Yea like I said one was crushed so the blame could possibly lie with attitude. Im not too worried about that one seed or I would have complained to them. The problem is I dont know anyone who has grown VK personally, partially the reason I got that strain, so I dont know if its normal or just me. From what you say Im thinking its just the strain. But everything since has grow correctly so I dont think its too big of deal. Maybe one of the "special" seeds will turn out to be a killer pheno. I'm just growing it all out and the best one Ill reveg to become a momma. If you talk to barney let me know.... I'd love to worm my way into some free tangerine dreams.