MedicatedGrow
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I see you guys are farmers as well, do you use eat non GMO veggies and fruits only? Just curious
2013-14 Six Plant 600W grow
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AimAim
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No not personally as far as GMO goes. I am not pro or anti GMO one way or the other. I do not like Monsanto for a lot of reasons, and I live in Missouri. I don't think genetically modified grains are bad or good one way or another. As a family we farmed about 700 acres in the 60's through just about now, so let's say 55 years?
Monsanto is based in St Louis I believe. From where I live I can see Arkansas off on the horizon to the South every sunrise, and Oklahoma to the West if I sit out on my back deck on my tippytoes. OK that's a stretch I'll admit. I am like 45 miles from Oklahoma.
Genetic modification of grains is what kept my family alive for a couple generations. Corn growing right now is THE proof in the pudding, Can we say Tysons?
Monsanto is based in St Louis I believe. From where I live I can see Arkansas off on the horizon to the South every sunrise, and Oklahoma to the West if I sit out on my back deck on my tippytoes. OK that's a stretch I'll admit. I am like 45 miles from Oklahoma.
Genetic modification of grains is what kept my family alive for a couple generations. Corn growing right now is THE proof in the pudding, Can we say Tysons?
qroox
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Gotta say...Really really NICE plants..
.How does this citrus feed is working out for you ? I've order myself some dyna-gro,but i'd like to know what's up with that as well 
Uncle Ben
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No, why would I? You're not implying that there is a health risk with GM foods? That myth has been debunked a hundred times.
Uncle Ben
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Thanks! Appreciate your work too.
Looks like that site you linked to is Aussie, which means mega bucks for shipping. What's funny is a lot of those herbs and stuff are packed right near me. We have the Fiesta brand at all our grocery stores. Quality is OK. A pack of say.....Mex. oregano is about $2.00 here, they sell it for $18!
MedicatedGrow
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I've been reading around a lot about GMO products and the pros and cons of the health issues associated with them.
I haven't seen any scientific evidence to support they're bad for your health, but nor have I seen otherwise.
Good to see everyone's opinion on them, but its even better to get the opinions of people who've grown them.
I haven't seen any scientific evidence to support they're bad for your health, but nor have I seen otherwise.
Good to see everyone's opinion on them, but its even better to get the opinions of people who've grown them.
AimAim
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No. Everything you and I eat has been genetically modified over the last hundred years or so. This is nothing new under the sun as improving genetics is a mainstay of agriculture.
Ears of corn (maize) were about the size of your middle finger in the 1800's. Potatoes were no larger than golf balls. We got around 30 bushels/acre of wheat when I was a kid and now getting double that on fairly poor soil. GM is another media hype as far as I'm concerned. Most people that weep and wail and gnash their teeth never ever got dirt under their fingernails.
Uncle Ben
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Here are some of the studies:
Top 5 lies about biotech beginning with GMO - http://reason.com/archives/2013/02/22/the-top-five-lies-about-biotech-crops
http://www.fda.gov/newsevents/testimony/ucm115032.htm
http://www.biosafety.ru/ftp/domingo.pdf
Top 5 lies about biotech beginning with GMO - http://reason.com/archives/2013/02/22/the-top-five-lies-about-biotech-crops
http://www.fda.gov/newsevents/testimony/ucm115032.htm
http://www.biosafety.ru/ftp/domingo.pdf
MedicatedGrow
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Thanks for the informative read.
AimAim
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Some good reading there for sure, got through them all this afternoon. I guess I'm too stupid to figure out GMO because it seems to me that's what we have done for many decades.
Roundup Ready? Why is this bad? If it saves a pass over the field burning diesel the whole way doing tillage I'm all for it. Less fossil fuels consumed, less soil stirred up to erode.
I loved this: "My personal favorite in this genre is Russian researcher Irina Ermakova’s claim, unpublished in any peer-reviewed scientific journal, that eating biotech soybeans turned mouse testicles blue."
Mice get the Blue Balls? Poor little fuckers.
budbro18
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Roundup ready soy bean are bad because they are destroying the farming industry. They are very hard to kill strains of soy beans that Monsanto owns the patents to.
When growing outdoors surrounded by other soybean farmers you get cross pollination. So, normal farmers usually collect seeds from their plants for the next year and thats where the problems lie. If another farmer or even just a random few plants that have started growing near by are the monsanto roundup ready seeds and you collect any of them you will get sued til youre pennyless.
So you have 2 options. Buy seeds from the only one puttin seeds on the market which are ridiculously marked up and that you have to buy every year, or risk harvesting your own seed and hope agents dont stop by to inspect. Because odds are youll have multiple seeds of theirs and will get raped.
Its a sad thing and will/is happening to alot of things now a days.
Uncle Ben
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Are you a soybean farmer who is networked with others in the farming industry or are you parroting some green propaganda?
I'm live in the heart of a ranching and farming community and know of no farmer that collects his own seed. That's ridiculous.
Hi Aim,
I just came across your journal this morning, and it's like reading a Great Book. I HAVE GOT to go get things done, but I can't tear myself away. I'm fighting the urge to turn to the last page and learn the ending. Thank you for taking the time to share your efforts with us. I'm there were many friends happily sharing your "rewards".
Peace~
I just came across your journal this morning, and it's like reading a Great Book. I HAVE GOT to go get things done, but I can't tear myself away. I'm fighting the urge to turn to the last page and learn the ending. Thank you for taking the time to share your efforts with us. I'm there were many friends happily sharing your "rewards".
Peace~
AimAim
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Who would want a soybean strain that is easy to kill?
You don't have a clue about the farming industry, You do not have a yearly fuel bill in six digits.
And farmers do not collect and save their seed to plant "next year". We did as late the 70's and 80's for grasses and wheat but economics weighed in and it's better to get the good stuff.
Not a huge fan of Monsanto and I've watched Food Inc. a couple times http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1286537/
But don't even begin to preach to me your theories on agriculture and the economics involved. I'll blow you out of the water if you wish.
AimAim
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Friends we run on tight margins in the Ag world. Sorry if I came across as an asshole last post. Got almost 10 acres of grapes (a lot for this neck of the woods).
Plus manage about 2800 acres of property. I'm a Forester by trade and schooling.
Corn is King now due to Tyson's. Those chickens need corn. We are taking fescue pasture back out and planting corn where it has not been grown since the 60's.
Marginal corn ground but you want to grow the corn close to the chicken.
Plus manage about 2800 acres of property. I'm a Forester by trade and schooling.
Corn is King now due to Tyson's. Those chickens need corn. We are taking fescue pasture back out and planting corn where it has not been grown since the 60's.
Marginal corn ground but you want to grow the corn close to the chicken.
budbro18
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Its all good we all get worked up about something!
I wasnt trying to compare or talk about farming like i know it. Just explain what ive compiled from the information ive watched/read. Ive done some small farming, more like a big ass garden, on a few dozen acres my friend has but that was mostly fruits for wine/shine making and just corn for feed which is the easiest thing on earth to grow. Set it and forget it! haha But we dont have any large tyson or any chicken farms really around here. Alots for hunters and other farmers with horses or small amounts of chickens. Hell even some of the Amish buy it off him. But its literally about a 500x500 plot for corn on a few dozen acres of what used to be all farm. Fun to drive on with a 4x4 in the off season. Nice tilled aerated ground to slide and drift on.
But i was mostly trying to explain what they were and why ive heard they would be bad. Sure a plant that never dies is awesome, until someone monopolizes that plant.
The only bad thing ive seen is that they force/fuck people until they switch over. Im not one of them so i dont know the price difference or the effect of that.
But to me its like someone walking into your grow room and saying that if any plants youre growing, whether you bred them or not, are crossed with plant X that i own than you owe me a portion of your shit or ill sue you to high heaven.
The real thing fucking shit up is subsidies from things like corn and other products. All of our taxes going right back to the people who already dont pay taxes just so they can sell us something for a reasonable price even though theyre the ones raising the price on us while production is getting easier. That along with other companies dodging taxes and getting subsidies for doing the job theyre hired to do is fucking us over and steadily increasing the deficit.
Thats just my take from what ive absorbed over the years. Nothing to solid to base it on besides what ive read/watched so id love to get some real info from someone really in it.
I wasnt trying to compare or talk about farming like i know it. Just explain what ive compiled from the information ive watched/read. Ive done some small farming, more like a big ass garden, on a few dozen acres my friend has but that was mostly fruits for wine/shine making and just corn for feed which is the easiest thing on earth to grow. Set it and forget it! haha But we dont have any large tyson or any chicken farms really around here. Alots for hunters and other farmers with horses or small amounts of chickens. Hell even some of the Amish buy it off him. But its literally about a 500x500 plot for corn on a few dozen acres of what used to be all farm. Fun to drive on with a 4x4 in the off season. Nice tilled aerated ground to slide and drift on.
But i was mostly trying to explain what they were and why ive heard they would be bad. Sure a plant that never dies is awesome, until someone monopolizes that plant.
The only bad thing ive seen is that they force/fuck people until they switch over. Im not one of them so i dont know the price difference or the effect of that.
But to me its like someone walking into your grow room and saying that if any plants youre growing, whether you bred them or not, are crossed with plant X that i own than you owe me a portion of your shit or ill sue you to high heaven.
The real thing fucking shit up is subsidies from things like corn and other products. All of our taxes going right back to the people who already dont pay taxes just so they can sell us something for a reasonable price even though theyre the ones raising the price on us while production is getting easier. That along with other companies dodging taxes and getting subsidies for doing the job theyre hired to do is fucking us over and steadily increasing the deficit.
Thats just my take from what ive absorbed over the years. Nothing to solid to base it on besides what ive read/watched so id love to get some real info from someone really in it.
AimAim
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Kinda of like our Welfare System?
Makes me proud to pay money into a system that rewards lazy motherfuckers sitting on their couch waiting for the mailman to bring them my money.
budbro18
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I understand and i think there are flaws in welfare but its a necessity at this point. Sure there are people just relyin on it to live without working, but there are alot of people who cant find a job. I know people who are taking advantage of it and people who are struggling to live on it.
If you didnt have growing and jobs got fucked around you what would you do? If you go months without finding a job? Would you just dive into debt?? Max out credit cards?? Pay for healthcare by yourself for you and your kids?
IMO, we could chip away at the deficit with the roughly 500 billion+ a year that the large businesses refuse to pay. Its probably even more than that. SS and welfare are necessary for our elderly and poor.
In a world where a company keeps you at just below 39 hours a week to keep from paying you as full time and giving you benefits, while getting paid below a livable wage, its hard not to take a handout or 2.
If i didnt have growing i would be seriously struggling financially. With growing i just about break even every month on a upper meager living situation.
Theres really too many things messing up the world and the poor are the first to get blamed, while the rich suck them dry.
So be mad at the businesses for not paying their taxes which causes you to pay more taxes to the "lazy motherfuckers"
EDIT: also its tough to chip away at the deficit when 90% of income goes to the top 1% who arent paying too much to taxes. So at best we can pay with our 10% which wouldnt and doesnt do shit.
Uncle Ben
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Ditto. I really get tired of these Seattle tree hugging types that have never had dirt under their nails, out to save the world and while their at it make demands on those that actually work for a living. I literally put in a vineyard with 205 grapes I sell to amateur winemakers and have probably planted about 6,000 trees, both by hand, head down hiney up. My ground is so hard I couldn't get a 3 pt. auger down more than 1', do I did all manually with a post hole digger. Use VSP training, end posts are 8" tops about 2.5' in the ground. Try digging those an an outward angle.
I hand planted 58 trees around the house of all kinds - shade (big oaks, maples, cypress), fruit, nut.While we're on it, my silver bullet for pests is imidacloprid (Adonis 75WP) and for broad spectrum systemic control - Pristine and Rally with maybe Dithane used at times. Forbid 4F for mites.
Tio