40+ lbs with 12 Plants in 2 Rooms on a Flip

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Renfro

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Bubblin said:
It's prolly the 60% power limit that's stopping it.
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Well it's a 630 watt bulb and the ballast is a 1000 watter. They tell you to run it like that on the sellers page. They also say not to use in a nanolux so I guess that leaves my sunsystems.

"Recommended operation in a 1000w ballast dimming it down to 600W. Never run them at or on the 1000W settingor overdrive setting. These bulbs are not compatible with Gavita 6/750w or 1000W DE Complete Fixtures. Not recommended for use with Nanolux dimmable ballasts."
 
Bubblin

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Renfro said:
Well it's a 630 watt bulb and the ballast is a 1000 watter. They tell you to run it like that on the sellers page. They also say not to use in a nanolux so I guess that leaves my sunsystems.

"Recommended operation in a 1000w ballast dimming it down to 600W. Never run them at or on the 1000W settingor overdrive setting. These bulbs are not compatible with Gavita 6/750w or 1000W DE Complete Fixtures. Not recommended for use with Nanolux dimmable ballasts."
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ahh ic.
 
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So the 630 watt DE CMH bulb WILL run on a Sunsystem ballast. I measured the light with my crappy meter and it's very close in output to the 1000 watt DE HPS running at 1200 watts! That said the HPS bulb has a few runs on it. Still, thats a lot of lumens per watt. Too bad it will only work in 3 of my 12 ballasts though... :(
 
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So the 630 watt DE CMH bulb WILL run on a Sunsystem ballast. I measured the light with my crappy meter and it's very close in output to the 1000 watt DE HPS running at 1200 watts! That said the HPS bulb has a few runs on it. Still, thats a lot of lumens per watt. Too bad it will only work in 3 of my 12 ballasts though... :(
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Good and bad there

Nice to see they work in the Sunsystem but thats only 3/12, that dont help you much in considering the switch.

you could always switch out half the room, only need to buy 3 ballasts for now , or just eat the cost and buy 9 more ballasts, lol that sounds expensive
 
Dougs Nugs

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No doubt bro, i love the idea of led/cob efficiency but not if its gonna take me years to pay off lol

As you say tho, if you can run a good controlled side by side and see for yourself with the CMH bulbs and ballasts dialed down, then it may well be worth making the switch.

Ill be honest, ive had this CMH running for about 10 days, id fill a room with these things, they are very powerful lights for sure. I am still running mine without exhaust in the tent and temps still havent hit 80f in there.
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People say switch to LED!
Years to pay off initial investment? Anyone weigh in on this? LEDS are awesome but what about 20-30 1k lighters?
diggs99 said:
No doubt bro, i love the idea of led/cob efficiency but not if its gonna take me years to pay off lol

As you say tho, if you can run a good controlled side by side and see for yourself with the CMH bulbs and ballasts dialed down, then it may well be worth making the switch.

Ill be honest, ive had this CMH running for about 10 days, id fill a room with these things, they are very powerful lights for sure. I am still running mine without exhaust in the tent and temps still havent hit 80f in there.
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hmm very interesting. I run a sealed room the winter and I can avoid AC all day, put me on where are you getting these and what are your dimensions etc?

Doug
 
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Renfro said:
Well it's a 630 watt bulb and the ballast is a 1000 watter. They tell you to run it like that on the sellers page. They also say not to use in a nanolux so I guess that leaves my sunsystems.

"Recommended operation in a 1000w ballast dimming it down to 600W. Never run them at or on the 1000W settingor overdrive setting. These bulbs are not compatible with Gavita 6/750w or 1000W DE Complete Fixtures. Not recommended for use with Nanolux dimmable ballasts."
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Straight shit on a digital stick.

Waste of engineers and time. You will never get that time back. Think about it....never waste time. Jesus

I was going to edit it but I think it’s pretty “ on brand” for RIU
 
diggs99

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Dougs Nugs said:
People say switch to LED!
Years to pay off initial investment? Anyone weigh in on this? LEDS are awesome but what about 20-30 1k lighters?

hmm very interesting. I run a sealed room the winter and I can avoid AC all day, put me on where are you getting these and what are your dimensions etc?

Doug
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Ya , i was probably exaggerating a little with the " years" comment, my garden is only small.

Im growing in 4x4 tents right now.

The light i was referring to is the 315 cmhs by vivosun, Im loving mine so far
 
Renfro

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Dougs Nugs said:
People say switch to LED!
Years to pay off initial investment? Anyone weigh in on this? LEDS are awesome but what about 20-30 1k lighters?
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Thing is there is a big difference between switching to LED and starting out with LED. When you already have the equipment and the room is dialed it will be harder to justify the investment as opposed to starting with LED in the first place.

If you change bulbs just once a year, that adds up. Then you add in the power savings including the AC not having to run and it's pretty smart. Still, when you gotta pay 3 times as much to get a light it's pretty hard pill to swallow.

The other issue some have is with LED you actually have to add heat, so mixing it in with some HID is good. CMH puts out a shit ton less heat than HPS. More lumens and less heat. Enough CMH and LED together would make a really good setup.
 
Bubblin

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Renfro said:
If you change bulbs just once a year, that adds up. Then you add in the power savings including the AC not having to run and it's pretty smart. Still, when you gotta pay 3 times as much to get a light it's pretty hard pill to swallow.

The other issue some have is with LED you actually have to add heat, so mixing it in with some HID is good. CMH puts out a shit ton less heat than HPS. More lumens and less heat. Enough CMH and LED together would make a really good setup.
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You can toss together a 4 board qb132 light for like 200 bucks, n Imo a cmh + qb/cob system would be badass, phuking frost factory.
 
Renfro

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Bubblin said:
You can toss together a 4 board qb132 light for like 200 bucks, n Imo a cmh + qb/cob system would be badass, phuking frost factory.
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Yes that would be badass! All that UV from the CMH... However, as great as that is for home growers, licensed grows do need UL, CSA, ETL listed products for their grows. Insurance and whatnot requires it.

I believe that when the price point for a quality off the shelf 1000w replacement gets down to say $600 you will see the beginning of the end for new HPS sales. At that price it would pay for the extra cost in a year by saving a couple bulb changes and power savings. More people would be inclined to change out their 10+ lights when the payoff is short term.

I can't wait for those days and I am very excited about the future of indoor cultivation. Right now CMH is my favorite tech, it's price, light quality, bulb life, low heat... all good stuff there.

I would love to have all my row end lights changed from 400 watt HPS to LED and overhead lights changed from 1kW DE HPS to 600W DE CMH. My 4 ton AC units would only have to do light work then lol.
 
Bubblin

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Renfro said:
Yes that would be badass! All that UV from the CMH... However, as great as that is for home growers, licensed grows do need UL, CSA, ETL listed products for their grows. Insurance and whatnot requires it.
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If it's actually for insurance reasons yes, but UL listing means jack in reality.

I could literally wrap my cock in 18ga wire and since the wire exceeds the electrical requirements of my dick, it'd get a UL stamp.

Tho my gf may still need to be grounded, friction/static n such. #safesex
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I can't wait for those days and I am very excited about the future of indoor cultivation. Right now CMH is my favorite tech, it's price, light quality, bulb life, low heat... all good stuff there
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ayy same, cmh is sexy af.
Just wish there was efficient 50w cmh models, I'd run like 6 - 8 per plant.
 
Renfro

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As a former electrician I agree somewhat on the UL thing but insurance does require it in a commercial setting.

50w CMH? Man that would be a lot of bulbs to change. May I ask why you want smaller lights? For that use I'd go with auto cobs.
 
Bubblin

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Renfro said:
As a former electrician I agree somewhat on the UL thing but insurance does require it in a commercial setting.

50w CMH? Man that would be a lot of bulbs to change. May I ask why you want smaller lights? For that use I'd go with auto cobs.
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For coverage, I prefer coverage over a balls out single light source.
I've got cobs and luv emm, but the coolers = expensive n heavy. Digging qb's atm, with some T5 action for uv.
 
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Renfro said:
I would love to have all my row end lights changed from 400 watt HPS to LED and overhead lights changed from 1kW DE HPS to 600W DE CMH. My 4 ton AC units would only have to do light work then lol.
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A 600W DE CMH is good to replace a 1KW DE HPS ? will you get the same yields?
Thanks In Advance.
 
Renfro

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augusto1 said:
A 600W DE CMH is good to replace a 1KW DE HPS ? will you get the same yields?
Thanks In Advance.
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I am testing that this run, stay tuned! Room A is running the 630 on row 1 light A. It's not a perfect test because there is HPS lighting in the room but it should give me a good idea if it's close or not.

I hope the yields are as good as the 1000 watt DE HPS because I would love to save the 400 watts and also reduce the energy required to cool the heat output.

My room A has 3 sunsystem ballasts and 3 nanolux so I would only have to change out 3 ballasts in that room to run all CMH overhead. I'd be using 3600 watts overhead instead of 6000.

Honestly I think I could run the sunsystem ballasts with a splitter, set to 1200 watts. I could in theory run two 630 cmh bulbs on one ballast. So I wouldn't have to actually replace the nanolux ballasts. Gonna have to test this theory huh? So many thing to do. Something to try next run should this bulb yield well.

Another benefit from the change to CMH from HPS is CMH puts out some good UV and thats awesome for resin production as I have seen this last round with the 10k finishing bulbs. So I wouldn't have to worry about changing bulbs for the last 10 - 14 days.
 
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