4x4 Tent - Blue Hash and A-Train

Abnjm · Dec 5, 2009

smokingrubber said:
I've been really torn with this. Tossing and turning all night (I need a life). Should I LST - Top to 2 - Top to 4 - Leave em be? They're at about the size that I need to make a decision. I'm leaning toward Top to 4 and I'm sure I'll screw up a few of those so I'll end up with a few 2's. What do you think?

Day 10 in veg tent.

I'm not a Weed Baron, and I don't play one on TV; but I vote LST. Topping and FIM'ing are both effective methods of canopy control, but I've read that these methods reduce the auxins going to each growth tip, which causes potency to suffer. I'm not saying it's a fact, but you can get the lower branches to "catch up" by simply tying the plant down and retain the strong main growth tip.

Just my $0.02....

Good luck!

smokingrubber · Dec 5, 2009

Abnjm said:
I'm not a Weed Baron, and I don't play one on TV; but I vote LST. Topping and FIM'ing are both effective methods of canopy control, but I've read that these methods reduce the auxins going to each growth tip, which causes potency to suffer. I'm not saying it's a fact, but you can get the lower branches to "catch up" by simply tying the plant down and retain the strong main growth tip.

Just my $0.02....

Good luck!

I like where you're going with it. Okay but how overgrown will the tundra become? Yours is only 2 feet deep and I bet it's a bitch to find the back. I'm just afraid of biting off more than I can chew. Gotta smoke on it. I don't wanna be greedy and fuck it up cuz I didn't know what I was doing. I still have a week or so before I need to start training them don't I?

bongsmilie

Yeah gotta burn some thinking weed. Today's menu has Grape Ape and Blue Hash. BRB :eyesmoke:

Abnjm · Dec 5, 2009

smokingrubber said:
I like where you're going with it. Okay but how overgrown will the tundra become? Yours is only 2 feet deep and I bet it's a bitch to find the back. I'm just afraid of biting off more than I can chew. Gotta smoke on it. I don't wanna be greedy and fuck it up cuz I didn't know what I was doing. I still have a week or so before I need to start training them don't I?

Yeah gotta burn some thinking weed. Today's menu has Grape Ape and Blue Hash. BRB

My previous tent was 4' x 4', and I had a hell of a time working with the back plants when I didn't manage the canopy. The Sun Hut has front and back openings, so it's no longer an issue.

You still have plenty of time. I started my LST on the 10th day in the tent. I don't think I'll ever do the whole 360 degree LST. In fact, I barely got 1/4 the way around on this grow. On my next production grow I am just going to take them to the other side of the pot. This will give me enough vertical space in the tent, and make them pretty bushy.

Heading to my buddy's house to deliver an AK-48 mom and check out his new flower room.

I think there might be some thinking weed involved....

Good luck!

smokingrubber · Dec 5, 2009

The GrowLab opens up all the way around. I would still have to move some crap in the garage to get all the way around it. But I guess it's got to be done.

I see growth every day, so I know it's growing fast . . . but it's not growing fast enough! Is it just me?

49ER Tickets for Sale: I'm poorer than usual right now. I'd really love to change the res but not enough $ for nutes till next weekend, since I will need the full Monty. That'll be about 16 days on this res and that's a little abbusive imo. Anyway, if there are any 49er fans out there, I've got 2 tickets and a parking pass for next week's Monday Night Football game against the Cardinals. I'm trying to get 3 for em, but I'm willing to talk to a RIU & 49er fan. Candinal fans should keep looking. LOL.

laserbrn · Dec 6, 2009

smokingrubber said:
The GrowLab opens up all the way around. I would still have to move some crap in the garage to get all the way around it. But I guess it's got to be done.

I see growth every day, so I know it's growing fast . . . but it's not growing fast enough! Is it just me?

49ER Tickets for Sale: I'm poorer than usual right now. I'd really love to change the res but not enough $ for nutes till next weekend, since I will need the full Monty. That'll be about 16 days on this res and that's a little abbusive imo. Anyway, if there are any 49er fans out there, I've got 2 tickets and a parking pass for next week's Monday Night Football game against the Cardinals. I'm trying to get 3 for em, but I'm willing to talk to a RIU & 49er fan. Candinal fans should keep looking. LOL.

Wish I could get in on those tickets, but I don't get paid until Tues. I'm sure someone will take them off your hands. Craigslist or ebay usually works pretty well.

Post up some pics of the growth and we'll see how it's going. You started at the same time I did right? Things just start off really, really slow. It's best to try to ignore them for the first 3 weeks or so. After that it's on like donkey kong and you can't keep it under control.

I feel like this FI is struggling along too, but it'll pull through and continue on it's way. Still not even on nutrients yet.

smokingrubber · Dec 6, 2009

Ring me up tuesday if you want em. It probably depends on the outcome of today, to determine demand. We'll see. They're on Craigslist already.

I think I started a week or so before you. I'm at 28 days since germ and 11 days veg.

Left to right:
2 from outside the tent
3 Blue Hash (the runt got designated BH3 cuz its a runt but its the 2nd pic)
1 LA Woman
3 A-Train
1 Lemon Skunk
1 Where I stand for an hour after work every day
1 The Engine Room

The runt and the Lemon Skunk are likely to be compost soon. The tips of the big ones are starting to curl up a bit. It's been cold so I've had a small elec heater on low in the garage. RH is at about 40%. What can I do without spending a bunch of caish?

Abnjm · Dec 6, 2009

smokingrubber said:
Ring me up tuesday if you want em. It probably depends on the outcome of today, to determine demand. We'll see. They're on Craigslist already.

I think I started a week or so before you. I'm at 28 days since germ and 11 days veg.

Left to right:
2 from outside the tent
3 Blue Hash (the runt got designated BH3 cuz its a runt but its the 2nd pic)
1 LA Woman
3 A-Train
1 Lemon Skunk
1 Where I stand for an hour after work every day
1 The Engine Room

The runt and the Lemon Skunk are likely to be compost soon. The tips of the big ones are starting to curl up a bit. It's been cold so I've had a small elec heater on low in the garage. RH is at about 40%. What can I do without spending a bunch of caish?

I'd hold on to the runt and Lemon Skunk. You never know how these plants will perform down the road. Sometimes the worst early-performers pick it up and shine in flower.... Besides, do you have plants at a similar age to re-fill the empty buckets?

Your leaves look healthy to my old eyes. No sign of overnute or temperature issues. If I'm reading your themometer correctly the tent is at 66.3F and 60F outside. If you are 6F higher than ambient, you've got the light properly cooled. You have plenty of heat available from the 1000w, is there any way you can feed the exhaust (or some of it) into the garage?

Just throwin' shit against the wall....

smokingrubber · Dec 6, 2009

Abnjm said:
I'd hold on to the runt and Lemon Skunk. You never know how these plants will perform down the road. Sometimes the worst early-performers pick it up and shine in flower.... Besides, do you have plants at a similar age to re-fill the empty buckets?

Your leaves look healthy to my old eyes. No sign of overnute or temperature issues. If I'm reading your themometer correctly the tent is at 66.3F and 60F outside. If you are 6F higher than ambient, you've got the light properly cooled. You have plenty of heat available from the 1000w, is there any way you can feed the exhaust (or some of it) into the garage?

Just throwin' shit against the wall....

I've clones coming. Had a little hickup on that but I will definately wait until I've got something better to replace them with.

I really haven't figured out the whole inside/outside info regarding RH on this thermometer. Who needs to know RH inside the house? But yeah, I'm pretty sure the inside of the tent has been 5-10 degrees warmer than the garage. I'm hoping Santa brings me a Sentinal Climate Controller

This is about as cold as it gets around here.

Here are some closer shots of A-Train #1

laserbrn · Dec 6, 2009

smokingrubber said:
I've clones coming. Had a little hickup on that but I will definately wait until I've got something better to replace them with.

I really haven't figured out the whole inside/outside info regarding RH on this thermometer. Who needs to know RH inside the house? But yeah, I'm pretty sure the inside of the tent has been 5-10 degrees warmer than the garage. I'm hoping Santa brings me a Sentinal Climate Controller This is about as cold as it gets around here.

Here are some closer shots of A-Train #1

Things look pretty good to me. Only time I see that curling on the leaves is on the plant closest to my fan in my grow space. Only thing I can suggest is to shuffle things around if possible (don't know how moveable things are in that setup) so you can eliminate the heater or any other variables.

smokingrubber · Dec 6, 2009

No one noticed my LA Woman in the middle?

Abnjm · Dec 6, 2009

smokingrubber said:
No one noticed my LA Woman in the middle?

My eyes are old, but it looks fine to me. A little light in color, but that could be the lighting.

alexonfire · Dec 6, 2009

wow you've got some really good strains in there. Cant wait until the get bigger

smokingrubber · Dec 6, 2009

Abnjm said:
My eyes are old, but it looks fine to me. A little light in color, but that could be the lighting.

I think you were looking at the wrong picture.

See her now? Found her in the 80s. Good times

Hoosier Homegrown · Dec 6, 2009

I am using BC with The purps right now in a similar set up. I ran into a N-K deficiencies when i was in a veg state...But once i switched to bloom and a higher PPM i was fine...but my soil is full of vermiculite perlite and coco fibers....if you have good draining try a higher PPM

Abnjm · Dec 6, 2009

smokingrubber said:
I think you were looking at the wrong picture.

See her now? Found her in the 80s. Good times

I remember giggling when I saw her. I meant to warn you that you had a nekkid chick in ur tent. But, I'm a bit blazed and forgot to put it in my response... :blsmoke:

Very cool!

Bob Smith · Dec 7, 2009

Abnjm said:
I'd hold on to the runt and Lemon Skunk. You never know how these plants will perform down the road. Sometimes the worst early-performers pick it up and shine in flower.... Besides, do you have plants at a similar age to re-fill the empty buckets?

Your leaves look healthy to my old eyes. No sign of overnute or temperature issues. If I'm reading your themometer correctly the tent is at 66.3F and 60F outside. If you are 6F higher than ambient, you've got the light properly cooled. You have plenty of heat available from the 1000w, is there any way you can feed the exhaust (or some of it) into the garage?

Just throwin' shit against the wall....

I have had to do that as well in my tent - temps in my garage are only in the 50-60 range these days, so instead of air-cooling my light and running an electric heater inside the tent, I unplugged the fan that cools my light, and just use the heat produced by my uncooled 1000W to warm the tent.

I'd definitely recommend that for efficiency, although be careful you don't roast them - I've got the Sentinel so I can relax a little, but make sure it doesn't get too hot in there.

smokingrubber · Dec 7, 2009

I will keep an eye on it for sure. With the fan outside the tent, everything is getting sucked out. I would have to tap the exhaust line and run it back to the tent somehow. It's looks so clean right now, I don't know. Im hoping that they'll "buck up" a little and take it on the chin. Help is on the way.

Bob, does the Sentinal control the fan speed? Can I just plug in the fan and let the Sentinal control evertything? If it kicked on full blast, it would clear the room in seconds. Otherwise, I can leave the fan controller inline and adjust it manually. Also, what about fans inside the tent? Does it kick those on and off for Co2?

Bob Smith · Dec 7, 2009

smokingrubber said:
I will keep an eye on it for sure. With the fan outside the tent, everything is getting sucked out. I would have to tap the exhaust line and run it back to the tent somehow. It's looks so clean right now, I don't know. Im hoping that they'll "buck up" a little and take it on the chin. Help is on the way.

Bob, does the Sentinal control the fan speed? Can I just plug in the fan and let the Sentinal control evertything? If it kicked on full blast, it would clear the room in seconds. Otherwise, I can leave the fan controller inline and adjust it manually. Also, what about fans inside the tent? Does it kick those on and off for Co2?

No, the Sentinel doesn't control the fan speed, but yes, you can just plug in the fan and let the Sentinel control everything.

Like you, my fans totally exhaust the tent air in <1 minute, so it doesn't take very long.

As far as the fans in the tent, do you mean the 12" oscillating fan? Because that's always on, 24/7.

As far as the three inline fans (one hooked up to carbon filter, one to light, and then one for intake), yes, it controls the intake and exhaust fans, but the light-cooling fan is on the same timer as the light is.

Going to change this, and perhaps use my CAP-TMp (thermostate) to control that fan, leaving it off (no air-cooling) until the temps reach about 81, when it'll kick on (I could just have that fan controlled with the intake and exhaust fans by the Sentinel, but I try to minimize them coming on in order to conserve CO2).

Ran out of CO2 last night and the refill place is closed today - looking at generators online right now, I'm already tired of refilling these tanks.

smokingrubber · Dec 7, 2009

I thought you just refilled those? How long are the tanks lasting? Please keep us informed on your generator hunt. "WE" need one that doesn't have to be in the tent. Have to make sure filling the propane bottles isn't more frequent and more $ than filling the Co2 tanks.

Bob Smith · Dec 7, 2009

smokingrubber said:
I thought you just refilled those? How long are the tanks lasting? Please keep us informed on your generator hunt. "WE" need one that doesn't have to be in the tent. Have to make sure filling the propane bottles isn't more frequent and more $ than filling the Co2 tanks.

I refilled them the first (and only, so far) time (hold on, checking picture dates) on October 27th, but didn't start using my big tent until November 10th.

So, have gone through three tanks in about 30 days, but to be fair, 24 of those days were vegging with the CO2 running 24/7, and the first tank that I put on I installed incorrectly and let a lot of the gas out.

Regardless, propane is much, much, much more efficient then bottled CO2.

Using the link below and running some numbers (one pound of liquid CO2 is equivalent to 7 pounds of gaseous CO2, so each 20# tank gives you 140 cubic feet of gas), the numbers are overwhelming.

One 25# tank of propane will get me 2700 cubic feet of CO2, whereas each 20 pound bottle gets me 140. That's more then 19 times as efficient.

https://www.greenair.com/page/co2-generator-size-and-timing-chart.html

EDIT: even taking into account that the delivery system for CO2 is more efficient with a regulator and tanks, it's nowhere near worth the time and money of getting them refilled every 30-50 days. Also, there's nothing shady about getting a propane tank filled, whereas I'm anticipating some shady looks from the welding supply store guys already, and am somewhat dreading if I have to go again in another month or two.

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