cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
I haven't heard of those. I do remember the "3-methylfentanyl" scare from the 80s. That stuff was reportedly 1000x just plain fentanyl in potency. cn
4-piperidone monohydrochloride....Dont try this at home kids
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drolove
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side effects include diarrhea, nausea, constipation, dry mouth, somnolence, confusion, asthenia (weakness), and sweating, abdominal pain, headache, fatigue, anorexia and weight loss, dizziness, nervousness, hallucinations, anxiety, depression, flu-like symptoms, dyspepsia (indigestion), dyspnea (shortness of breath), hypoventilation, apnea, and urinary retention.
doesnt sound like a very fun drug....
doesnt sound like a very fun drug....
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
I was fascinated by canndo's accounts of using the fent. Apparently it is extra quick at inducing physical addiction. It's a great drug for hospital anesthesia, but I would choose a different opiate if I were to ever chase the dragon again. cn
Smokintoke
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shepj
Oracle of Hallucinogens
"Remember that with 1gr of pure Fentanyl HCl you can make 100gr of very high quality (white) Heroin!"
"The following procedure gives a white heroin which is the same as very good (30%) street heroin.
100mg of Fentanyl. HCl is dissolved in 2ml of Methanol. Weigh up 10g of Lactose and warm it at about 60-70 deg C into a large dish with a hotplate. Add the methanolic solution of Fentanyl dropwise at regular intervals into the warm Lactose for a good pre-mix . Wait until all the Methanol is evaporated and mix the Lactose-Fentanyl thoroughly. This is crucial because if this is not thoroughly mixed, there will be a part of the Lactose without Fentanyl and part of the Lactose with too much Fentanyl, possibly causing dramatic overdoses!"
Just because it is fentanyl, doesn't mean it has to be dosed irresponsibly. Hell.. you could probably throw it on blotter.
"The following procedure gives a white heroin which is the same as very good (30%) street heroin.
100mg of Fentanyl. HCl is dissolved in 2ml of Methanol. Weigh up 10g of Lactose and warm it at about 60-70 deg C into a large dish with a hotplate. Add the methanolic solution of Fentanyl dropwise at regular intervals into the warm Lactose for a good pre-mix . Wait until all the Methanol is evaporated and mix the Lactose-Fentanyl thoroughly. This is crucial because if this is not thoroughly mixed, there will be a part of the Lactose without Fentanyl and part of the Lactose with too much Fentanyl, possibly causing dramatic overdoses!"
Just because it is fentanyl, doesn't mean it has to be dosed irresponsibly. Hell.. you could probably throw it on blotter.
anymouse
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It's pretty obvious what is being made and I think if you got your hands on the precursor and you're truly into chemistry (not a mix A with B meth head/kewl type) then go for it. If you're educated enough to synthesize Fentanyl then you're probably educated enough to properly dose it. If not, well that's all part of natural selection. Better to see the money go to a domestic chemist than exported to cartels and illegal arms dealers.
x iGrow x
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I like to smoke weed.. Fuck opiods..
"Hey you want to do some opiods?"
"Yeah for sure man.. I love fucking my life up"
How come pot isn't enough?.. Or mushrooms?.. Why in the fuck are the Forums spammed with people talking about fuccked up Pharmies.. Smoke some pot and dont be fucking retarded.. Or just do some ridiculously addictive Pharmies and become retarded..
"Hey did you know 1gr of pure Fentanyl HCl, can make 100gr of very high quality (white) Heroin!"
"Really?.. Well beam me the fuck up Scotty!"
"Hey you want to do some opiods?"
"Yeah for sure man.. I love fucking my life up"
How come pot isn't enough?.. Or mushrooms?.. Why in the fuck are the Forums spammed with people talking about fuccked up Pharmies.. Smoke some pot and dont be fucking retarded.. Or just do some ridiculously addictive Pharmies and become retarded..
"Hey did you know 1gr of pure Fentanyl HCl, can make 100gr of very high quality (white) Heroin!"
"Really?.. Well beam me the fuck up Scotty!"
2cimdma
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First off, you say talk about opiates and how taking them will mess your life up. That may be true in some instances but it depends on a lot of things. If you get caught with a large amount of marijuana or caught growing it and get sent to prison does that not mess your life up? Cause I can tell you from personal experience I have got caught and did go to prison from 2002-2007 and that kind of screwed my life up a bit.
I am prescribed narcotic pain suppression medication that I have to take daily. I was born with Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome which make most of my joint's dislocated numerous times a day. For example if I raise my arms parallel both of my shoulders dislocate, so just putting on a shirt makes both my shoulders dislocate. My knees dislocate sometimes just walking. I've been just standing sometimes and my right hip will go out of socket. Those are just some of my joints that are screwed up.
So when you say that opiates is that same as "I love fucking up my life" you don't know what your talking about unless you specifically was stating that about yourself. Because for me opiates allow me to get up and move/function as a normal human being.
Second, this isn't "spam" as you say and it is posted in the correct forum /rollitup.org/home/The Grow Room/HALLUCINATORY SUBSTANCES. Now true this doesn't cause hallucinations but there is no specific discussion on this site about opioids. Also you will notice in the hallucinatory substance forum there are many threads about cocaine, crystal meth, etc., that doesn't cause hallucinations without near overdose.
Third you mention "Pharmies". I take it your not one of the people who classify marijuana as medication aka "Pharmie" I have grown marijuana for about 4 or 5 years now. I have done indoor and outdoor grows. I have invested thousands of dollars in the growth of the plant. A couple years ago I bought so much growing equipment from China that it came over to the US via ocean freight and it took 3/4ths of a 40' cargo container. So I have done a lot with marijuana....but I don't smoke it, I don't like the high. But I sure have never gotten on this forum or talked to people and told them that marijuana is a bad drug. For some people marijuana is what get's them out of bed, literally.
So you said what you said for some reason, I have no idea why. It's your opinion and thats ok. But just cause you have a opinion doesn't mean you need to spew it out whenever you get the chance to. I have grown poppies many many times and I actually have a grow journal on here from a while back. Considering how many people wrote in on that thread and how people to this day still send me questions on it I can tell you there are a lot of people on this site that are interested in opiates. But like I said at the beginning of this thread, I will not be explaining everything in this synthesis. Just like before when I did my grow journal about poppies. I never showed people how to synthesize the opium to morphine base to heroin. I may have shown a pic of some of the precursors I had such as acetic anhydride and dichloromethane but thats about it.
Yes this is N-(1-(2-phenylethyl)-4-piperidinyl)-N-phenylpropanamide HCl. I'm going to be doing the one-pot synthesis, that is why I'm starting with the monohydrochloride instead of the usual 4-piperdione. This will be my first attempt at making this. But I do have a university level background in organic chemistry. I decided upon this just cause I could get the needed supplies relatively cheap, quick, easy, and secure from China. I was going to make Bromadol due to legal issues but decided against it due to it's potency(10,000-12,000 times that of morphine). Fentanyl is listed around 100 times as potent than morphine which makes it a safer alternative. The lab is in a building which is in a building. Meaning. We bought a little metal shed 12' x 16' from a store for $475 and we took that and set it up inside another building out in the country. After we are finished we can destroy the shed and our outter building will be clean of possible residue. After we have finished we will be pressing the ingredient into pills using a bench top pill press that was bought new from china for $2,300. These tablets of course will not be all active ingredient but will be adulterated with binder. No we will not be pressing these pills as fake pain medication as people have done in the past. No these pills will not be sold or distributed on the market. They will be pressed to resemble a generic type of OTC pain relief for no other purpose other than to be able to carry them on my person in a safer fashion, for example having some in a bottle of the generic pain pill they are pressed to resemble and getting pulled over by the police. The cop looks in the bottle and sees 10-15 pills(or whatever amount as long as its less than what the quantity is listed as on the bottle) takes one out see's they look exactly like a generic tylenol and lets me go on my way. So with all that being said, I am tired and going to relax a bit. Later
Skuxx
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be careful man. I read your other post that said, "just out of prison".... so this might not be the smartest idea posting this on the internet. with that said, I am interested. I hope you continue to update. How much fent can be produced with 1.5k of that stuff? also, there's no use in saying "these pills will not be sold or distributed on the market"... it really doesn't matter what you say if you are producing a fuckload of fent.
x iGrow x
Active Member
If you have a perscription than why are you synthesizing it???.. Just to have a little extra??.. Or are you doing it for a "friend" who doesn't have a script??.. If you have an ailment that effects your everyday life.. Than go ahead and suck on a Fentanyl Lollipop.. I've seen the long term effects though, and its not a pretty drug.. But if your pain is so bad that you need something 100 times more powerful than morphine, to deal with it.. Than Fentanyl is definitley for you.. All that I was saying was that Opiods, sorry Opiates, taken without justification, can fuck your life up, terribly.. And probably a little worse than a few years in jail, no offence. Ohh and by Pharmies, I meant pharmaceuticals.. I do think marijuana can be used as a remedy for many ailments and diseases.. Ive never viewed it as a pharmaceutical because it is a plant, thats grown, and not synthesized, mixed with other chemicals, to create a powdered chemical that is ridiculously addictive.. I view it as a natural, or organic remedy. Ohh and i didnt know that Fentanyl prevents joints from popping out of place, wouldn't it just comatose you, so you don't feel it as much.. So wont you need Fentanyl for the rest of your life, aren't you worried about the long term effects that Fentanyl is going to cause. Or are you not looking that far ahead.
rory420420
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Your 2cimdma and making fentanyl!?! Make lsd,microdots..you got a pill press an knowledge of chemistry..hell,at least make some rolls that don't suck!...everytime I heard the pill press go down it sounded like a shovel scoopin dirt out a grave..
2cimdma
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I said this wasn't going to get onto the market but this morning I almost came close. I was offered 25g or raw heroin for 10g of mine. 10g cost me about $26. But I said no...I mean really what the hell do I need heroin for? But it was just the price difference that almost got me to do it. Oh well
2cimdma
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The reason I don't make MDMA anymore is cause it kinda lost it's appeal to me. I made it through 98-99 but then I tries a roll in 2001. I rolled for 1.5 hours and I thought what a waste. When I first started using MDMA and MDA you would roll for HOURS. So when I got my hands on some iso-safrole I whipped up a little something. The pills were oval half orange half blue named sex. One pill you would roll 8-11 hours no problem. But the MDMA now is all in Molly form and really its just not as profitable for the risk involved. I have been to prison a few times for manufacturing and one of those times I happened to have a gun(which of course got sent to the ATF for tracing) with the drugs. I did 8 years. I just got out of prison again for mearly forging a EUA(end user agreement) for a chemical. They gave me a few years just for that. So basically what I'm saying anything I make from now on for sale purposes is going to be worth the risk. 3,4-MDMA not worth the risk....now maybe bring back "Halo" which is 3,4-MDMA and 2ci mixed together....hmmmmm....maybe. I'd have to source the materials. Maybe I'll look into it and see. I just lost a shipment to customs in China but they normally get through just fine. Its amazing I use to buy 10-21.5kg of JWH-018(back when it was legal) and it would flie right through customs no prob. Now you get 2oz of 4-ANPP and that gets stopped. I mean it isn't like dogs are trained to smell NPP so they just saw it on x-ray and catch it. Oh well its all part of the game your always going to take a lose somewhere, just hopefully not your freedom or life. Later
greenghost420
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iv dreamed of running a nice press lie that...2300 is a good price too.
Heineken206
Member
Just out of curiosity what would the final yield be if you started with say 50 grams of 4-piperidone monohydrate hcl? Even a ballpark would be great.
tallstraw
Active Member
NPP- Nandrolone Phenylpropionate?