2600 watts. Bad results

Claw is from the lights turning off. They stay like that for about an hour then purk back up.

They get fed once a week at like 900ppms so i don't think they are nitrogen burnt. My past grow i was doing 2 feedings a week.

My past grow i flushed them 3 weeks as well. With little to no nitrogen during the flower period. After they are done streching i cut down on my base.
 

growingforfun

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Get the panda/mylar up... your wasting light and it makes a big differance.
You've got some nutrient imbalance, and it sounds like your roots didn't get fully dug into your soil. This could be a issue starting in your veg area... it's possible your veg root zone temps are too low, or do not have a thriving microorganism herd. Honestly you should be averaging 8 oz form a 15 g pot your right. If all your getting is 4 oz theres a problem, so get the panda up an work on your rootzone.
 
A 15 gallon container is a good size container. Just make sure you get all the soil possible into it, and don't skimp. 15g is great. Will produce a productive plant. But always remember. More Soil = Bigger Plant potential.

NO. All of the secondary branching will form huge colas. IMHO topping only slows them down, and mutilates them. Not a fan of topping.

I also Shake my plants vigorously, but not ebough to damage them. I try and make them as strong as possible.

I run fans 24 hours a day, and all plants have to have movement. Not beaten to death, and wind burned, but they have to be moving. This also makes the plant much stronger/bigger stalk/stems, which = bigger buds.

#1. Us a strain that's known to be branchy.

If your plants weren't rootbound its no wonder they didn't get much.

Even in a 30 gallon container, my plants are rootbound, but theres so much root, it causes no problems.

If it wasn't rootbound, it couldn't have been using much water, or food, which equals low production.

A plant has to be really using water, and visually growing daily, or IMHO you've got the wrong strain, or something is off.
We wont use any strain that wont produce at least 1lb per plant/1000w Hortilux/20 gallons soil.

Strong light early on brings out secondary branching early on. I start seedlings under 1000w Hortilux, at 24 inches. So theyre exposed to bright light from day 1.

I also wont use a strain that shows no early branching pattern.

I look into Dominion Seed Company Dominion Skunk, from SeedsHereNow. POTENT, Fast growing, easy to bend, and huge production. But theyre not cheap.

If you correctly Bend/Train your plants, you will also manipulate the smaller secondaries and bring them around the main stalk to orient them UP.

After you get the plant(s) trained, when theyere bigger, theres no way in hell you will be able to find the Main Tip, as it will be 1 big Beachball Hedge/Forsythia Bush looking plant. If not, its not trained right.

All the secondaries with turn into... MAIN TIPS.

Bending has basically the same affect as topping. Bending forces the hormone Down, and energizes the Secondaries. And bending 1/3 down vs just bending the tip, will allow the tip to keep growing, and adding secondary branching, whcich will turn into mains. If you cut the tip, the main stem is GONE.

Its also possible to mess with the tip so much as to slow forward growth. I generally mess with the top 1/3, and lower, but be careful, or youll snap it.

Heres 1 of the secondary branches from 1 of my plants.

This branch weighed in at 53 grams dry, . This is just 1 branch off of a 5 foot long plant.

Plant produced 25oz. That's my guitar case, so you can see how long the bud is.

Again. Use a strain that is known to have strong branching system. I have other recommendations, but that Dominion Skunk is a really great place t start.


So I've been looking all over for more information on chem grow and there isn't to many threads on the subject. You can search veg + bloom and find amazing results.

I always thought that environment, genetics and that type of thing make up the plants. The nurtients just help it get there. I've never had lock out or really bad nute burn or even deficiencies.

Anyone else have any input on hydroponics research? Or what else i should use? I will aslo be adding a silca product next grow.
 
Get the panda/mylar up... your wasting light and it makes a big differance.
You've got some nutrient imbalance, and it sounds like your roots didn't get fully dug into your soil. This could be a issue starting in your veg area... it's possible your veg root zone temps are too low, or do not have a thriving microorganism herd. Honestly you should be averaging 8 oz form a 15 g pot your right. If all your getting is 4 oz theres a problem, so get the panda up an work on your rootzone.
You say temps may be too low? You talking about during veg? And about the microorganisms? Is there an additive for that? I use +life which is suppose to help with that. And yes putting 2x6s up around my area and hanging either white plastic up or ordering mylar.
 

BigHornBuds

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When I use to run SE 1000s I would change them about every 3-4 months .
15g pots are a good size, I run 10s , 4 plants pre light
For pot size I would look at your watering and the more wet dry cycles you can do in a week will help with growth. If your only watering a 15g every 3 or more days it’s to big . I water my 10s once a day.
And look for over 1oz pre gallon of pot size.
I’m running DE 1000s with 1100/1300ppm CO2, and keep very tight environmental conditions. I change the bulbs about every 6 months now.

2600w in 6x12 isn’t very much
I do 4600 in 4x16

Are you using reflective material on the walls?
 

booms111

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I use same nutrient but Dirty formula, id recommend not using those other products they sell like shine. Why are you using tap/hard formula when your in Ocean Forest soil? Go down to 5 gallon pots. 15 gallon pots just to big unless doing organic no feed for your setup. I hit 6-9oz strain dependent under similar lighting but in 5g pots perpetually.
 

booms111

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Claw is from the lights turning off. They stay like that for about an hour then purk back up.

They get fed once a week at like 900ppms so i don't think they are nitrogen burnt. My past grow i was doing 2 feedings a week.

My past grow i flushed them 3 weeks as well. With little to no nitrogen during the flower period. After they are done streching i cut down on my base.
Another thing with veg bloom ferts is they need to be fed higher right before bloom since honestly there line sucks compared to mega crop or maxigrow for veg but bloom wise I feel v+B produces best end product. So going into bloom and first week of bloom be your highest ppm feedings then taper off through 3rd week of bloom to not ruin bud set by overfeeding. By 6th week bloom should be tapered back to under 600ppm then just water last 2 weeks of bloom.
 
Another thing with veg bloom ferts is they need to be fed higher right before bloom since honestly there line sucks compared to mega crop or maxigrow for veg but bloom wise I feel v+B produces best end product. So going into bloom and first week of bloom be your highest ppm feedings then taper off through 3rd week of bloom to not ruin bud set by overfeeding. By 6th week bloom should be tapered back to under 600ppm then just water last 2 weeks of bloom.
I water everyday one or two gallon per six plants. I feed when they look like they need it.

So your saying not to use shine at all? I have used the same small thing of shine for 3 grows now. And yes i feed them lots during the streching because if i don't they will lime green. Really fast. I don't start shine till week three. I then taper off the base until flush. (Which is 3 weeks)

And this grow i have going now (2 weeks into flower) are in 5 gallon smart pots.
 

booms111

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I water everyday one or two gallon per six plants. I feed when they look like they need it.

So your saying not to use shine at all? I have used the same small thing of shine for 3 grows now. And yes i feed them lots during the streching because if i don't they will lime green. Really fast. I don't start shine till week three. I then taper off the base until flush. (Which is 3 weeks)

And this grow i have going now (2 weeks into flower) are in 5 gallon smart pots.
You water everyday? In 5 gallon pot should water every 3 days or so and give around 1.5 gallons to each 5gallon pot to get good runoff.

Yeah skip the shine and boosters and just run v+B but I'd switch to dirty formula since your in Ocean Forest.

I stick a saucer for a 15 gallon under each 5 gallon pot with a 8inch saucer turned upside down for plant to sit on so not actually sitting on ground or in runoff also.
 

BigHornBuds

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Another thing with veg bloom ferts is they need to be fed higher right before bloom since honestly there line sucks compared to mega crop or maxigrow for veg but bloom wise I feel v+B produces best end product. So going into bloom and first week of bloom be your highest ppm feedings then taper off through 3rd week of bloom to not ruin bud set by overfeeding. By 6th week bloom should be tapered back to under 600ppm then just water last 2 weeks of bloom.
I don’t agree with this at all
There is not hard set ppm rule, some plants feed more then others , if I’m Running 8weekers I usually keep increasing my feed till about week5ish then taper off , then just water the last 7-10 days and paying attention to my run off the whole grow.
I like to give extra water about once a week to see what’s happening in the run off, it will tell you if your feeding to much or not enough,
I’m been playing around with MCrop n during the end of veg I like to be close to 1000ppm , during flower I’ve been hitting 1600.
A 2 foot plant needs a lot less food then a 6 foot one .
1400ppm was there last feed. 2F6AB2BC-AB50-4A62-A017-6A3A6A0930D1.jpeg

I water every day 10g pots
 

booms111

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I don’t agree with this at all
There is not hard set ppm rule, some plants feed more then others , if I’m Running 8weekers I usually keep increasing my feed till about week5ish then taper off , then just water the last 7-10 days and paying attention to my run off the whole grow.
I like to give extra water about once a week to see what’s happening in the run off, it will tell you if your feeding to much or not enough,
I’m been playing around with MCrop n during the end of veg I like to be close to 1000ppm , during flower I’ve been hitting 1600.
A 2 foot plant needs a lot less food then a 6 foot one .
1400ppm was there last feed. View attachment 4173497
I grow tree style and 1600 ppm would fry my plants. V+B is known to feed higher going into bloom since its lacking right formula for veg so to make up for it you feed higher or you see deficiencies.
 
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