4x4 Tent - Blue Hash and A-Train

I domed them overnight but they appear about the same. I've sprayed twice just for a little foliar humidity. Other than that, what else to do but watch and wait?


Here is a quick shot of the girls. My camera is at work so I snapped this off my phone. Day 21 veg.

smokingrubber said:

I domed them overnight but they appear about the same. I've sprayed twice just for a little foliar humidity. Other than that, what else to do but watch and wait?

Here is a quick shot of the girls. My camera is at work so I snapped this off my phone. Day 21 veg.

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Plants look good, mean and green.

Did you say the clones were rooted already? Once they pop out about 5 roots you should just transplant them and get them ready in their final homes. If you are still waiting for roots to pop out you should leave the dome on and forget about them for a couple of days.

Still waiting on roots to pop. I didn't turn them ALL over and look yet, but I will when I get home.


So here is my lastest plan to conquer the world (of weeeed):

1. upgrade to a 4x8 asap
2. upgrade/change to 600w dual digitals
3. upgrade intake & exhaust fans to dual 6" 300cfm (appropriate cfm for 4x8 tent)
4. TWELVE more pots
5. AC / Dehumidifier combo 10000btu

I am going to hold off on the EC for now. Hopefully I can set the AC to handle the top end heat and humididty problems and just let her go. With 300cfm for intake AND exhaust the room is completely air swapped in less than a minute anyway so what effect will the AC have? Seems like I'll be pretty dependant on outside air to control my temps.

So my W.D. (World Domination) equipment won't arrive till after the first of the year. That gives me about 3 more weeks to veg and train (lst) the girls. It will be far too late to start 12 more and veg them along side the others. By then, I will have 8 LSTed big girls and 4 three-week old clones. I will space them out in the 4x8 and flower them under the dual 600 hps. Since they're LSTed they should fluff out nicely and take up much of the available space in the first couple weeks of flower. Double the space probably won't mean double the bud this time around. It won't hurt though! Next time will be better planned.

smokingrubber said:

Still waiting on roots to pop. I didn't turn them ALL over and look yet, but I will when I get home.


So here is my lastest plan to conquer the world (of weeeed):

1. upgrade to a 4x8 asap
2. upgrade/change to 600w dual digitals
3. upgrade intake & exhaust fans to dual 6" 300cfm (appropriate cfm for 4x8 tent)
4. TWELVE more pots
5. AC / Dehumidifier combo 10000btu

I am going to hold off on the EC for now. Hopefully I can set the AC to handle the top end heat and humididty problems and just let her go. With 300cfm for intake AND exhaust the room is completely air swapped in less than a minute anyway so what effect will the AC have? Seems like I'll be pretty dependant on outside air to control my temps.

So my W.D. equipment won't arrive till after the first of the year. That gives me about 3 more weeks to veg and train (lst) the girls. By then, I will have 8 LSTed big girls and 4 three-week old clones. I will space them out in the 4x8 and flower them under the dual 600 hps. Since they're LSTed they should fluff out nicely and take up much of the available space in the first couple weeks of flower. Double the space probably won't mean double the bud this time around. It won't hurt though! Next time will be better planned.

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Quite the ambitious plan, and that shopping list looks quite similar to mine

The only recommendations I would make would be to have two 1Ks in there as opposed to two 600s - if you can handle the heat (which you can with an AC), then going to a bigger light is a no-brainer - denser nugs, better canopy penetration, etc. - the only downside is the electric cost (which will more then pay for itself many times over after your first harvest).

The other recommendation I would make is to make sure that your exhaust fan has a (fairly) significantly higher rating then your intake fan - remember, your exhaust has to pull/push through a filter, and that's in addition to the negative pressure that you'd like to create with both fans running.

In my 4x4 tent, my exhaust is 435CFM (pulling through a pretty big filter) and my intake is 170CFM, and that works out pretty well - might use the same system in my 4x8, as it's somewhat overkill in my 4x4.

Anyways, just my $.02.

DUAL 1000w? hmmmm .... {slow evil laugh} yes . . . WORLD DOMINATION can not be complete with puny 600s! Screw the power meter!

... yer killin me

I'm going to have to sit down and figure out all these amp loads. I don't want to buy a new power panel too. I thought 1200w, AC and 2 fans was pushing it.

smokingrubber said:

DUAL 1000w? hmmmm .... {slow evil laugh} yes . . . WORLD DOMINATION can not be complete with puny 600s! Screw the power meter!

... yer killin me

I'm going to have to sit down and figure out all these amp loads. I don't want to buy a new power panel too. I thought 1200w, AC and 2 fans was pushing it.

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See, if you would've been paying attention to my thread, I had to break down all my tents and hide them in a spare bedroom while I paid an electrician $500 to give me 60 amps in my garage................muhahahhahahaha

All about proper planning in this game (although if my planning was "truly" proper, I'd have thought of that before I even started).

Anyways Rubber, check out my thread when you get a chance - some cool shit going down these days.

Trying to run 144 plants for my next run, should be interesting to say the least.

Also fucking around with the generator today.

Oh I've been lurking! I haven't missed a minute.

I just wasn't planning to go this big in the condo. It's not too big of a deal though cuz my electrician already knows what im doing. It wouldn't be a big deal to have him come out but I might have to buy a bigger panel. I think this one is a 30amp. Those are not cheap either!

Maybe won't have to. Each 1000w 240v pulls 4.5A. That ain't too bad at all. The dual 600w only pulls 5.5A but screw the meter. My 30A panel should handle everything just fine. I will do some math though because the AC will pull about 10amp, and I think the whole thing is tied into a 20 amp circuit breaker outside. AND I have to run my dryer on that plug!

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Maybe won't have to. Each 1000w 240v pulls 4.5A. That ain't too bad at all. The dual 600w only pulls 5.5A but screw the meter. My 30A panel should handle everything just fine. I will do some math though because the AC will pull about 10amp, and I think the whole thing is tied into a 20 amp circuit breaker outside. AND I have to run my dryer on that plug!

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You can get a 240V AC that only pulls 5 amps.

That would sure help. I will look into that, thanks.

Yeah, I wouldn't run dual 600's. I am assuming you are wanting to run 4 600w lamps then? That's just crazy, 2x 1000w would be wiser, although I think in a 4x8 I would try 3x600w in a line down the center and air cool them all in one string. That way you can get the lights down lower and using 1800w's vs 2000w(1kx2) you will get REALLY good coverage and plenty of penetration due to how low you can keep the lights (not as hot and the 3 seperate lamps will make coverage easier at lower heights).

You are definitely on the right track to growin' more bud for your dollar though. As far as the outside air controlling the temp of your room the way I got around that was to actually make the A/C my only intake. You don't need an intake fan if the A/C IS your intake. I put the A/C outside the room and "nigga rigged" it to accumulate all of the cold air down to one vent. I ran the vent into the room with a small inline fan on it. So now my intake air is cooled as it goes in.

The problem I always had with that setup is getting an A/C that will allow a remote thermostat so your grow room temp kicks on the A/C condensor and leaves the fan running all the time. I have always done mine by temperature testing room based upon the temp outside. I know that on any day over 78 degrees I need to run the A/C or my canopy temperature will reach 85 degrees.

The good news? I run my flowering cycles at night and I veg with flouro's, that means that my plants sleep during the 12 daylight hours when temps are more likely to be over 78 degrees. So I only REALLY need the A/C when the temps are over 78 degrees AT NIGHT. Finally being able to do it this way opens up some many more doors.

You've got options, just make sure you think it all through...it's fun isn't it?

Yes, it really is a lot of fun

I was thinking of just two 600s. Everyone says they're equal to 1000w magnetics and I have NO problems with my 1000w now I figured 2x600 would be the optimum? I like 2x1000w too though Just gotta make sure I'm not going to start a fire.

I am running during the day because I know the plants appreciate the temperature drop at night and I like visiting them during the day. Right now my daytime tent temps are at about 72-78 and my night temps are about 60-65. The plants seem to enjoy it.

I will have to do something to create negative pressure. Maybe I'll knock the supply line down to 4" just before it comes into the tent. That may create enough of a flow difference.

I really like the idea of two 1000w digitals.

One big problem: How do I plug in two 240v timer boxes? The first timer covers all the other plugs? Any ideas w/ links would help!

You could easily plug it into the two outlets above the timer, no?

Looks like there's plenty of room from where I stand..................and I'm probably gonna have some electrical questions for you in a minute, assuming you know something about your setup and what's going on in there.

I need to plug in another timer though. It won't fit, and the first timer has a huge cable coming off the side almost covering all the 110v plugs.

I can't find a 240v Y connecter. I can't find a relatively cheap dual 240v timer. It's looking like my Domination of the World will have to occur with dual 600s, just cuz they're all I can plug in.

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I can't find a 240v Y connecter. I can't find a relatively cheap dual 240v timer. It's looking like my Domination of the World will have to occur with dual 600s, just cuz they're all I can plug in.

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Go with the dual 600's because you'll eventually want 3. What's the point of ruling the earth without the heavens?

My vote is obviously for dual 1Ks; simpler to setup and the buds will be denser.

Light coverage is not an issue with a 1K covering a 4x4 footprint with any decent reflector (even a cheap one will work).

Three reflectors would get real crowded real fast in an 8x4 tent, and you're still going to be lacking coverage on the perimeter because of the lessened light intensity.

Bob Smith said:

My vote is obviously for dual 1Ks; simpler to setup and the buds will be denser.

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Dual 600's is WAY simpler to set up!

To set up dual 1000w:
1. Purchase two 1000w digital ballasts @ $400 ea = $800
2. Purchase industial dual 240v timer @ 250
Total = $1050

To set up dual 600w:
1. Purchase one dual 600w ballast @ 440
Total = $440

If I go with the 600s I can use the timer I've already got. If it wern't for the added cost of the dual timer, I would really like to go with the 1000w for light coverage.

Bob Smith said:

My vote is obviously for dual 1Ks; simpler to setup and the buds will be denser.

Light coverage is not an issue with a 1K covering a 4x4 footprint with any decent reflector (even a cheap one will work).

Three reflectors would get real crowded real fast in an 8x4 tent, and you're still going to be lacking coverage on the perimeter because of the lessened light intensity.

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Man you've lost your mind. You think you'll get better coverage and denser buds with 2x 1000w versus 3x 600w you're blowin' smoke instead of inhalin' it.

Your light intensity and coverage will be much improved with ultimately having 3 lights. 1800w's is also a nice number....but just for the sake of having fun with you I will point out that the average 1000w lamp puts out ~150,000 lumens while 600w lamps put out ~96,000 lumens.

Any way you slice it you're going to put out ~300,000 lumens except your 600's will be a solid 12" closer to the plants and spread more evenly.