2nd Grow : Grapefruit Krush (Seed 2 Smoke) & Exodus Cheese , King's Kush & Hammerhead

Your grow looks really good,

im growing king's kush right now, in hydro.

ill follow you friend, your writting is great

peace

2Stoned2curious said:

Your grow looks really good,

im growing king's kush right now, in hydro.

ill follow you friend, your writting is great

peace

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Very nice I will check out your grow.... Id like to see what you get ... \

As for my King's Kush , I think she is taking a little long to show her pistils ... A few coming out now but I think its either a ph problem or I cut her fan leaves a week too early . Or possibly something else or maybe genetics ??? Not sure .. Here's a close up of the main cola ..

Drooping really badly today so : Water / 1 tbsp Jamacian Bat Guano mixed with top soil ... and a little runoff water from feeding other plants with (VEG & SEAWEED Mix)

And thanks for following. . I was def losing motivation to keep this going. This is only my second grow so Im still anxious to get a decent harvest . . I probally pulled 1oz off my 1st which was from a diesel strain bagseed I found about 4 in 2 oz. - It was the sign I needed. But the harvest was spaced out and cut short due to moldy smelling soil ... It was good but didnt last that long and never had more than 1 or 2 grams dryed at a time ..
Im getting a better "feeling" of what my plants want and when. But being lazy doesnt help, I need some motivation herb ... Smoking this garbage mids for 120 oz ... But hey it gets you high, I think ... Not really though, every time it different. Sometimes you get some greener shit.. Need my Exodus Cheese to finish

What strains are easy to grow but lean towards the Indica family ??? My next order from Attitude will be a good one . .

Just watered with VEG & Seaweed

Watered Veg / Seaweed Mix - Last watering was plain H20 & top dressing of Jamacain Bat Guano ... 1.5 TBSP
*Having a hard time getting main cola around that first corner . . Any suggestions ?

* want to start budding her but haven't seen alt nodes yet . I think 8 or 9 tops now .. Vegging for 35 days . . Suggestions ?


Thanks

12/12 : 4/26 Says to go for 8wks

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Night RIU - THCHEAD

Dude why did you cut the fan leaves?

THCHead.25 said:

Watered Veg / Seaweed Mix - Last watering was plain H20 & top dressing of Jamacain Bat Guano ... 1.5 TBSP
*Having a hard time getting main cola around that first corner . . Any suggestions ?

* want to start budding her but haven't seen alt nodes yet . I think 8 or 9 tops now .. Vegging for 35 days . . Suggestions ?


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Throw it into flower if you're ready to flower her. It will show it's main cola if there is one. It looks like you have several main tops there either one will take off or they'll grow the same size. If your other plant isn't showing preflowers yet it could be a variety of reasons ( esp. if you cut the fan leaves)
The hammerhead is an early flowerer .... you shouldn't have too long to determine sex or wait for flowers. Back off of any high P nutes until it's in flower.
Alot will suggest to hit them with a low N high PK food to shock the plant into flowering. In my experience. Early use of bloom foods do nothing except cause yellowing and leaf drop.
When your in flowering gradually transfer from veg to bloom. First feeding give 1/2 veg 1/2 bloom .... see how it reacts and then go from there ...

ataxia said:

Dude why did you cut the fan leaves?

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for science purposes I can see a lot of people go against this method but I do think that it produces more but sites I saw discussion I roll it up a while ago and I wanted to see what I can produce and possibly see if a is better results .. I definitely was a little anxious and caught the exodus and I came first families at the same time even though the kings was put into flowering 2 weeks before.. I did this in mid flower with my first grow and I saw crazy results with bud sites coming from everywhere out of the side branch straight up .. with new growth everyday .. I know during the flowering stage there is an explosion of bud sites around the 5th and 8th week depending on strain but I am still with lack of experience so I wanted to see what results I can produce and experience growers could see

And comment on .. I should have definitely waited till mid flowering before I started my stages of cutting fan leaves.. I feel that we can control nature and produce more by that an overall quality in the same time. Leaving enough fan leaves for light and sugars but allowing more light to where it matters most.. I may be wrong but I feel this can be better .. I will continue doing this until I come to a certain conclusion whether or not this can promote more bud sites than normal without doing any significant damage to the plant. I do not promote removing all fan leaves because I need and there for its natural process, but will remove any lease I feel necessary that are blocking lights to vital areas of the plant.. I feel that everyone is too worried about screwing the harvest up and that's why they do not take this chance at experimentation. I may be wrong as I said and I have no problem admitting that and I am not going to feel any loss if I don't get a half an ounce more out of her . Next time will be better.. I hope .. maybe I will pave the way maybe I won't ..

What we take away we can give back.. everything that is cut off eventually grows back in is very green .. and from what I feel it produces new but sites that would not normally exist if blocked by the canopy .. another reason I feel people don't want to take this message because it is a very lengthy project process it takes a lot of patience. you really have to be careful where and what you got to get the best results possible.. I am very new to growing still so I may be talking out of my ass but I'm just going by feeling . the thread I saw on here about this really didn't seem to solve anything , it was just a constant dbate .. so I am taking upon myself to do this experiment and find an answer. But nonetheless, I did cut fan leaves way too early and it shows a little and im sure that they are going to be just fine .. Its a weed

and when u do a sog or scrog aren't u essentially doing same but worse in that case? If ur taking off all side growth?

I completely disagree with you. I'm fairly new to growing also... but i've done my experiments ....Never removing fan leaves. I've tried removing undergrowth for bigger buds (that's something that works dependent on strain), and it's necessary almost in some strains. no matter what I think your affecting your yield greatly.
ScrOG is a different story. You're focusing your energy to the tops. If don't have an even canopy i woudn't see the need to take anything off ...
...I can't convince you of anything. You know what your doing isn't really correct. The internet is full of shit that works for some growers and not others.
..... for instance. Right now I'm experimenting with an experienced growers theory that plants will grow to their potential whether no matter what the container size is. ( example: growing a 6 foot plant in an 8 inch pot). This is not working for me and i bet it wouldn't work for 75 percent of growers out there.
I'm just saying ...do you experiment, but in the end you'll realize all the chatter you hear of not removing fan leaves isn't chatter.
Believe me I'm not lecturing or debating with ya ... I know you're new and doing your thang. I hear ya about experimenting and if it works. Do that shit.
If you're worried about fans blocking light and want to get rid of em. Just do what i said from the get go. Hit it with low N bloom foods early. Your leaves will surely drop especially those big productive or in your case obtrusive fan leaves. idk . just never subbed to cutting any leaves off.
Have you checked out any of Uncle Ben's threads??? There's some good advice about basic plant botany in his threads that shows hard evidence against alot of methods some claim to work.

Scrog is a different growing method that almost requires you to get rid of the undergrowth to focus on the top. As you know once your canopy become so dense that no light hits the bottom it's clear the undergrowth suffers and is unproductive. So it's removed. Remember though Scrog is a method of growing. Plants don't usually grow through screens in nature.

aHHH ....while we're on the subject of removing foliage. Two hammerhead phenos i have are very stretchy and have unproductive lower limbs. My suggestion would be to remove the lower branches on the plant ....out of the two i removed undergrowth from one. Ended up with some donkey dicks. The other. Looks like i'll have nice colas but other than that .. all the side branching will yield literally nothing.
im just going off the hammerheads I'm growing out now of course...... I'll have pics of them posted in my journal soon.
I cut a hammerhead down two days ago. It seems like a very unproductive plant. Let's hope the smoke is good.

i'm sorry for beating a dead horse ... but i was reading through again where you said it gives back what we take. Those budsites that are growing in place of the fans would be at that node anyway and IMO would be bigger and more productive if they had that leaf to feed off of

thchead experiemnts are good, but you can't always give back what you take. Plants work a certain way (if in doubt ask "what would nature do", or look up solid botanical advice, not just theories) including ganja and they need the leafs. Fan leafs will not grow back, a branch might appear from the node, become more dominant and produce fan leafs, but not because you took off the leafs, this happens naturally. If you train your plant, naturally you achieve more bud sites, not by removing anything.

Growing can be a very smooth process after trying what has worked for many, then figuring out what works for you. Not everything works for everyone, but the tips and advice that are valid will show some sort of consistency throughout different grows.

Also, I have seen a lot of that debate on here about removing the leafs, and the valid arguments I have seen are in SOG grows where there are lots of plants sqeezed into a small space.

Keep it up man, you have a nice setup, I haven't been using riu much but I'll still be watching, remember: K.I.S.S (keep it simple stoner )

Thanks for the support Ataxia & Up..
I def agree with you now . Even though my Kings Kush is showing good progress and a huge yellow spot on her MC . And everywhere else , besides where i cut fan leaves , where I dont see any new growth as of yet and doubt anything will show up but let's see how the next 10 days go ... Im thinking with a longer veg time would have done the trick along with a few more weeks into 12/12 . Its not my intentions to do this to all of my plants and only 2-3 times during flowering. I jumped the gun big time but as long as it doesnt produce anything Im fine with that . My 1st plant was a huge disappointment but at least it didnt die all together . And it was a clone from 1 of 3 mothers I killed along with 3 other clones that died. But they all rooted first. I will get some pics up .. Cheese looking good

Why do some seed co's rec that you remove fan leaves during flowering .. I take alot of time to pluck off what looks good . And I disagree that that donot grow back .. I strip it naked almost maybe 60-65% removed but when very bushy and lots of hidden potential bud sites that could otherwise end up as popcorn nugs, feed with some good fert , Biobud , molas, hygrozyme, ect... Bud sites popped out everywhere and fast, and a week or two its just as bushy if not more with dark green fan leaves, but mostly all single or triple leaves, and never saw a stunt in growth. Possibly a day. I maybe will try this with the Grapefruit Krush .. I will transplant tonight. I will not cut leaves until 2nd-3rd week of flowering.


Hammerhead will not get cut

what exactly is lollipopping ?? and is this what I have done to my Kings Kush ??? I bent her main cola tonight & will switch sides for a few days to get nice growth. (see video 2) It looks to be doing well & I like how the canopy is nice and even ... The exodus cheese seems to be on track and has 20days left .. I took 3 nugs from here for a bowl which was a big waste of time even though I got high, but when your dry and so is everyone else and your impatient to begin with, it's hard to resist. Stinks really good. The Hammerhead was dropped last night against the wall and lost 2-3" of soil whick I replaced .. Seems to be alright . This had happened to the Exodus as well on 5/20 . Thought she was a gonner. BLZ Bud is looking good & has 3 - 4 nodes ... And the Grapefruit Krush was just topped . Im trying to get get 6 tops by taking paperclips to the fan leaves to expose it to more light for a more even growth. (see video 3) .. And I have decided to take fan leaves off of the Hammerhead , this is the first time .. I feel more comfortable doing this now and it is meant to be done in stages and at certain times I believe .. Veg for 1 to 1.5 months . Then after 1st week & right before growth spurt.Lots of undergrowth to leave on plant as well... But If there isnt enough growth at the node the leave it and or bend it... If it isnt blocking light from potential bud sites , leave it . This method will hopefully prove to work the way I want it to with the Hammerhead... The exodus didnt need it and wasnt vegged enough and the kings kush seems to look lollipopped with a nice bushy even top canopy (see video 1) ...

Thanks RIU --- Happy Growing

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