I had basic miracle grow soil when i started. My little seedlings began to starve at the 2nd set of leaves. I know its crap soil so hydroponic store told me to start feeding the age old grow and it began vegging out like crazy. had sets of 9 leaves at 6 inches tall and nodes were only bout 1/2 inch apart. Switched 12/12 at about 15 inches and then the strch began and nodes began getting much further apart. When i mix the guano it all settles to the bottom right away gotta constantly mix it. So eagle claw leaves are cause they hungry then? more bloom nutes? that makes sense cause thats what the leaves did at only a couple inches before starting to feed age old grow. I am gonna go figure out how to test my ph and get me some better bloom food i guess. I know the lights are not ideal but i really just want to make it through this flower with a good amount of smokeable buds and not KILL THE PLANT!
4-5 weeks flowering Kinda worried
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ok so heres what i found out so far. Went to my hydro store and talked to my local "expert". He mentioned one thing that was prob hard to see in the pics. ALOT of the stems are completely purple. He says this is definite indicator of a nutrient deficiency. Since I quit feeding my age old grow right at 12/12 its very likely that with only feeding the guano and some mollassis the plant is starving for more magnesium and calcium. I bought a CaMg supplement that he wanted me to start feeding right away along with a half dose of the age old grow which I used in veg. Also I bought 5 gallons of bottled water to use hopefully would help clear up any ph issues. Also he mentioned "lockout" was unlikely since everthing i was feeding was organic and wouldnt be high in salts. Any feedback on the local "experts" analysis? Thanks again to all those who took the time to check this out!
Figong
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Possible, but not 100% for the purple, re: the 'expert' analysis - some phenos are purple in nature. As for nute lockout, his answer is off too... you can get lockout of 1 nute type by overfeeding another, or by pH.. independent of salts.. salts are just another way of fuckin' your shit up.
ok so then over feeding the high phosphorus guano without getting any of the Calcium and magnesium it needs could still be the problem? hopefully by adding these nutes she will start feeling nice and healthy again. The thing is is widow this strain that end up turning most stems purple. Thing is all the stems turned purple pretty fast along the same time the yellowing and eagle claw curling happened. Also if it is ph im using nothing but ph balanced water from here on out. AT this point I dont know what else to do.
ChroniSuierkush
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Plain and simple. You should not bloom under the t5 or any veg light. Plants need a lot of energy when blooming. Get a HPS and I bet some of your issues would go away
Nullis
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I really don't think it is down to any one particular issue. The light obviously isn't intense enough as can be seen from not only the stretch but the wispy, airy buds. Half of that plant is in the dark. But, there are other issues because the top growth should look the healthiest. That is where virtually all of your yield is going to be.
Now we know you are trying to do organics, which wasn't clear from your first post. When you do organics properly you design your soil to care for itself to an extent; pH balances itself when it needs to. This depends on having suitable mineral cations in the soil; one reason that most organic growers add dolomitic\calcitic limestone to the potting mix before planting in it. And also having healthy living soil in general as the microbes influence the pH of the medium.
Now we know you are trying to do organics, which wasn't clear from your first post. When you do organics properly you design your soil to care for itself to an extent; pH balances itself when it needs to. This depends on having suitable mineral cations in the soil; one reason that most organic growers add dolomitic\calcitic limestone to the potting mix before planting in it. And also having healthy living soil in general as the microbes influence the pH of the medium.
RetiredMatthebrute
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seriously guys.....the ONLY problem i see with these plants is them couple yellow leaves....otherwise looks really healthy and your going to have some really really big colas on that girl..
like i said earlier if you trim off all the undergrowth it will let the plant focus more energy on the top....
the plant looks fine stop giving this dude terrible advice....genetics are why the leaves are really skinny...i do see a mino amount of cupping on them but nothing that raises a red flag....just keep on doing what your doing dude and to everyone else on here arguing about his lights, PH and everything else that has been mentioned....go away...holy fuck, you guys are just confusing this dude and making shit out to be far more complicated than it is....that T5HO light he has is just fine, much better of a light than alot of others i have seen on here.
keep it simple man, your plant looks just fine in my eyes, make sure your still giving it a little N every other feeding to keep them leaves nice and green..
like i said earlier if you trim off all the undergrowth it will let the plant focus more energy on the top....
the plant looks fine stop giving this dude terrible advice....genetics are why the leaves are really skinny...i do see a mino amount of cupping on them but nothing that raises a red flag....just keep on doing what your doing dude and to everyone else on here arguing about his lights, PH and everything else that has been mentioned....go away...holy fuck, you guys are just confusing this dude and making shit out to be far more complicated than it is....that T5HO light he has is just fine, much better of a light than alot of others i have seen on here.
keep it simple man, your plant looks just fine in my eyes, make sure your still giving it a little N every other feeding to keep them leaves nice and green..
MrKodak
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Nullis
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The leaves really aren't that skinny, though, they are quite clawed and cupped under. What's the terrible advice? It is agreed that the lower growth should be removed, but that would have been better done weeks ago (plant would have benefited from being shorter).
I keep looking and looking and looking at those pictures and what I see is a stressed out plant. Again not the worst I have seen on here, not by a long shot, but stressed out nonetheless and quite honestly couldn't tell you exactly why it looks the way it does. The OP asked for suggestions and input. I am not going to say I think everything looks A-okay if I don't. I can only surmise and share some things and mainly give advice which can be applied to the next grow.
All for keeping it simple, that is why it pays to be prepared for growing. This is why I don't usually respond to posts like these.
I keep looking and looking and looking at those pictures and what I see is a stressed out plant. Again not the worst I have seen on here, not by a long shot, but stressed out nonetheless and quite honestly couldn't tell you exactly why it looks the way it does. The OP asked for suggestions and input. I am not going to say I think everything looks A-okay if I don't. I can only surmise and share some things and mainly give advice which can be applied to the next grow.
All for keeping it simple, that is why it pays to be prepared for growing. This is why I don't usually respond to posts like these.
Alexander Supertramp
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I agree completely. As I said before just a little over watered and a slight N deficiency. Nothing major at all. Most of you are turning a mole hill into a mountain for no reason...
Fazer1rlg
Active Member
U keep blaming the light. But it is clearly not the t5. That plant is starving the signs are the yellowing in the lower growth, purple stems (they are suppose to be green!), Pale new growth. It's simply a sick plant that isn't using its light efficiently because of the environment it is sitting in! (The soil). If this plant had all its nutrients and ph on point it would be using the light efficiently. Yes we know t5s aren't the greatest to flower under but they can still grow some big ass plants. It is not the light!
Nullis
Moderator
An over-watered plant looks different to me, than that plant looks. If I had to describe over-watering, a plant that was just over-watered: the leaves become droopy but don't really claw or cusp at least not in my experience. Of course this looks different than how a thirsty plant would look, with wilted flaccid leaves and stems looking about ready to keel over.
Nullis
Moderator
Actually I don't keep blaming the light. Actually I kept saying that there look to be a few problems, but that I could tell the buds were light and airy. The 4 foot T5 above the 4 ft plant in a grow room with barren walls, was simply the first thing that caught my eye. As I said in the post of mine you quoted, the top of the plant should look the healthiest, realizing it is closest to the light...
There wasn't a whole lot he filled us in on the original post. He just said what he has been giving it but didn't really say how much. I still don't think he filled us in too much on the soil. Likely in a pot that is too small, and probably didn't have sufficient lime in the first place.
Hey everyone. I would like to just post an update. 7 weeks flowering now and starting to come around. Ive added some pretty heavy CaMg supplement feeding and also went back to half dose feeding of my high nitrogen veg food to keep them leaves nice and green. This is supposed to be a 9 week strain but I'm thinkin its got a good three weeks left at least. What do you guys think about the progress?
Bakatare666
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Looks real nice man, and good guess on your timeline.
I HATE seeing plant at your stage, when the guy asks 'Will it be ready this week?'.
Just IMO, if it was mine, I would cut back on the N.
You have PLENTY of green there, and I'm not saying you are giving this amount, but excessive amounts of N can/ will slow bud growth.
Crankyxr
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And fluffier buds.Looks real nice man, and good guess on your timeline.
I HATE seeing plant at your stage, when the guy asks 'Will it be ready this week?'.
Just IMO, if it was mine, I would cut back on the N.
You have PLENTY of green there, and I'm not saying you are giving this amount, but excessive amounts of N can/ will slow bud growth.
Thanks yeah I really only gave it a N bump after seeing in week 4/5 i was losing alot of color in the new leaves. I hadnt fed ANY N the first 4/5 weeks flower. You can see in the original pics they were getting a little lime green looking. now they a nice darker green and have cut back the N.
OneFreeMan
Active Member
some yellowing is fine durring budding.. the plant is taking the nitrogen from the leaves for the buds.
Bakatare666
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Personally I would rather see that, than the dark green leaves and small buds.
Alexander Supertramp
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Myth.........