4x4 Grow tent Build, help (4-Ak47s)

Green__Zer0

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Need help, can i put 4x4 600hps tent in bedroom doesn't need to be stealthy just worried about heat/ventalation. I want the best quality and im willing to work for it. Also, I have money to spend so im open to all suggestions and feel free to correct me if im off track. The picture below are exhaust options. Bedrooms temps are 65-80 summer and winter. Room dimensions are 8h x 15L x 11w
 

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astronautrob

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People are trying to help you but when you start a new thread every 5 minutes your not going to get help. Just stick with one thread and ask additional questions on it.
 

Green__Zer0

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People are trying to help you but when you start a new thread every 5 minutes your not going to get help. Just stick with one thread and ask additional questions on it.
The last thread was a question about "heat" in a specific area this thread is "build" recommendations what are you talking about? They dont seem the same to me
 

astronautrob

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The last thread was a question about "heat" in a specific area this thread is "build" recommendations what are you talking about? They dont seem the same to me
Heat mitigation is a part of one's build so there's no need to create additional threads to ask about every particular aspect of your build.
But to answer your question, if you're going to do a tent the easiest thing to do IMO would be to get a cool tube and exhaust the hot air out of the tent. 600w isn't anything crazy so a 6in inline maybe 400ish cfm ( probably could do less but if you want exact numbers you'd have to research a little), but if you get a speed controller, which you should, might as well get a bigger fan if you have the money.
 

Green__Zer0

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Heat mitigation is a part of one's build so there's no need to create additional threads to ask about every particular aspect of your build.
But to answer your question, if you're going to do a tent the easiest thing to do IMO would be to get a cool tube and exhaust the hot air out of the tent. 600w isn't anything crazy so a 6in inline maybe 400ish cfm ( probably could do less but if you want exact numbers you'd have to research a little), but if you get a speed controller, which you should, might as well get a bigger fan if you have the money.
Thank you brother im new to this site sorry. Can I use air cooled hood instead? And if yes will it be small enough to fit in 4x4x7 tent?
 

Green__Zer0

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Heat mitigation is a part of one's build so there's no need to create additional threads to ask about every particular aspect of your build.
But to answer your question, if you're going to do a tent the easiest thing to do IMO would be to get a cool tube and exhaust the hot air out of the tent. 600w isn't anything crazy so a 6in inline maybe 400ish cfm ( probably could do less but if you want exact numbers you'd have to research a little), but if you get a speed controller, which you should, might as well get a bigger fan if you have the money.
ive also decided to go with a triplite portable ac for IT server rooms to cool and dehumidify surrounding area of grow tent.
 

astronautrob

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Thank you brother im new to this site sorry. Can I use air cooled hood instead? And if yes will it be small enough to fit in 4x4x7 tent?
No problem dude. Yea you could do a cooled hood if you want, that should fit fine. Do you have one in mind or picked out already? Would probably just want to double check the specs on it but you'll be fine 4x4 is a big tent that's what I grow in.
 

Green__Zer0

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No problem dude. Yea you could do a cooled hood if you want, that should fit fine. Do you have one in mind or picked out already? Would probably just want to double check the specs on it but you'll be fine 4x4 is a big tent that's what I grow in.
  • Dimension: 24" x 17" x 9" Air Duct: 6" Apollo air cooled hood.
 

astronautrob

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Yup, that would work fine. And, I mean, you could do the extra A/C unit if you want, it sounds like you're not to worried about money, but it were me that would be that last thing I would buy. I would buy EVERYTHING else first, set it up, and just run it awhile to actually see how hot it gets. If you need the A/C then by all means get it, but you might not.
 

Green__Zer0

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Yup, that would work fine. And, I mean, you could do the extra A/C unit if you want, it sounds like you're not to worried about money, but it were me that would be that last thing I would buy. I would buy EVERYTHING else first, set it up, and just run it awhile to actually see how hot it gets. If you need the A/C then by all means get it, but you might not.
Great advice ac will be last. I will buy everything else, run it, and repost if necessary. Should i test run setup without plants to ensure they have good environment before purchase. Or test run setup with plants?
 

astronautrob

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Wait, how would you test run it with plants....like house plants or you do already having herb plants that are grown? Lol, sorry bro that question kind of confused me. I think I see what you're saying though, and really you can throw plants under there right away just make sure to keep it an eye on it till you get everything dialed in. Shouldn't take you longer than a day or two to get it where you want it though.
 

bro54209

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Great advice ac will be last. I will buy everything else, run it, and repost if necessary. Should i test run setup without plants to ensure they have good environment before purchase. Or test run setup with plants?
test running without plants will take 30minutes-2 hrs playing around with light and fan controls my temp is at its max temp around 40 minutes, might as well test out without its definitely easier to install stuff without knocking over red solos, I'm going to try cloning for the 1st time on the ones that won't be the future mother while the moms get fat n juicy. Im currently running 300watts in my 4x4 in my room at ~77 degrees, bout to install my filter and am afraid of it heating up and was hoping to use at least (75% 450watts) without it going over 80, i have to leave my window open in my room while I'm there with one half 60degrees the other almost 80. I think if i moved my fan closer to the light without ducting between that it would possibly drop a couple degrees but I'd hate to waste time trying to figure out how to hang them rather than the fan directly ontop the tent
 

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test running without plants will take 30minutes-2 hrs playing around with light and fan controls my temp is at its max temp around 40 minutes, might as well test out without its definitely easier to install stuff without knocking over red solos, I'm going to try cloning for the 1st time on the ones that won't be the future mother while the moms get fat n juicy. Im currently running 300watts in my 4x4 in my room at ~77 degrees, bout to install my filter and am afraid of it heating up and was hoping to use at least (75% 450watts) without it going over 80, i have to leave my window open in my room while I'm there with one half 60degrees the other almost 80. I think if i moved my fan closer to the light without ducting between that it would possibly drop a couple degrees but I'd hate to waste time trying to figure out how to hang them rather than the fan directly ontop the tent
That would probably work bro. Another thing you might try is fitting the fan to push cool air over the light instead of pulling it. That's how I have it set up in my 4x4 and I run 400w with my fan on low temps at 72 no problem. But I think for sure if you move the fan closer it'd help either way.
 

bro54209

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That would probably work bro. Another thing you might try is fitting the fan to push cool air over the light instead of pulling it. That's how I have it set up in my 4x4 and I run 400w with my fan on low temps at 72 no problem. But I think for sure if you move the fan closer it'd help either way.
Awesome! I was really hoping to bump up the power without needing to buy an ac unit, to have the fan on the filter before the light would be best to prevent leaks with positive pressure in the ducting but that positive pressure blowing over the light would increase the heat (just the pressure) wouldn't it? The more pressure the more heat so I'd imagine it would be slightly cooler sucking the hot air, however the fan would last longer blowing cooler air than sucking heat right? Im going to make it as linear as possible with the outtake horizontally rather than bending the duct 90 to push up, i figured the heat would escape easier if it was pointing up but now i think a more direct connection would be much more superior
 

Green__Zer0

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test running without plants will take 30minutes-2 hrs playing around with light and fan controls my temp is at its max temp around 40 minutes, might as well test out without its definitely easier to install stuff without knocking over red solos, I'm going to try cloning for the 1st time on the ones that won't be the future mother while the moms get fat n juicy. Im currently running 300watts in my 4x4 in my room at ~77 degrees, bout to install my filter and am afraid of it heating up and was hoping to use at least (75% 450watts) without it going over 80, i have to leave my window open in my room while I'm there with one half 60degrees the other almost 80. I think if i moved my fan closer to the light without ducting between that it would possibly drop a couple degrees but I'd hate to waste time trying to figure out how to hang them rather than the fan directly ontop the tent
Great, im trying to get as much information as possible. Grow setup coming early February.
 

astronautrob

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Awesome! I was really hoping to bump up the power without needing to buy an ac unit, to have the fan on the filter before the light would be best to prevent leaks with positive pressure in the ducting but that positive pressure blowing over the light would increase the heat (just the pressure) wouldn't it? The more pressure the more heat so I'd imagine it would be slightly cooler sucking the hot air, however the fan would last longer blowing cooler air than sucking heat right? Im going to make it as linear as possible with the outtake horizontally rather than bending the duct 90 to push up, i figured the heat would escape easier if it was pointing up but now i think a more direct connection would be much more superior
Yea I actually swap out to a 1000w a week in to flowering and it handles it fine, just got to bump up the power on the fan a good bit to compensate. As to your question, really good question, I don't know the answer unfortunately. I've had my fan set up both ways though (before and after the light, positive and negative pressure) and haven't found a difference in added heat. Logically having the positive pressure does increase pressure but idt that extra pressure creates any additional heat. I could be wrong though, that's just my experience. And yes, the more direct you can make it the better.
 
Awesome! I was really hoping to bump up the power without needing to buy an ac unit, to have the fan on the filter before the light would be best to prevent leaks with positive pressure in the ducting but that positive pressure blowing over the light would increase the heat (just the pressure) wouldn't it? The more pressure the more heat so I'd imagine it would be slightly cooler sucking the hot air, however the fan would last longer blowing cooler air than sucking heat right? Im going to make it as linear as possible with the outtake horizontally rather than bending the duct 90 to push up, i figured the heat would escape easier if it was pointing up but now i think a more direct connection would be much more superior
In my experience, the difference in temperature when comparing room pressure has come mostly due to the decreased efficiency of the air flow when I have arranged a fan or fans to create positive pressure. For example, active intake-passive exhaust. Also, if your room isn't well sealed, you will have leaks, as someone mentioned already. The upside is that you can significantly lower the humidity with increased pressure alone. In addition to the single fan method, you could run two fans with significantly different cfm or use a speed controller on one or both for the most specific control. However, it's likely that the speed controllers will shorten the life of your fans to some degree.
 

bro54209

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For example, active intake-passive exhaust. Also, if your room isn't well sealed, you will have leaks, as someone mentioned already. The upside is that you can significantly lower the humidity with increased pressure alone.
Just trying to get on the same page, did you mean active intake passive exhaust as (passive intake at bottom of tent)>>> filter above light>>>fan>>>light>>>passive out? Or the fan pumping air directly in from the bottom? Otherwise i wouldn't know how that air would get filtered before it passively exhausts through the filter? And i was referring to positive pressure inside the duct by the fan blowing over the light then out, that way any pinhole leaks in ducting will go back inside the tent and would get sucked back through the filter, of course a negative air pressure inside the tent itself so that the stink can't escape
 
Ya, sorry that I forgot to keep it tent-specific. The simplest version of a positive pressure system in a tent would be intake fan-->lights-->open air inside tent. Additionally, but separately, filter-->outside of tent. (Another option would be to, instead, bypass the lights and intake directly into the open air inside the tent) A majority of the air will still flow through the filter in this setup, but it will almost certainly leak air out of what I assume are a good number of small gaps in even a nice tent's construction. Some variation of this may work in a tent, but it's possible you'll run into heat issues as it's an intentionally inefficient circulation of the air. I've only run environments like this in garage-sized rooms. It might not work for you, but I think it's an important concept to understand for environmental control generally.

Alternately, you could pressurize the room that your tent resides within, but you would obviously need two fans minimum. One to move air through the tent and the other to pressurize the room. This just gave me a thought too; maybe it would be possible to pressurize a tent within a room of negative pressure. This could allow you to fully filter your exhaust but also may lead to condensation in the outer room. Sorry if I'm gettin off track, hope some of this is applicable.
 
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