40th Anniversary of the Moon landings... woot!

Something sure isn't right. We're losing our national momentum perhaps. The Phoenix rises, but surely it must fall as well.

CrackerJax said:

I read your posts....I stand by my comments

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...but of course you'll conveniently sidestep away from providing a quote where i discredited the moon mission and advencements from. so i guess that takes the steam right out of your retort...but you go ahead and keep standing by it. maybe passing readers will be impressed

CrackerJax said:

No one is saying we are going to shoot off towards Mars with a manned spacecraft right off. It will take many steps in between to do it. Just like the moon attempts which started in trips to the edge of space, with the amazing Chuck Yeager. In the same methodology that has given you all of the modern devices you use on a daily basis and take for granted, a foundational layering of innovation was necessary to perfect even the toaster in your kitchen.

It's all about learning. Don't forget that from Kennedy's BOLD assertion to go to the Moon (which many think was a foolhardy speech), we were on that Moon just 8 years later. 8 years! Truly Americas shining moment of achievement if we do nothing else.
Robots yes, to start, but in the end we'll get there, in person.
It has to start somewhere and believe me Nasa knows all about its limitations. It's all about making the foundation, layer upon layer, until the objective is achieved.

Captain Kirk would throttle you...

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and 20 years later when we boldly go where no man has gone before, we will have sacrificed much more innovation just to satisfy our own hubris. we could, as i said, invest the resources in solving the speed problem for deep space exploration, telescopic technology (laughing at that one proves ignorance since its a top priority at nasa, shelved for this circus)...how about planetary defense from giant objects which may or may not impact the earth. instead we have to go way way WAAAAY the hell out of our and build a launch pad on the moon just so we can send humans to mars so they can do far less thorough, lengthy, frequent research for exponentially more money which we don't have.

all the grandstanding about landing on the moon doesnt change the fact that we don't need to send a living being to mars just to confirm that...yup...it really is exactly what nasa has said it was thanks to the aready launched probes and land roving equipment.

i believe in using our space program to advance our knowledge of the universe as opposed to just seeing how far we can go to plant flags and sing "america!!! fuck yeah!!!"

to each their own i guess.

PVS said:

...but of course you'll conveniently sidestep away from providing a quote where i discredited the moon mission and advencements from. so i guess that takes the steam right out of your retort...but you go ahead and keep standing by it. maybe passing readers will be impressed



and 20 years later when we boldly go where no man has gone before, we will have sacrificed much more innovation just to satisfy our own hubris. we could, as i said, invest the resources in solving the speed problem for deep space exploration, telescopic technology (laughing at that one proves ignorance since its a top priority at nasa, shelved for this circus)...how about planetary defense from giant objects which may or may not impact the earth. instead we have to go way way WAAAAY the hell out of our and build a launch pad on the moon just so we can send humans to mars so they can do far less thorough, lengthy, frequent research for exponentially more money which we don't have.

all the grandstanding about landing on the moon doesnt change the fact that we don't need to send a living being to mars just to confirm that...yup...it really is exactly what nasa has said it was thanks to the aready launched probes.

i believe in using our space program to advance our knowledge of the universe as opposed to just seeing how far we can go to plant flags and sing "america!!! fuck yeah!!!"

to each their own i guess.

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These are your words in bold....

but of course you'll conveniently sidestep away from providing a quote where i discredited the moon mission and advencements from.
All of your posts including this one indicates you don't get the Moon missions at all. This much is PLAIN for all to see.


we will have sacrificed much more innovation just to satisfy our own hubris.

Sacrificed more innovation? What ever you are smoking..... flush it down the can.


Taint, can you see why I cringe when I pay my Public School tax bill?

t@intshredder said:

You really think we can learn more from looking at a planet via a telescope than we can from actually sending humans to it? You think the only reason to implement a manned mission to Mars would be to say "WOOOHOOOO WE'RE AWESOME!"?
For once ...I'm speechless. Maybe CrackerJax is right about the state of the public school system after all.

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you imply we have the technology to visit other solar systems. all we have is unexplored theory on accomplishing deep-space travel. thus the point i made about accomplishing that hurdle first. and yes, the only accomplishment of sustaining human life on mars is...just that.

yes we can accomplish more by learning about our universe and what it is composed of, where it is from, where it is going, and what (who?) might be out there. thats the whole point of space exploration. but you and your pal just keep on with personal insults on my intelligence because i dont agree with you.
very mature

CrackerJax said:

These are your words in bold....

but of course you'll conveniently sidestep away from providing a quote where i discredited the moon mission and advencements from.
All of your posts including this one indicates you don't get the Moon missions at all. This much is PLAIN for all to see.


we will have sacrificed much more innovation just to satisfy our own hubris.

Sacrificed more innovation? What ever you are smoking..... flush it down the can.


Taint, can you see why I cringe when I pay my Public School tax bill?

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in that quote i was talking about shelving more important research just to land humans on mars.
i was asking you to prove that i discredited the apollo missions. thanks for playing, and also thanks for continuing to prove your immaturity.

remember kids: if someone doesnt agree with you they are stupid and should be insulted. welcome to the internet!

Well we've sent landers to mars.And that's certainly outside of the earth's gravitational influence.

PVS said:

what can a man accomplish on mars that a robot cannot?
all that can possibly come out of it would be bragging rights. i would rather have the resources invested
in telescopic technology so we can possibly see another earthlike planet in another solar system, instead of
landing on a dead planet and saying "WOOOHOOOO WE'RE AWESOME!". how about investing said resources
in deep-space travel technology. i keep seeing these nifty cgi spacecraft on TV, meant to approach light speed
and explore deep space and even other solar systems, but yet its on a shelf because we're busy trying to rocket
a human to the next planet. just my opinion on it all.

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PVS said:

you imply we have the technology to visit other solar systems. all we have is unexplored theory on accomplishing deep-space travel. thus the point i made about accomplishing that hurdle first. and yes, the only accomplishment of sustaining human life on mars is...just that.

yes we can accomplish more by learning about our universe and what it is composed of, where it is from, where it is going, and what (who?) might be out there. thats the whole point of space exploration. but you and your pal just keep on with personal insults on my intelligence because i dont agree with you.
very mature

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I apologize you believe that I personally insulted you but I stand by what I said. If you think the only reason to send a manned mission to Mars is "bragging rights" ...then we have nothing more to discuss. I still believe that, regardless of how intelligent you perceive yourself to be, you have a very poor understanding of how our countries' space program operates.

CrackerJax said:

These are your words in bold....

but of course you'll conveniently sidestep away from providing a quote where i discredited the moon mission and advencements from.
All of your posts including this one indicates you don't get the Moon missions at all. This much is PLAIN for all to see.


we will have sacrificed much more innovation just to satisfy our own hubris.

Sacrificed more innovation? What ever you are smoking..... flush it down the can.


Taint, can you see why I cringe when I pay my Public School tax bill?

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I think I'm starting to get the idea, CJ. Cheers.

PVS said:

in that quote i was talking about shelving more important research just to land humans on mars.
i was asking you to prove that i discredited the apollo missions. thanks for playing, and also thanks for continuing to prove your immaturity.

remember kids: if someone doesnt agree with you they are stupid and should be insulted. welcome to the internet!

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heh, you are dancing all around it and yet can't see it. Like watching a kid swinging at a pinata.

I guess it's a copy paste world and understanding the big picture in context is too much to ask.

t@intshredder said:

regardless of how intelligent you perceive yourself to be

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yeah yeah i get it "i'm right though i won't explain why and you're an idiot"

you and your pal can bait me all you wish. if all you can do is insult someone's intelligent without actually arguing the point then i guess none of us have anything to add.

PVS said:

yeah yeah i get it "i'm right though i won't explain why and you're an idiot"

you and your pal can bait me all you wish. if all you can do is insult someone's intelligent without actually arguing the point then i guess none of us have anything to add.

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I re-read all of your prior posts and still cannot find this "point" you mention. There never was an argument.
Who's baiting whom? Moving on ...

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yes you were just making a valid and relevant point by repeating the notion that i am uneducated ad nauseam.
i get it now. never express an opinion that doesnt match yours. lesson learned.

it only takes a year and a half to get to mars. they are planning and testing people for it as i type this.

one step at a time. sheesh

Moving on ...yet again:

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fdd2blk said:

it only takes a year and a half to get to mars. they are planning and testing people for it as i type this.

one step at a time. sheesh

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Planning and doing as i'm sure you're aware , are two different things. As of today, we do not have the technology to shield humans from the death rays of the sun on such a long voyage. One of the reasons why the Space station is not IN outer space.

what?? cracker and taint, PALS?? what am I missing here!! LOL

CrackerJax said:

Planning and doing as i'm sure you're aware , are two different things. As of today, we do not have the technology to shield humans from the death rays of the sun on such a long voyage. One of the reasons why the Space station is not IN outer space.

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What's the problem? Don't you know how dangerous gamma-ray exposure works? We'll end up with astronauts with super powers! If we only had 4 of them ...it would be Fantastic!

CrackerJax said:

Planning and doing as i'm sure you're aware , are two different things. As of today, we do not have the technology to shield humans from the death rays of the sun on such a long voyage. One of the reasons why the Space station is not IN outer space.

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don't argue with me, i'm just sharing what i recently learned. sheesh, again.

Dr. Greenhorn said:

what?? cracker and taint, PALS?? what am I missing here!! LOL

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Just because our political views are misaligned, doesn't mean we'll disagree on every little thing. The law of averages assumes we'll agree on something ...eventually.

t@intshredder said:

What's the problem? Don't you know how dangerous gamma-ray exposure works? We'll end up with astronauts with super powers! If we only had 4 of them ...it would be Fantastic!

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LMAO I wanna be the flame then. can I please!! ahahahaha