300w x2 LED DWC Pure Indica - First Grow

whytewidow said:

I have a buddy thst actually trims off older roots. And I don't mean like 1 or 2. He just takes scissors and it's kinda like he jus jabs the scissors in cut whatever falls off is garbage and 2 days later his shit grows through the roof. Every time. I've seen multiple people on here that trims the roots in hydro. And have seen there stuff blow up. I think you'll be fine. Hell there's a guy on here that has a journal. He only grows in a 6x6x6 Rockwool cube. So the roots are only that big. And the plants are 3-4 foot tall when finished.

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Hmm, I saw a youtube video of a guy doing that too. He had a much larger root system than I did tho.

whytewidow said:

Yeah I know they are totally different on all aspects. I've NVR done hydro. But I did just buy a waterfarm to give it my first go. Hopefully I can run it decent. Bc I have some beans I wanna pop and dust with some honey bee pollen I got from a forum member. Make a few crosses. I've done crosses in dirt no problem.

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And yes I would bet peroxide would prevent dropping when watering as it would still feed the roots oxygen.

Kontraband81 said:

Hmm, I saw a youtube video of a guy doing that too. He had a much larger root system than I did tho.

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Yes and that's actually pretty important imo. My knowledge of trimming roots is little, but I'd almost guarantee some of the same trimming ideas hold true. A more well established plant can benefit from trimming, where it can be detrimental to a youngen.

Day 30
7-14-2017 : 8:30pm

5.0 Gallons
air temp: 75f
water temp: 66f
ppm: 623
ph: 5.80

Notes:
- I really pissed these ladies off with all my algae and h2o2 cleaning. You can see the fan leaves don't look so great. This was probably from the h2o2 and lack of nutrients for 3 days.
- Noticing root growth so at least they are still trying to live.
- Still debating if I should just leave the roots alone or trim off that nasty stuff below the new root growth.

Your water is so dark??? I don't think you would kill it by cutting those off, id be nervous too though lol. And yes damage to leaves can take time so it's very possible if you weren't having a toxcicity issue running no nutrient wasn't a good idea.

the Flora Micro turns it that color, I am not a big fan of it.

JohnDoeTho said:

running no nutrient wasn't a good idea.

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Probably not, add that to the list of stuff I shouldnt have done.

Kontraband81 said:

the Flora Micro turns it that color, I am not a big fan of it.

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Me either, is that actually a hydro mix?

JohnDoeTho said:

Me either, is that actually a hydro mix?

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Yep, its General Hydroponics FloraSeries.

Ok this is getting ridiculous, it has been 3 days since I sterlized the res, added the new air pumps, and attempted to kill the algae.
I popped the res open this morning and got that familar bad smell and semi cloudy water. Basically the beginnings of the problem all over again....

My water temps have been a solid 65-66f, plenty of air flow, and yet I still have problems. I ordered a RO system just now and it should be here sometime today. Going to try narrowing out the tap water causing the problems......

Beyond this I don't have any more solutions to try.

Here is my plan for today:
-Leaving plants in there current res for now

-Ive got a RO system coming in the mail, plan on installing that.

-I just created a new permanent resevoir for the plants. This one does not have a water level. I began to question if that water level is what is causing light leak and algae problems. Not sure how other people handle this but I am going to just not use one this time.

-I bought new nutrients, the Dyna-Grow series, they will be in the mail today as well. I am not sure if maybe I contaminated my current nutrients since I had been using syringes to pull nutrients from the bottles directly. After I injected the nutrients into the res I was then pulling in res water to clean the left over nutrients from the syringes.

-Is it even possible to contaminate the nutrient bottles? Can algae,bacteria live in the highly concentrated nutrient bottle?

-My hydrozyme is coming today too so I'll probably add that to the current res while I am preparing the new stuff.

-My last issue is what to do with the current plants, net pots, and hydroton. Will they just contaminate my new res since I am moving them to it. Should I just go ahead and cut the nasty roots off before putting them into the new res. Maybe I should just throw all this shit out and start over from seed again?

here is where I veg my babies while my main grows are finishing I use gh flora series nutes & the simple recirculating schedule it takes about 1/2 strength to make the ppm.come out right when the nutes get low I top off with water I feed at about 5.7 & don't adjust until ph.is above 6.5 my tap-water averages 50ppm. I use dyna grow rooting hormone instead of gh rapid start at the same dose as the rapid start & calmag nothing else gh flora series nutes are the small block chevy of the nutrient world if you get a chance look up the scottyballs waterfarm grow I recently did a grow using only floranova bloom & was happier with the results but I've got gallons of the flora to be used up but when their gone that's the direction I'm going I don't use peroxide either I strongly suspect your tap - water might be causing some of your problems the staining of your roots by the micro is normal I would go buy some r/o water , add 5ml cal mag per gal.& drop the ppm. To about 500 & ph@ 6.0 & wait for some new growth & see what it looks like the older growth does not reflect recent changes patience really comes in handy right about now

horribleherk said:

here is where I veg my babies while my main grows are finishing I use gh flora series nutes & the simple recirculating schedule it takes about 1/2 strength to make the ppm.come out right when the nutes get low I top off with water I feed at about 5.7 & don't adjust until ph.is above 6.5 my tap-water averages 50ppm. I use dyna grow rooting hormone instead of gh rapid start at the same dose as the rapid start & calmag nothing else gh flora series nutes are the small block chevy of the nutrient world if you get a chance look up the scottyballs waterfarm grow I recently did a grow using only floranova bloom & was happier with the results but I've got gallons of the flora to be used up but when their gone that's the direction I'm going I don't use peroxide either I strongly suspect your tap - water might be causing some of your problems the staining of your roots by the micro is normal I would go buy some r/o water , add 5ml cal mag per gal.& drop the ppm. To about 500 & ph@ 6.0 & wait for some new growth & see what it looks like the older growth does not reflect recent changes patience really comes in handy right about now

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Thanks for the tips, I do have a RO filtration system coming today in the mail so that is handled. What do you recommend I do with the dead looking roots, should I leave them alone or cut them off at the bottom of the bad roots? See image:

Did you stop using peroxide? You know I have been having simmiliar but different problems. I am actually in the middle of testing not using my Orca and only using continued supplements of peroxide. So far so good..... and yes nutrient bottles can become contaminated.

I'm really leaning towards running a sterile system..... you can clean and disinfect all you want but every time you add any kind of tap water your putting bacteria and algae in there. I think the key is just running an environment that isn't hospitable for them. Which you are definetly doing with the temp. Leading me back to my last question did you stop using peroxide?

I'll also add that so far in these last two days of my experiment I have been running even hotter then previous average and still staying ph stable. Tank temps were at a scary high peak of 78!

Chiller will be tested tonight and implemented tomorrow though

JohnDoeTho said:

I'm really leaning towards running a sterile system..... you can clean and disinfect all you want but every time you add any kind of tap water your putting bacteria and algae in there. I think the key is just running an environment that isn't hospitable for them. Which you are definetly doing with the temp. Leading me back to my last question did you stop using peroxide?

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I only ran h2o2 in the temp res for the 3 days to clean everything up. When I made them their new res I used hydroguard and great white. Can't use h2o2 with that because it kills the beneficial bacteria.

On a side note, the hygrozyme just got here. I went ahead and added 48ml to 5 gallon as suggested on the bottle. We'll see how things look/smell tomorrow.

horribleherk said:

here is where I veg my babies while my main grows are finishing I use gh flora series nutes & the simple recirculating schedule it takes about 1/2 strength to make the ppm.come out right when the nutes get low I top off with water I feed at about 5.7 & don't adjust until ph.is above 6.5 my tap-water averages 50ppm. I use dyna grow rooting hormone instead of gh rapid start at the same dose as the rapid start & calmag nothing else gh flora series nutes are the small block chevy of the nutrient world if you get a chance look up the scottyballs waterfarm grow I recently did a grow using only floranova bloom & was happier with the results but I've got gallons of the flora to be used up but when their gone that's the direction I'm going I don't use peroxide either I strongly suspect your tap - water might be causing some of your problems the staining of your roots by the micro is normal I would go buy some r/o water , add 5ml cal mag per gal.& drop the ppm. To about 500 & ph@ 6.0 & wait for some new growth & see what it looks like the older growth does not reflect recent changes patience really comes in handy right about now View attachment 3978498View attachment 3978500 View attachment 3978508View attachment 3978510 View attachment 3978511

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Heard of Canna? That's the direction I'm going next grow. They offer a different A and B setup for veg and flower which I love.