2010 #1 - Indoor Coco-Perlite Hindu Kush & Hailley's Comet 400w

hey i had a ? i was hoping some one could answer. i wanted to know what the ph of coco should be. not the water Which should be 5.5-6.2 right? lol but the coco itself. i bought some "SUPER BUFFED AND WASHED" shit and the ph of the run off is like 8.0!!!!!!!! but when i take a ph meter mix half coco and half water it says 7.0 can anyone help me out please. anyways you plants are looking great and with heat like that i live in oregon and today it got to 85F in my room and i was trippin lol. thanks to anyone who could help me out and im subscribed

Oh and one more thing from what i under stand you cant over water coco the only thing you have to worry about it over feeding unless your shit gets water logged. i run my finger through the top inch or 2 of soil so the top is more clumpy not just flat and it helps to dry deeper quicker

heya dude welcome to the thread
your coco should naturally be 6.5, but i guess salt buildups and shit can take it anywhere (remember coco trees grow by the sea). so what you gotta do is wash that shit like crazy, till you see it no longer has so much ppm on it, and the pH should be fine too. don't believe them when they say it is washed.

and well, i've learned the hard way that coco CAN be overwatered. at least that's what I think. i'm not sure what waterclogged means, it never really changed the texture. but I did see them start to wilt, and I did have brown roots on some of the males when i chopped em.

good luck man, hope to see your stuff too!

The compost shouldn't be enough on its own for the second half of flowering, but even if you won't supplement the medium you should have some yield.
If you can, get some high P bat guano and top dress with it. Works well.
You'll also want to give the plants some complex carbons all the way and use fairly large pots.

If you can't get bat guano you could use the Biobizz BioBloom thing at 2ml\L.

As for soil without time release nutes - its hard to find. Really hard to find.
Would be much easier to just mix a 25L bag of compost and a 50L bag of coco\perlite mix and call it a day.


I'm thinking for running a test plant on my next gig with just pre fertilized soil and added osmocote plus.
I'll be running with automated watering straight from the tap (no water pumps to fail and reservoirs to dry up) thought a basic filtering system. Maybe with a fertilizing device that pushes 2ml\L constantly to some plants but it would be MUCH easier to just shove osmocote in the soil and give it straight water. And it should work.

McFonz said:

The compost shouldn't be enough on its own for the second half of flowering, but even if you won't supplement the medium you should have some yield.
If you can, get some high P bat guano and top dress with it. Works well.
You'll also want to give the plants some complex carbons all the way and use fairly large pots.

If you can't get bat guano you could use the Biobizz BioBloom thing at 2ml\L.

As for soil without time release nutes - its hard to find. Really hard to find.
Would be much easier to just mix a 25L bag of compost and a 50L bag of coco\perlite mix and call it a day.


I'm thinking for running a test plant on my next gig with just pre fertilized soil and added osmocote plus.
I'll be running with automated watering straight from the tap (no water pumps to fail and reservoirs to dry up) thought a basic filtering system. Maybe with a fertilizing device that pushes 2ml\L constantly to some plants but it would be MUCH easier to just shove osmocote in the soil and give it straight water. And it should work.

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גזור ושמור.
So the other day I took out some branches that were very weak, not even standing, not getting any light, very small flowers on them (should have taken them out long ago). I let them dry out and had a nice spliff last night. I am still a bit stoned. That was some killer buzz

also noticed some symptoms on the leaves on one plant last night. this is after a feeding the previous night. it looks like heat/light but I think it's not. I also noticed it on leaves far from the light, and because of the scrog it's easy to see that it's a systemic issue. so I flushed. from runoff of ~2200, I took it down to 1000. Tonight I'll give a light feeding to increase it again to 1500, hoping to stay that way. I think it's beacuse I used too much of the pk (put in about 350 out of 1500). So I'm not gonna use that anymore.

McFonz said:

The compost shouldn't be enough on its own for the second half of flowering, but even if you won't supplement the medium you should have some yield.
If you can, get some high P bat guano and top dress with it. Works well.
You'll also want to give the plants some complex carbons all the way and use fairly large pots.

If you can't get bat guano you could use the Biobizz BioBloom thing at 2ml\L.

As for soil without time release nutes - its hard to find. Really hard to find.
Would be much easier to just mix a 25L bag of compost and a 50L bag of coco\perlite mix and call it a day.


I'm thinking for running a test plant on my next gig with just pre fertilized soil and added osmocote plus.
I'll be running with automated watering straight from the tap (no water pumps to fail and reservoirs to dry up) thought a basic filtering system. Maybe with a fertilizing device that pushes 2ml\L constantly to some plants but it would be MUCH easier to just shove osmocote in the soil and give it straight water. And it should work.

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what about topping for the finish with humus or new compost? recommended? and perhaps a short strain and 12/12 from seed might help too. It'd be cool not to have to use fertilizers. this guano stuff is really hard to get eh?

Looks somewhat like P-toxity.
Back down on high P fertilizers.

Compost \ humus are pretty low on available nutrients. They are mainly used for their biological value - the microbes. They are the ones that feed the plant in the long run.
However, in flowering I rather get more oomph out of my plants.

12\12 from seed yields small plants and after trying it I believe its useless if you could go otherwise.

There's some local guano but its really bad. I got mine from the internet and it works great - the people at the customs are dumb as a flip flop.



Cheers.

week 9 update

not much news. i've started losing leaves in the upper layer this week, had a bit of a moisture stress too, and branches have been showing weakness, aggravated by lack of watering, and just fell aside. it's better now, but these are generally weak branches. not much to do about it now, i guess I'll start harvesting in two weeks or maybe three.

They look good all in all, but i'm sure I could have pulled much more out of them with better care and more balls. lots to improve for the next round.

They look great.

I would remove some fan leaves at this stage to allow better air movement and raise the PK 0.5ml\L a week up to 2ml\L at one before the last week.

Also I would start moving the light higher every few days to lower the amount of light they are getting. 10cm up every 3 days or so.
They don't need as much light in the end of flowering as they needed in the beginning.
I sometimes keep my plants in the dark for the last week to save electricity or run them with just a few CFLs.
Lowering the light intensity will also mean to lower the temps which could promote purpling, altough temps right now are a bit high for that.

Cheers

McFonz said:

They look great.

I would remove some fan leaves at this stage to allow better air movement and raise the PK 0.5ml\L a week up to 2ml\L at one before the last week.

Also I would start moving the light higher every few days to lower the amount of light they are getting. 10cm up every 3 days or so.
They don't need as much light in the end of flowering as they needed in the beginning.
I sometimes keep my plants in the dark for the last week to save electricity or run them with just a few CFLs.
Lowering the light intensity will also mean to lower the temps which could promote purpling, altough temps right now are a bit high for that.

Cheers

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thanks! but last time I think I gave them too much of the PK, so I didn't give any of it in the last watering, you think I should anyway? I don't really measure ml/L, I just check EC.

no room to move it any upper than it is now. perhaps I should use cfls now? I have some.

And you're right, I will prune them today. working hard to prevent mold now.

with PK you have to check how much volume you give.
Give them 0.8ml\L this week, 1.2ml\L next week and 1.6ml\L the next week.

Give them only 2 or 3 CFLs for the last 10 days. You'll save energy and you'll get the same harvest.


Cheers.

One plant has practically finished:

I flushed it today from the chemical ferts and gave it some molasses and biobloom/top max to finish off, and I'll harvest next week. It's actually a rather small plant, both plants that grew in soil are small, this one (hindu kush) and another afghan kush, both seem to have incredibly small yield compared to the plant that grew in coco. so i know what i'll be growing in next season. either staight coco/perlite, or mixed with compost, as i do want to experiment with organic.

the other plants seem to have a couple of weeks ahead of them. I wonder if I did something wrong, that they are taking so long. if it was one plant i'd say ok maybe a pheno, but four plants out of five are taking so long to finish, this is strange. someone suggested i may have given a bit too much N, could that be it? I was using 8-6-10 most of the time, and sometimes adding some pk13/14 to that.

nothing much aside that, looking forward to finish already? what do you say, two weeks should cut it?

I'm also really not sure how to go about flushing. I mean, how can I tell when I have 2 weeks left? and should I really let them have no nutes at all in the coco for 2 whole weeks? it just sounds counter-productive to me, I know plants don't do much but ripen at this period, but still, I want to add some weight and some resin, no?

good stuff ... any day now i would say for harvest

I chopped one plant, soil grown, HK.

A bit disappointing, no more than 15g I think. I don't really know how to grow in soil. Coco is much easier for me, as a concept. The coco plants have much bigger buds and more of them.

Also hoping I didn't harvest too early, all hairs were brown and about 10-20% amber trichs. I guess I'll know in a couple of days. Right now I put a taste in the oven on a 100c, just to see what it's like.

I've reduced coco feeding to 200-400 uS, looking to chop them next week, or in two weeks max.

Looking nice but like they didn't like the heat lately.
To quick dry put the buds on a newspaper and fold the newspaper over them. Much better than over drying and ready overnight usually.
2 weeks at 0.4mS is not enough for coco plants. You should give them straight water only for the last 3-7 days (I go for 4-5 usually) otherwise your yield might be lower.

McFonz said:

Looking nice but like they didn't like the heat lately.
To quick dry put the buds on a newspaper and fold the newspaper over them. Much better than over drying and ready overnight usually.
2 weeks at 0.4mS is not enough for coco plants. You should give them straight water only for the last 3-7 days (I go for 4-5 usually) otherwise your yield might be lower.

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thanks man! so yeah i don't think it's gonna be two weeks from then. I just chopped one off, and the other two will be tomorrow and maybe the next day too
I actually gave them a nice dose of Ripen by GHE to kinda hurry them, as I was running out of schedule. I think it helped cuz right now I had a good percentage of amber trichs on the one I chopped. and now I chopped this one without even flushing it from the last dose, nor did I give it 48 hours of darkness in the end like I was hoping for. I guess I'll examine them today, hopefully they can sit a couple more days, I'll give them another watering (perhaps just water this time) then I will shut off the lights for this batch. cuz i think they're ready any moment now.

So mostly amber trichs, but many of the trichs seem to be kinda squashed you know... not standing upright with a nice round ball shaped head, but rather kinda shrunken and seem broken. I think this is a sign of degradation, since I didn't have this before. and i've read trichs are most potent when intact and complete.

So this was the second plant in my harvest (out of 5). The first plant that was in soil yielded 15 grams dry. Although low yielding, it gave a very nice smoke and some nice looking buds all in all. I am pleased but I think this was my last soil grow, this kind of soil anyway:


But the one I chopped today has much more on it, only the nice looking phat buds weigh 160g wet, that should give me about 30-40g dry I believe, quite satisfactory:

So with that, I also have 4 nice loads of popcorn buds and low light buds, I had an exceptionally high amount of these on this plant. each pile weights 30-40g wet. some of them didn't look too good, and were very pale, not just the leaves but the glands themselves, the seed pods were almost white:


Also bought an iceolator the other day. two bags in it, one is 190 micron the other 45. I hope I can figure out the instructions good enough! Also I'm not sure if I'm supposed to to it just after chopping or let it dry a bit. online I have gathered it seems it doesn't really matter. I'm getting ice in the mean time.

so that's it for now, looking forward for more harvesting in the next few days. I hope I'm not taking them off too soon, but I don't think that I am. As far as effect is concerned, it's very nice and pretty strong, I get quite sleepy after smoking it, and very physical as well. nice. Taste is alright, not very different from any other weed, but I am not very sensitive on that issue.

cheers

Your buds look like they suffered from the heat. They didn't pump up too well which I would guess was the main cause for the somewhat low yield so far.
Smashed trichomes means low potency weed. Over-rippening, over lightning, HEAT, too much touching.
The pale parts are totally normal.

For the iceolator get a lot of ice (I put the ice cubes from the trays in a bag and fill them again until I have enough but you can buy a bag for 10 nis or something).
With whatever trim you have it will work. Beat the crap out of the trim in very cold water (I put them in a rotating mixer bowl for 10 minutes on low), put the 190u in the 45u in a bucket and pour the soup in the 190u. Then lift the 190u and squeeze it very well and you have hash in the 45u - you just need to dry it out well.
You could do a second run with the trim, it should yield some but would be of inferior quality. I still do it, even the third time gets out well.

The sleepiness might be from the over rippening. Most people aim for 20% amber. I aim for 35% or so. If you get over 40% it will get you sleepy.



Cheers.

total yield for this grow - 231g. 190g is from the 3 coco plants, 40 from those in soil. everything being cured now.

The grow was under a 400w HPS, in 3 11L pots of coco, and 2 soil plants. All of them were Hindu Kush from Sensi, except one Afghan Kush (unknown breeder) which in soil yielded 25 of inferior quality weed. Feeding was with HESI "coco" nutrients, most of the time feeding at 1.5EC, also used Supervit, pk13/14, and for a short while near the end HESI Root Complex and Powerzyme. Also some random feedings with molasses and/or magnesium sulfate. Temps were mostly up to 30 degrees C, perhaps a bit higher near the very end. Also ran pretty high RH, more than 70% during the night sometimes, even in flowering. but I escaped mold probably due to high temps. Had some herms going in the end, but luckily that only happened late enough in the grow so the were hardly any seeds on the buds. The plants suffered from fungus gnats throughout their lives, except the very end of them, and they were scrogged only 1 week after 12/12. I chopped after 82 days, 12 weeks of 12/12 and let them veg for 6 weeks. I didn't really flush the plants, I don't really mind the taste of unflushed weed.

i'm very happy with the quality, very nice buds, dense, sticky and smelly. they get me baked real nice, with sleepiness but no heaviness - also an uplifting and laughing high. doesn't fall short of most of the "hydro weed" that rolls on the market here, except maybe what they call "medical weed", which is really really weird and strong weed.

So this grow was a very nice attempt for me, and i'm looking forward to continue my adventures. I have learned very very much, and still have so much to learn. I thank you all for being here and supporting, both of you, and especially you McFonz - this joint goes out to you. hope to see you in here in my next grows too.

0.57 gpw is not bad for a grow this late into summer.

If you'r not going to run an AC you should start your next grow when temps starts to go below 32°C.

Congratulations

thank you... this ratio is reduced now i'm afraid, because I didn't let them dry properly I guess, now I got some mold... right?