20,000 Watt Medical Grow Op Construction

Sr. Verde said:

Are you wearing Polarized sun glasses? Polarized blocks out 50% of the light, rather than just being a dark lens.

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To be honest, on that day I wasn't wearing any glasses at all! It was raining out and I left shades at house. Now we keep some in the grow. They're polarized. My commercial buddy (I keep calling him that...he needs a name...Commercial J) keeps a huge rimmed hat, tyvek suit, old lady wrap around shades, and booties outside the door of his grow. Everyone suits up before entry. Since he started the "suit up" thing he hasn't had an infestation of any kind.

Which reminds me. I purchased 8 clones from a place called "Cloneville" a few weeks back. I just did it for Helper D, who is new to all this and wanted some different strains of his own to grow in the room. He got 2 LA Confidential, 2 Super Lemon Haze, 2 New York Diesel, and 2 Trainwreck. They were $120 for all 8. 5 days later both trainwrecks and 1 lemon haze were dead. Within 2 weeks the only decent plants were 1 New York Diesel and both LA Confidential...we chucked the rest. The Diesel got pretty big, so I took 2 clones and promised her to a friend so that she could grow it this summer in her backyard. The Confidential was being transplanted 2 days ago and Helper D called me over to look at some "wierd spots". The thing was loaded with mites. Into the trash it went and out came the Dr. Doom. Bottom line is Fuck these commercial clone selling places. 1 out of 8 made it and they could have wiped out my whole grow. Fortunately, we caught it in time. If you must buy genetics, buy seed. I have a feeling the quality of these clones was junk anyways. Face it, would any of you sell a cutt from a really good plant of yours for 15 bucks? I don't think other people would either.

collective gardener said:

I have to get used to Baverb even with 600 HID's. We hung 2 for a couple days while I was waiting for reflectors. I'm not used to having those lights at eye level blasting out my retnas. 20 years dealing with hoods, I wasn't ready for the vert bare bulb. My eyes were cooked for the whole night. I have no idea how you guys work in the room with all of those lights shining in your face. I need me some welding goggles.

The whore thing only counts if hubby leaves the buds on the nightstand for you in the morning.

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as long as you've been okay with HID's in general, it should get easier (and yes. welding goggles are good). i find that the baverbs are hardest on the peripheral vision. i have one friend in particular who gets light poisoning from HIDs; doesn't seem like fun.

"Have you ever sucked dick for weed?!" Best movie ever.
It doesn't really make you a ho bur everyone likes a little role p,ay. You got it easy, I make my girl dress up like a weed plant lol

incognegro999 said:

will having the compressor inside increase temps inside significantly? this may sound retarded but could you treat the compressor like a "grow room" like build it a room seal it with intake and exhaust? on the plus side took your advice about fan/scrubber. Temps are down 7 degrees to 79, and thats without the window in the vicinity of my intake being open.

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I've seen this done before, and it worked beautifully. The intake and exhaust should be routed to exterior air (at a good strong volume of movement) for peak efficiency.
A friend of mine did this so as not to have a noisy ac compressor running outside in the middle of winter, I thought it was a brilliant idea.

collective gardener said:

Shoot the link. I always have time to check out people's gear. That's strain I'm interested in, as well. Anyone growing any Casey Jones?

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I grow Casey Jones. Fucking beautiful, man. I'm a picky SOB, to the point where I pretty much turn my nose up at what most people proffer to me these days and I LOVE Casey Jones. It's an outstanding yielder, fairly easy to grow and the quality is supreme. Great bag appeal, one of the smelliest strains around and it has a great uplifting high. One of my all around favorites. She is one of the most vigorous plants I've ever grown as well, gets absolutely HUGE and in a hurry. You really have to work to control height, but that's my only complaint. It's one of those strains that everyone asks for repeatedly, people don't seem to get tired of it, at least not yet.

I grow mostly organically in five gallon Smart Pots with about a month of veg, I super crop and train to a screen.

Winning.

No, not 1000 dollars. Somewhere around 500 dollars, plus shipping, for an inductive light that would equal a 600 watt HID. Is it worth it? The truth should be in the testing.

collective gardener said:

Verde, I wish I knew! It's a strain a commercial grower friend grows to offer something in a purple. That plant was started indoors and flowered outside in winter. We harvested it around thankgiving. While the cold night added to the darkness of the color, it's still pretty dark when flowered inside. Several of the best strains I've ever sampled have no names and a questionable heritage. If people want to take a guess as to the strain, I'd love to hear it.

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looks like bc purple kush, altho i have no idea the actual strain, it is kinda famous around here

look familiar? these are light purple done indoors, lowest temp was 80 but my buddys outdoor looked identical to yours,

btw great thread i love how you made your little watering tables out of siding, im going to try that

I think the reason there is so little around about them is because they are relatively new and un tested. Cost is higher than HID's and Lower than LED's. They are very much cooler than HID's, a little hotter than LED"S but they don't require cooling fans and heat sinks as LED's do.

docrock said:

No, not 1000 dollars. Somewhere around 500 dollars, plus shipping, for an inductive light that would equal a 600 watt HID. Is it worth it? The truth should be in the testing.

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Sounds great....can't wait to see the results....only thing I wish Collective would do is veg under them as well.....what kind of spectrum and lumens would the 600w equal put out?

ENDLSCYCLE said:

Sounds great....can't wait to see the results....only thing I wish Collective would do is veg under them as well.....what kind of spectrum and lumens would the 600w equal put out?

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Yeah...I feel the same. Docrock, what's the options on spectrum? How bout cost of the bigger ones? Like one equel to 1000 watt+ HID. As you know, I haven't made the switch to 600's yet. Nor do I intend to. So, we need spectrum info, and pricing info on all. Just ball park is fine...I know you're feeling things out.

Below figures supplied by factory. As for the spectrum produced. Producer claims that gasse's used produce 90% usefull light for the plants, the gase's can be adjusted to alter the spectrum. This puts the energy where it can be used instead of into heat or unused colors of the spectrum. Again, factory numbers. The test should shed some light on if the lights do as claimed.
LED Grow Lights = 12 Lumen/Watt with a 100+% Effective Absorbable Spectrum = 12 Effective Lumen/Watt.
HPS/MH Grow Lights = 100 lumen/watt with 10+% Effective Absorbable Spectrum = 10 Effective Lumen/Watt.
Bi-Spec. Super Grow Lights = 45 Lumen/Watt with a 90+% Effective Absorbable Spectrum = 40.5 Effective Lumen/Watt.

Hey collective..... if im out of line just tell me. Would you or anyone you know be interested in hiring a disabled vet? ABSOLUTELY NO PITTY PARTY HERE. I just love growing and it would be my dream job to "apprentice" under one of you guys. Its hard to find work when you get home from the war...... people are finnicky about hiring us.....which is bullshit but it is what it is.

An inductive light equivilant to a 1600 watt HID would be in the neighborhood of 750$, plus shipping. The equivilant of a 600 watt HID would be around 375$ plus shipping. The largest one I have has a shipping weight of 45 pounds.

I agree on the veg thought. I have seen plants veg well under the small lamp but the particular plant grew red round thingeees that were impossible to smoke. I imagine they work well with all plants but I want to know for sure before I personally make any claims. Maybe Collective could put a sprout into the enclosure with the flowering plant if theres room?

I'm learning as well as the rest of you, maybe one step ahead of you. I do have a slight background in electronics furnished by the Navy and that knowledge is what helped the inductive lights catch my attention, that and knowing LED's aren't the greatest and cost a lot, HID's work great but the heat sucks. As for your experience with marine electronic's, I have a little bit there, mostly as a buyer and installing my own, which, brings me to an off toppic subject. Do you know anything about the new Radar Lowrance has out? Specs make it look great, just curious. Just a thought, maybe a trade for a light or two? I don't know how involved you are in marine electronics but its just a thought. I am also aware of the very low markup on marine electronics. As for the inductive lights. The factory told me a 40% for retail is what I should ask, so, you can see theres room for deals there. Also, at this point, with my relativly small orders the shipping costs are high and should come down if I increase the order size. As for the spectral output, factory claims say they have used gasse's in the tubes that only produce usefull light for plants. Its very noticable that both tubes of the lights are different colors when operating. In another post I offered the lumen's per watt information. I am not very computer litereate and haven't been able to tranfer the comparison of the different spectral outputs of LED, HID and Inductive. If anybody out there has access to something that can test the output I'd like to hear from you.

Thanks

I don't have any figures, I can hold my hand against the light case and 1/4 in away from the glass covering the lights, approximatly 2 inch's from the tubes without having to move them. All lights but the 50 watt unit are fully enclosed and water proof. I can hold my back of my hand 1/4 inch away from a 50 watt tube without having to move it due to heat.

mellokitty said:

...thank you wiki!!
i'm very excited for you guys!! (and for the tests, yay!) electrodeless is the wave of the future.

docrock, what is the heat footprint like on these guys?

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docrock said:

An inductive light equivilant to a 1600 watt HID would be in the neighborhood of 750$, plus shipping. The equivilant of a 600 watt HID would be around 375$ plus shipping. The largest one I have has a shipping weight of 45 pounds.

I agree on the veg thought. I have seen plants veg well under the small lamp but the particular plant grew red round thingeees that were impossible to smoke. I imagine they work well with all plants but I want to know for sure before I personally make any claims. Maybe Collective could put a sprout into the enclosure with the flowering plant if theres room?

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These prices are doable. I don't do the thing where I want lower prices whatever the original quote. I'm not in that business anymore.

Listen gang, it's not like I've started the test yet. I can veg em for a while. I just can't compare em to a MH cause I don't want to buy a 250 watt MH and I do not like conversion bulbs. But, if you guys want to just see what they can do veging, no problem. With veg growth, you really don't need a side by side. We can all tell if the growth is good or bad just by looking. Just weigh in and let me know.

I want to be very clear. This is the group's test. Not just mine. Helper D and I are working for you guys on this one. These lights sound more and more promising when I hear of the prices. Let's just all make sure that we get this test done right so we really know. I can already tell that if it goes well, we will be getting the powerful ones and pitting them against a 1000 watt HPS. God knows I have enough of those.

A simply explaination. When electricty goes through a wire it creates a magnetic field around the wire. If you place another wire close to the first one it will pick up the magnetic field and transfer some of the electricity to it. This is how transformers work. Rather than running a filiment into a glass enclosure induction lights create a magnetic field around the glass, gas filled enclosure. The electricty tranfered by induction to the inside of the tubes excites the gas and creates light, colors of the light to be determined by the gase's used. A lack of an electrode of any kind is what allows manufacture's to claim 100,000 hours lifespan of the lights. Anyone out there correct me where I'm wrong.

I'm with you on the veg thing...let's just see what it does.....veg one out for a couple weeks....then when it's ready for flower....bring in three more clones for the flower test between the three lights.

docrock said:

A simply explaination. When electricty goes through a wire it creates a magnetic field around the wire. If you place another wire close to the first one it will pick up the magnetic field and transfer some of the electricity to it. This is how transformers work. Rather than running a filiment into a glass enclosure induction lights create a magnetic field around the glass, gas filled enclosure. The electricty tranfered by induction to the inside of the tubes excites the gas and creates light, colors of the light to be determined by the gase's used. A lack of an electrode of any kind is what allows manufacture's to claim 100,000 hours lifespan of the lights. Anyone out there correct me where I'm wrong.

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Correct .

I cant wait to see how this turns out!