't overfed them (yet ), so why flush? Adding molasses is really just a waste of time. It may be ever-so-slightly beneficial in living soil, but the food you're supplying your plants is coming from a bottle, molasses is simply not needed. In addition, why would you deprive your plants of the essentials at any time during the plant's life if your goal is to produce the best possible product? They're your plants though, keep up the good work.

homebrewer said:

Flushing is something you do when you've screwed something up and are trying to correct the issues of over-feeding. Your plants look great, you haven't overfed them (yet ), so why flush? Adding molasses is really just a waste of time. It may be ever-so-slightly beneficial in living soil, but the food you're supplying your plants is coming from a bottle, molasses is simply not needed. In addition, why would you deprive your plants of the essentials at any time during the plant's life if your goal is to produce the best possible product? They're your plants though, keep up the good work.

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I think this was just for his finish (last week) and to add flavour..

I've also heard about adding some vanilla extract.. I may try that with one of my pots just to experiment.

not to smash on hb but i thought that no matter what hydro-soil you should flush for the last
2wks i always did and it helped my final product

Well I figured that since they are in the roots soil they should have plenty of nutrients to live if not to 'excel', I just don't want to risk having an unflushed taste or any remnant of anything considering the medley of things I've been giving it and the dynagro isn't organic either, and I was just reading (in your thread coincidentally lol go figure) about how salts tend to accumulate throughout the life cycle of the plant, even little amounts will build up. So I figured if I did a flush in the manner I describe the molasses will help feed the soil colonies for the last 10-14 days of life w/o 'added' nutrients.

I appreciate your suggestion though of course and will keep it in mind as the day draws near, they still have ~35 days left so I still have plenty of time to see how things go and/or change my mind. I don't plan on increasing the nutrient schedule at all, so any burning ideally will be avoided.

Ottawa, I've never heard of vanilla extract, and while I wouldn't call someone crazy for doing it, I don't think I'm going to be giving that a try this go around. Thanks for the tip though!

og18 said:

not to smash on hb but i thought that no matter what hydro-soil you should flush for the last
2wks i always did and it helped my final product

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I think flushing is something cannabis growers invented. Tobacco growers don't flush, farmers can't flush their crops, I don't flush my veggie garden, why is cannabis flushed? For smoother smoke? The cure is what helps smooth out smoke. Not only is tobacco cured but cigars are cured as well. UB mentioned once that he thought flushing was invented by the dutch to atone for the sins of overfeeding. I tend to agree with that as the vast majority of cannabis growers really don't know how to feed and read their plants correctly. I think the BEST product comes from a plant whose nutritional needs have been met from start to finish and flushing is depriving the plant of the essential elements. I know my plants aren't the only ones that grow during weeks 7-9, why would I want them to go deficient? I'm not telling anyone what they should do but I think if you look at what you're actually doing to the plant, flushing is not a good idea.

While I understand that viewpoint, I'm hoping that b/c of the quality soil I have and the colonies I've been building all this time that w/ just the water, maybe a drop of magpro b/c its RO water, even though the magpro does have some flower booster in it, and some molasses, should be okay.

With hydro I think it would be severely depriving the plant though, yes.

homebrewer said:

I think flushing is something cannabis growers invented. Tobacco growers don't flush, farmers can't flush their crops, I don't flush my veggie garden, why is cannabis flushed? For smoother smoke? The cure is what helps smooth out smoke. Not only is tobacco cured but cigars are cured as well. UB mentioned once that he thought flushing was invented by the dutch to atone for the sins of overfeeding. I tend to agree with that as the vast majority of cannabis growers really don't know how to feed and read their plants correctly. I think the BEST product comes from a plant whose nutritional needs have been met from start to finish and flushing is depriving the plant of the essential elements. I know my plants aren't the only ones that grow during weeks 7-9, why would I want them to go deficient? I'm not telling anyone what they should do but I think if you look at what you're actually doing to the plant, flushing is not a good idea.

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homebrewer u are the dumbest fuck. have u ever grown yet alone SMOKED pot? flushing is essential, it gets rid of unwanted toxins. ever light up a joint that snaps and crackles when u drag... these are the toxins i speak of. providing a harsher smoke, a fouler taste.

so flushing IS a good idea, if u actually look what ur doing to the plant. u dumb fuck

and smokey sorry bro this guy annoys me he knows fuck all dnt listen to a word he says. dumbest bitch, but what i wanted to say is this grow looks fucking sex man!! aha this is exactly what i had in mind. i want some reserva privada OG kush, 600w. not sure how many of em yet lol but lookin real good man! impressed! i bet it smells like heaven in there! xD

It does smell incredible in there, my goodness!

I would recommend just using one plant, I have two in my space and it is working out great but I realize now that I could have gotten the same possibly even more using just one plant and training it more efficiently.

If you have the space though, by all means do multiple plants.

Thanks for the positive comments about my garden!

Just a quick update, no video this time, next time for sure though!

Day 37!, Lookin good!


A lower bud about halfway down the plant:


And here ya go!:

BambamLFC said:

homebrewer u are the dumbest fuck. have u ever grown yet alone SMOKED pot? flushing is essential, it gets rid of unwanted toxins. ever light up a joint that snaps and crackles when u drag... these are the toxins i speak of. providing a harsher smoke, a fouler taste.

so flushing IS a good idea, if u actually look what ur doing to the plant. u dumb fuck

and smokey sorry bro this guy annoys me he knows fuck all dnt listen to a word he says. dumbest bitch, but what i wanted to say is this grow looks fucking sex man!! aha this is exactly what i had in mind. i want some reserva privada OG kush, 600w. not sure how many of em yet lol but lookin real good man! impressed! i bet it smells like heaven in there! xD

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With the sickly, slow-growing plants in your journal, I'm surprised they let you join this site.

im not tryin to shoor now one dow but i thought that you were suppose to
but the only time they say you dont have to is in organics but everyone has their own
way of growing thats why we r here to give you our advise and see how everything is but be side that
hella nice looks like i see som purple comin out of the there hookers nice

Hey Smokey, nice grow! How do you like the All-Phase? Thinking about adding it to my arsenal.

The all phase is definitely great stuff but I have to admit it is not cheap, that bottle is ~40$ and is only lasting me about 2.5 weeks now to feed both plants at recommended schedule, I'm thinking of replacing it w/ something like Sweet next time I have to go and buy something just to save myself some money, as much as I like it and the beneficial bacterias it offers I think I would save money by using sweet and say H&G Multizym for the rest of the grow.

I'll see how my next check looks, if it's good I'm going to continue to use the all phase, and if I have enough I may even add Sweet to it just to give them a little more of a carb boost .

Reason why I would buy multizym even though I already have a 3/4 full bottle of hygrozyme is b/c I think hygrozyme is meant more for non-living medium IE hydroton+chemical nutes, while I am using chemical nutes Dynagro, I am using them in very low ppms (I don't own a measuring device but I know their low b/c I have never burned my plants and I have not increased dosage in like 2 weeks and plan on not increasing) so while I am using these nutes, the Allphase also helps build up the colonies w/ it's bacterias etc, plus I'm in soil, so I used hygrozyme for two feedings to clean the roots and promote plant health, but I do not think I will be using it for the rest of the grow, as I remember having a discussion w/ the guy at my local hydro shop about how it could possibly destroy portions of bacteria colonies b/c of it's "non bacteria" formula. In all reality, who the heck knows, not to mention I don't have a lot of money to just be buying new zymes, I'll have to have another long discussion w/ them when I go in this week to get a couple things and figure it out once and for all.

BambamLFC do you always come off like an ass?what the hell is your problem,people like HB are doing us all a favor.he and a handfull of others are teaching us how to grow better meds and save money. I believe you owe the man some respect from what i have seen in your profile your not even on his level.insted of calling him names you should be asking questions.

smokeymcpotterton said:

The all phase is definitely great stuff but I have to admit it is not cheap, that bottle is ~40$ and is only lasting me about 2.5 weeks now to feed both plants at recommended schedule, I'm thinking of replacing it w/ something like Sweet next time I have to go and buy something just to save myself some money, as much as I like it and the beneficial bacterias it offers I think I would save money by using sweet and say H&G Multizym for the rest of the grow.

I'll see how my next check looks, if it's good I'm going to continue to use the all phase, and if I have enough I may even add Sweet to it just to give them a little more of a carb boost .

Reason why I would buy multizym even though I already have a 3/4 full bottle of hygrozyme is b/c I think hygrozyme is meant more for non-living medium IE hydroton+chemical nutes, while I am using chemical nutes Dynagro, I am using them in very low ppms (I don't own a measuring device but I know their low b/c I have never burned my plants and I have not increased dosage in like 2 weeks and plan on not increasing) so while I am using these nutes, the Allphase also helps build up the colonies w/ it's bacterias etc, plus I'm in soil, so I used hygrozyme for two feedings to clean the roots and promote plant health, but I do not think I will be using it for the rest of the grow, as I remember having a discussion w/ the guy at my local hydro shop about how it could possibly destroy portions of bacteria colonies b/c of it's "non bacteria" formula. In all reality, who the heck knows, not to mention I don't have a lot of money to just be buying new zymes, I'll have to have another long discussion w/ them when I go in this week to get a couple things and figure it out once and for all.

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Nice man, thanks for the feedback. The hydro store tried to sell it to me and also said it was "inexpensive" (they don't have it yet, coming next week). I checked around the web and also discovered that at 1 oz per gallon its def not inexpensive lol. The Thunder I use is 1 oz per ten gallons. THAT is inexpensive. I did just find a gallon of TOT All-Phase for $40 bucks I will PM the link to you.

I've also been told the same that chemical ferts tend to ill-effect soil organics. Don't know how much truth there is to it, probably never will. I use them at about 1/4 tsp per gallon of jack's 20/20/20 - 300-400 ppm for my vegging plants then use super soil and organic ferts for flower. I try to re-introduce subcultures throughout flowering to promote a healthy root zone and break down any dead root/plant matter in the soil. Healthy roots mean healthy fruits!

And as far as flushing goes.... I would tend to agree with homebrewer. Commercial growers in Holland do flush their plants for exactly the reason he offered. They feed very aggressively and flush 2-3 times during flower, IMO specifically to avoid overfeeding, to clear the soil of their aggressive feeding habits and then rebuild the nutrient regiment for the plants requirements at various stages of the plant cycle. Plants do eat much less at the end of their cycle, water uptake slows in general and food requirements are much less in my experience. Me, I don't flush, I grow with pewp When I use synthetics I simply feed straight water for the last 5 days and let the plant leech the soil while it starts eating its own foliage. That's the extent of any flush I've done unless my PH was out of whack or my plant had too much food.

Cure it before you smoke it! Happy growing everyone.

Thanks for the good word Shwagbag!

I remember also someone told me back in the day on a different forum how to make 'lacto brew', that is pretty much what the allphase's heart is, lacto brew, which is all the bacterias, molasses, water, some salt, oat bran, it probably wouldn't be too expensive to make, I'll have to experiment in the future when I have more time (not any time soon).

I can see that logic w/ the flushing, but at the same time I just would not want herb that burns my throat and have it be due to not flushing, I would rather take the risk and do like you were saying a five day flush, at least. I'm still thinking 10-12 days, w/ a little bit of molasses for the first couple of feedings of it. One of these days when I have more availability to, I will grow enough at one time where I can test flushing one vs not flushing another and see for myself how I like it, but for now, w/ all the hard work I've been putting in, I'm going to play it safe and give it at least some kind of flush, albeit not a crazy heavy flush cycle. I feel the Roots Organic soil w/ my (hopefully) established bio colonies will still be enough to feed the plants, not to mention stored nutrients in the leaves, for it to be okay to feed and them still be able to grow.

Thanks again to everyone for your input, I really appreciate it!