24/7 LED Veg anyone?
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jimihendrix1
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Some of the leaves are slightly curling up, and some are also tacoing, which could be a humidity issue.
Porky101
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You mean praying? And Canoing? Thats what you want no???? High VPD deficit? Fast evaporation rates?
I know mag issue can cause curling inwards / Heat, but thats a slightly different kind of curling inwards. The edges of my leaves are not going towards eachother, I am pretty sure its canoing. But its not over evaporation in my opinion at this stage. The leaves that are NOT Canoing I am dissapointed about, those leaves are in my eyes, half asleep.
The results seem to be good so far BUT I have done two things to "fix" my issue.
1) I gave them sleep, 18/6 not 24/7
2) I fed them more from 1.2 -> 1.8
So now, which one is it?
Should I switch my lights to 24/7 again, assuming it was because I fed them too little? Or will I be making a mistake??
I strongly believe I have fed them too little and I can revert to 24/7 growing. I want to grow 24/7, thats just a decision I have made.
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jimihendrix1
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Some of the leaf edges are canoeing, along with praying.
Some of them as has also been stated by
rkymtnman look like they are also curling down, and look overly green, and also some new growth is twisted.
Whats watering schedule, and PH? Air flow?? Humidity? Temps?
I myself have been starting seeds under 1000w HID since they came out in 1978 under 24/0 We use 1000w Hortilux HPS, Gavita 1150w DE HID, and Gavita 1700e.
Am also currently using a Gavita 1700e for seedlings/veg at 24/0. 24 inches from plant.
Some of them as has also been stated by
rkymtnman look like they are also curling down, and look overly green, and also some new growth is twisted.
Whats watering schedule, and PH? Air flow?? Humidity? Temps?
I myself have been starting seeds under 1000w HID since they came out in 1978 under 24/0 We use 1000w Hortilux HPS, Gavita 1150w DE HID, and Gavita 1700e.
Am also currently using a Gavita 1700e for seedlings/veg at 24/0. 24 inches from plant.
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Porky101
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Twisted growth is from multiple light sources. I'm running lots of cobs.
I don't think they look too green? I'll take another photo and post here. I think the new growth is fine? Not overly green... I don't agree, anyone else?
I have looked at the photos, do you mean the new or old leaves are too green? The old leaves are in the shade so appear a lot darker green in the photos... In real life they the same color as the top leaves. Thanks for your help even if I disagree with you!! All I want is my plants to be healthy!
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jimihendrix1
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No. They can show symptoms by curling down. They may eventually burn though. Im sure you seen leaves curling down, with no apparent burn???
I wouldnt assume the twisted growth is from multiple light sources.
I wouldnt assume the twisted growth is from multiple light sources.
Porky101
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I'm not assuming, lots of experience trust me on that one. The twisted growth your referring too the tips that twist? Just so we understand each other.
You mean by curling down, the leaves are not praying? They are almost sleeping? Is that what you mean? Or you mean leaf tips curling down (too much n)?
jimihendrix1
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In photo #1-#2 there are leaves that are clearly curling down.
Porky101
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You mean in photo #2 the leaf on the bottom right, in the middle is curling a bit inwards?
Is that something to worry about?
These plants are still recovering, Let me grow them out for another few days and I will post more photos. Thank you for your help, Im still just struggling to understand exactly what you are trying to tell me about the leaves curling in, but maybe I got it above....let me know.
jimihendrix1
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No not just #2. Both. Theres a bunch of leaves curling down, and upon further inspection, I see some burnt leaf tips.
What are you feeding them? Weed likes the basically same amount of Phosphorus as Nitrogen, and 2x the amount of Potassium as N or P. Also weed is a Magnesium hungry plant
What are you feeding them? Weed likes the basically same amount of Phosphorus as Nitrogen, and 2x the amount of Potassium as N or P. Also weed is a Magnesium hungry plant
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Porky101
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Im struggling to find the burnt tips, if so then maybe I have started overfeeding.
Im struggling to also see the leaves curling down....I can see some leaves are not praying though. I think the best way to "deal" with this issue is to let the plants grow out, Ill post in a few days if you dont mind checking again....? I just think these photos you can only tell so much compared to actually being with the plants, so I want to grow them out and see. If the problem is solved then I wont encounter problems. If it is not solved, then Ill be back soon
jimihendrix1
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Theres all kinds of leaves curling down in this photo.
cobshopgrow
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i am using gosund branded smart plugs with their normal firmware, not flashed to tasmota or anything.
using the "smart life" app on the phone.
gosund sp-11X, theyre tiny, i can fit 5 of them on a normal 5 plugs extension.
ive heeard they should also work without internet after theyre programmed, but i havent verified, it simply works.
my internet is pretty stable and my wlan router isnt the worst.
only problem i could see, when you dont enable everyday on first programming... simply delete all and rebind the unit, there i had 2 times a problem, but reproducable.
if you enable everyday when you enter the timer, youre golden, not skipped a beat in months, changed often the timing.
i thrust these units now blind.
second problem i could see if the intervals are too short, for like a pump, 1min, there, take a normal timer.
newbplantgrower420
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ya'll nitpicking the plants lol. we all have deficiencies here and there .... if youre growing more than 10 plants.... as long as the plant is green and is pest free... thats good enough.
dont forget that we're playing God with these plants. except that we arent. green and pest free.... youre good to go.
dont forget that we're playing God with these plants. except that we arent. green and pest free.... youre good to go.
getogrow
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i would stick to 18/6 but im with you on this whole "why not" thang. You should not be having probs like this. I see all the curls an non perfect spots on the plants but that does not concern me , im trying to get you back on 24 without issues. The few curls you have is not enough to critique. I chalk that up to growing in foodless medium. (meaning you can fix it with adding or subtracting a drop or two of something)
The overall health is good so why will they not grow 24-7 ? Looking at the curls will prolly not help this situation. At this point , you cannot go wrong with a balenced 1-1-2 or equivilent.
The overall health is good so why will they not grow 24-7 ? Looking at the curls will prolly not help this situation. At this point , you cannot go wrong with a balenced 1-1-2 or equivilent.
Porky101
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Honestly the reason why I want to grow 24/7 is because I keep saying to myslef if I want , I should know how too. If I cant then well I am missing something.
So yes 18/6 works but why is 24/7 not working? My umols are about 350, thats not that much (I can increase to 1k).
Porky101
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Bleh. I skrewd up on my one table.
I put a lot of food. Ec 2.4. It raised to 3.4EC
All the plants on the table have little dots on their leaves (looks like calcium deficiencies). But I know it's burn because of too much food.
I thought I would hit them with lots of food for 24hrs so they can fill up then go back down to an ec of 1.6-1.8. Bad idea. Bottom leaves started falling off and leaves up top have dead spots on them.. Lowered the ec back down to 1.6.
I never thought 24hrs could have such an effect. I knew I was feeding a lot, but I thought a 24hrs hot feed may be good for the plant... Bad idea.
OH and now some leaves are curling up. The burned edges curled up. I have removed the damaged leaves so the plants look alright now.... But ye these plants are driving me to do dumb things.
I put a lot of food. Ec 2.4. It raised to 3.4EC
All the plants on the table have little dots on their leaves (looks like calcium deficiencies). But I know it's burn because of too much food.
I thought I would hit them with lots of food for 24hrs so they can fill up then go back down to an ec of 1.6-1.8. Bad idea. Bottom leaves started falling off and leaves up top have dead spots on them.. Lowered the ec back down to 1.6.
I never thought 24hrs could have such an effect. I knew I was feeding a lot, but I thought a 24hrs hot feed may be good for the plant... Bad idea.
OH and now some leaves are curling up. The burned edges curled up. I have removed the damaged leaves so the plants look alright now.... But ye these plants are driving me to do dumb things.
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