g00sEgg
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I always put my seedlings directly under my 400. Never had any problems. Only thing that you might to get much light is unrooted clones.
400W Newbie Feminized Haze Grow Log
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simisimis
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nice man, lookin' beautiful. I see in pics that your top leave edges are curling up a bit, I'd say this is light heat stress, I'd raise lamp few inches.
You mentioned using some bone meal? Don't. It's P food. Indoors in soil you will not need it, this is rarely a problem, unless you'll overfeed with other nutriends and will cause a lockout of P which is not really likely to happen.
What nutes do you have and are planning to use on your grow? This is about the time you should start giving 1/4 - 1/2 of recommended dose, do not wait for the plants showing N deficiency.
Keep them green bro! We're with ya
You mentioned using some bone meal? Don't. It's P food. Indoors in soil you will not need it, this is rarely a problem, unless you'll overfeed with other nutriends and will cause a lockout of P which is not really likely to happen.
What nutes do you have and are planning to use on your grow? This is about the time you should start giving 1/4 - 1/2 of recommended dose, do not wait for the plants showing N deficiency.
Keep them green bro! We're with ya
buddygrow420
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SOIL: The soil is Pro Mix. I meant to check the components but it has a bit of everything. Perlite, Vermiculite...I can tell you exactly whats in it when I check them tomorrow. It is basically a fluffy premium potting soil that has high N content. I didn't add anything to the mix.
buddygrow420
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I went to the local grow shop and pick up these nutes. The girl told me to PH my water to 6.5 or even less and I picked up a PH kit [3 drops in the solution and watch for the color]. She told me to mix up my nutes and then adjust the PH with the PH down. I gave my girls a small 1/4 dose of everything I bought today. She also said to flush every 3 weeks and then add my nutes. No bone meal! I also raised the lights about an inch.nice man, lookin' beautiful. I see in pics that your top leave edges are curling up a bit, I'd say this is light heat stress, I'd raise lamp few inches.
You mentioned using some bone meal? Don't. It's P food. Indoors in soil you will not need it, this is rarely a problem, unless you'll overfeed with other nutriends and will cause a lockout of P which is not really likely to happen.
What nutes do you have and are planning to use on your grow? This is about the time you should start giving 1/4 - 1/2 of recommended dose, do not wait for the plants showing N deficiency.
Keep them green bro! We're with ya
buddygrow420
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I am thinking it's time to top Cheap Thrill Tony [my mutant plant - see previous post]. What do you think? Time to top her?
simisimis
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Plants look beautiful and healthy. Also looks like it is ready to be topped. About the nutes, NPK:3-2-4 with Cal-Mag can get you through out the grow. its about time you should start giving them cal-mag as usually at this time you can see some rusty spots on lower leaves. So you're very good on timing. But about pH... well I wouldn't bother, soil has a buffering property which is fixing pH by itself. I water with ph 7.5-8.5, usually I let the water evaporate for two days to drop to 7.5, but sometimes I just water right out of tap. So far had no problems. I've tried pHing the water and results are the same. But since you got already you pH down, that will not hurt anybody to pH it. So it looks like you're good to go man!
buddygrow420
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I am pretty sure I know where to top her. Just above the 4th node between the 4th and 5th node is what LBH outlined in his tutorial. https://www.rollitup.org/general-marijuana-growing/438784-lbhs-4-way-lst-tutorial.html
buddygrow420
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The fan is blowing medium on the plants...I wouldn't say hard but ya, its definitely blowing them around a little bit.
I gave them a 1/4 dose of nutes last night and started PH'ing my feedings. The girl told me to keep my PH down around 6.5 or even lower! I was very surprised to hear this. Water out of the tap comes out around 7.5 or 8! She also said to flush every 3 weeks or so. I wasn't going to bother but I am thinking I will give it try eventually.
They were debating flushing in simisimis thread Psi-grow (Zamaldelica & Destroyer) and someone commented that the plant would think the flushing was just a heavy rain...this made sense to me so Im gonna give it a shot after I am comfortable with everything thats going on. The growth right now is crazy...my mutant is growing a lot every day. The roots must be more developed on her.
3 weeks into veg...can you sex the plant at this age?
simisimis
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i would go for this topping guide. www.rollitup.org/advanced-marijuana-cultivation/151706-uncle-bens-topping-technique-get.html
a guy with a 40+ years exp.. there says that going for 6-8 main colas is inefficient, causes too much of bushyness and auxins get redirected not evenly not like topping above 2nd node, where you get 4 evenly growing nice colas. your call man
a guy with a 40+ years exp.. there says that going for 6-8 main colas is inefficient, causes too much of bushyness and auxins get redirected not evenly not like topping above 2nd node, where you get 4 evenly growing nice colas. your call man
buddygrow420
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Hmm, I actually didn't know there was a difference in the two tutorials...interesting....I will read that one again, his images don't load for me all the time....So where on my plant would this be, just above the 2nd true node...so just above my mutant leaves? I feel like i need advice here cause I am not 100% sure where to top.i would go for this topping guide. www.rollitup.org/advanced-marijuana-cultivation/151706-uncle-bens-topping-technique-get.html
a guy with a 40+ years exp.. there says that going for 6-8 main colas is inefficient, causes too much of bushyness and auxins get redirected not evenly not like topping above 2nd node, where you get 4 evenly growing nice colas. your call man
simisimis
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yup above 2nd node(mutant leaves). Funny, cause I get so many mutant leaves like that 
) You have already quite big side branches. Plant looks ready to be topped.. you can check Psi-grow in my sig how I topped two plants and how they are looking now. I'd try to cut ~1cm above the 2nd node, cause when the plant will get bigger the stem and side branches will get fatter and they might use that 1cm space. In my thread since I have only 2' for actual growing I did quite a lot of LST, if you have enough space just train them so they would be evenly spread but not too far from each other..
) You have already quite big side branches. Plant looks ready to be topped.. you can check Psi-grow in my sig how I topped two plants and how they are looking now. I'd try to cut ~1cm above the 2nd node, cause when the plant will get bigger the stem and side branches will get fatter and they might use that 1cm space. In my thread since I have only 2' for actual growing I did quite a lot of LST, if you have enough space just train them so they would be evenly spread but not too far from each other..
buddygrow420
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I'll check it out right now. It's reassuring that my mutant isn't all that uncommon. This method looks like it will grow pretty tall! LSTing using this method is going to take some thought on my part.yup above 2nd node(mutant leaves). Funny, cause I get so many mutant leaves like that
I checked it out and I definitely like what I am see from your top/lst. Looks pretty fricken nice! I think I will do it very similar to yours. I will only have room to flower maybe 2 or 3 plants indoors!
simisimis
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yeah I managed so far to hold those sativas in place, I also put quite some stress on them due to some mistakes, that was stunning the growth as well, but the thing is I have like 24-30" for them of vertical space, so I had to top and LST the crap out of them. Since seeds were on 12/12 schedule from the beginning LST on the stretch period resulted in some height loss as well. With a 3-4' of vertical space you could get such a beautiful plant..
This method would be tall if you'd top and veg sativa dominant plants for like 5-6 weeks and do only minimal LST, IMO if you're keeping the veg time shorter, and do more LST, this is really not that big of a deal, you could maintain easily your plant in 2-3' height. ofc genetics are playing rather big role in it as well...
buddygrow420
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I have 5 feet+ of headroom so I have a bit more to work with. I plan to veg for roughly another 3 weeks. Just topped 1 of plants yesterday pics to follow.
buddygrow420
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I topped 1 of the plants yesterday and will probably do the same to the rest. It was hard to chop off all of that beautiful growth but 4 colas should be worth it. I tried my hand at cloning the top just for kicks....more on that tomorrow.
I am assuming those 4 shoots are going to be the main stems. Time to prep for a bit of LST.
I am assuming those 4 shoots are going to be the main stems. Time to prep for a bit of LST.
simisimis
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nice man, looks like you are going to have some nice colas! if you have 5' of vertical growth I would not LST too much. The way I see it, your main stem has to provide food and water to all four branches, if you will LST a lot, you will make a lot of thin branches, if you'd lst only a bit you'd get like few thicker ones... Your call. It's just I had on my previous grow 25 shoots with LST, thank you, no more.. 
within 5 days you'll those shoots will easily outgrow what you cut. Good luck!
within 5 days you'll those shoots will easily outgrow what you cut. Good luck!
buddygrow420
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I have a lot of options. I think I will experiment with a few different methods. Uncle Bed didn't LST at all for 4 large cola's did he.nice man, looks like you are going to have some nice colas! if you have 5' of vertical growth I would not LST too much. The way I see it, your main stem has to provide food and water to all four branches, if you will LST a lot, you will make a lot of thin branches, if you'd lst only a bit you'd get like few thicker ones... Your call. It's just I had on my previous grow 25 shoots with LST, thank you, no more..
POTS: I have 11 litre round and tall pots. Is it better to have wider shorter pots or taller deeper pots?
simisimis
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it's better to have lower and wider I'd say. Roots are stretching sideways more than downwards.. Also container dries more evenly. I do not know if you heard anything about container coating, you can check microkote.com I recently bought it and dyed my 11L bucket which I use as a growing pot. Can't wait to see the root structure after harvesting the plant
But from what I've heard this is a must have product when growing in pots.The thing is that all of the plant takes time to grow and as long as you have fat stem, you're good to suply enough food for your plant. at first you benefit, but from some point your yield starts to decrease. Cause when it's too crowdy it is a bad thing.. Uncle Ben is quite busy I believe and growing mj is not that entertaining for him to spend 1-2 hours per day with it, he just tops it, shape it and let it grow while constantly peaking if everything is going alright
I doubt if I'd be that passionate about growing it after 40 year lol.Try training to get 8 aditional shoots and try 16, and see for yourself how they will grow and yield
oh and also document! cause that would save me time lol..