1st try Barney's Tangerine Dream - Hempy/Scrog method

Id get ur lights a bit closer-plants kinda stretched looking...

Devilspawn said:

Id get ur lights a bit closer-plants kinda stretched looking...

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I think i got it roughly 6 inches away. Waiting for screen to fill out a little more before flowering.
Trying to train the growth under the screen. Its actually more filled out now compared to the pics.

Update coming soon.

DOOOOO NOOOOOTTTTT USSSSEEE RRROOOCCCCKKKKWWWWOOOOOOOOOLLLL MMMYYYY FFFRRRIIIIEEENNNNDDDDDDD.... IF YOU CARE, ASK ME WHY. also, you are wasting money by buying both the floranova grow and floranova bloom.. all you need is the bloom and some magical.

You are correct about the Flora Nova Bloom but I seriously disagree with you on Rockwool. It is the most trusted medium for cloning and it works well with seeds. What do you have against it? I'm asking...

ThaBigBinkk said:

DOOOOO NOOOOOTTTTT USSSSEEE RRROOOCCCCKKKKWWWWOOOOOOOOOLLLL MMMYYYY FFFRRRIIIIEEENNNNDDDDDDD.... IF YOU CARE, ASK ME WHY. also, you are wasting money by buying both the floranova grow and floranova bloom.. all you need is the bloom and some magical.

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I am actually looking to buy some of the TD's so I will definitely be sticking around. Good luck

Serapis, in the 'hempy method', you are continually hand pouring a nute solution over the top of the medium to fill up a 2" res at the bottom. If you use rockwool as your starter; instead of a jiffy pellet in hempy, you are always going to have a concentrated amount of solution right at the base of the root/stem conjunction, which makes the plant believe that all available resources are within the first 2-3 inches of the medium, which in the hempy method you do not want occuring, you want the roots to search and find their way down into your 'Created' water table.. this exploration of roots will also increase your size of plant, amount of shoots, and yield. Correct me if i am wrong but more/bigger root system = bigger better healthier plants. this is just from experience. when cloning in the jiffys, i wait for 1-2 roots to start coming out of the pellet bag, i then remove the netting that keeps the pellet 'whole' so when i transplant into my perlite/vermc mix, there is a smooth adaptation of mediums.. again this is just personal experience, and the peat moss has alot of trace nutes/minerals for your young cuttings to thrive.

MMJ, how big is your container? idk if i over read that info or just didnt see it.. refresh my memory..

Hey nice grow I started BF Tangerine Dream in the beginning of January and like how they are turning out.

StickyIcki ~~Nice pheno you got there. How far into flowering are you? I have another TD going just a few weeks which is more indica with wider leaves then my sativa pheno in the journal. I just performed the Unvle Bens 4 cola topping method on it. Just waiting to see if i did it right. I FIM'D my current TD,just wish i had done it earlier so it woulda branched more before hitting my scrog net.


ThaBigBinnk ~~ I have the TD in a 16q/4gal rectangular tupperware in 100% perlite. I feed at the corner edge of the container not at the stem. I have my rockwool plug planted high up in the container away from the res.

In the earlier stages i had a major problem when i had the rockwool in a mini pot.....it was too close to the res area and soaking it all up causing overwater problems. Learned my lesson from that encounter.

The rockwool i am using are the plugs which is made more for cloning since it has a slit for the stems. I feed clones Olivias cloning solution and sprouts up until they form their 2nd or 3rd leaf set, then i give them a weak Nova grow solution. For seeds i cut the plugs in half so the roots make their way out quicker and also so i dont encounter the problem i had earlier from big plugs soaking my res.

About not needing Flornova grow just Bloom only??...Can you please explain? Thought i use grow in veg then bloom for flower. I dont have the bloom bottle next to me so im not sure if it has N in it or not.

You have captured my attention. So I just use Nova Bloom and follow the Grow feed mix per gal?

Just finally compared the mix on the back label of the Floranova grow and bloom.

Difference is the NPK % but the Grow has all the micro- nutrients added like boron,zinc, manganese etc.. Bloom doesnt indicate any micro-nutes.

So far i havent encountered any problems other than minor nute burns and overwatering problems which was all due to my mistakes. Im also using tap water so no need to add cal-mag since its also in the Grow.

If i had used just Bloom only from the beginning would i have encountered micro-nute deficiencies due to the lack of it in the Bloom mix?

Sorry for the questions this is my first hydro grow.

UPDATE

Have not encountered any problems since last update.

Tasks performed:

1) Rotated Lighting around to get even distribution on right side.
2) Lowered Lighting to within a few inches of screen.
3) Maintained growth up near screen by pulling under and stretching to nearby holes.
4)Tucked away any fan leaves blocking lighting to low-mid branches.
5) Tied telephone wires at center of screen and secured to container to keep plant from pushing screen up.
6) Odor control kept in check with ONA block placed outside on top of box near box ex.vent.Works really well (Room smells like fresh Linen).

I havent received my replacement CMH bulb yet. I was planning on using it from start-mid flower stage before switching to HPS. Hopefully I get it in time.

Note to self * Noticed it is responding well to temps between 78-83 lights on.* Possibly due to it being more sativa/pheno type? Dont know. Growth is good so keep things the way it is unless problems indicate otherwise. Adjusted room Air con. to maintain temps at or near 79F in box.

Enjoy the pics

good work Danielson!! nah im serious 6 they are healthy, and a CMH is prolly my next investment, i hope she arrives for you in time for pre flower

tricka said:

good work Danielson!! nah im serious 6 they are healthy, and a CMH is prolly my next investment, i hope she arrives for you in time for pre flower

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Thx for the encouraging words.

As for the CMH bulb...was a shame it didnt fire up. The filament near the socket just lite up a lil purple but wouldnt spread to the full bulb and light up. Im assuming it is a defect and not a ballast compatability issue. Its a hydrofarm compact 250 hps sun.system. The cmh bulb is suppose to work on magnetic ballast. Anyways i just received the return label from the vendor so just need to ship it out for the replacement.

671mmj said:

Thx for the encouraging words.

As for the CMH bulb...was a shame it didnt fire up. The filament near the socket just lite up a lil purple but wouldnt spread to the full bulb and light up. Im assuming it is a defect and not a ballast compatability issue. Its a hydrofarm compact 250 hps sun.system. The cmh bulb is suppose to work on magnetic ballast. Anyways i just received the return label from the vendor so just need to ship it out for the replacement.

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...............Nice


P.s.....I used dots cos they keep saying i must add another 10 characters, Huh? i did this once and there was a full paragraph, sometimes RIU is slow and possibly stoned maybe....i dont know (secretly thinking that i hope that this is enough 'more characters' and i can actually post it)

Disregard my questions about floranova. I researched the lucas formula. Its only bloom from now on. Only reason to use the FNG would be for internode spacing and for agressive growth if you have less grow space restrictions. Guess ill be using FNBloom for indoors and FNG for outdoors.


Im guessing the lucas formula for FNB of 8ml per gal is for DWC and not for drain to waste like a passive hydro setup like hempy buckets.

Ill just start off lower or something equal to 4ml of FNG.

Sorry, again I have to disagree. A growing plant will not have root ends in the rockwool, the only thing in the rockwool at that point is the stem/stalk of the plant. Your 2" reservoir at the bottom of the hempy bucket isn't going to do a young plant any good to begin with. The roots are going to grow out of the rockwool, trust me....

btw, you don't have to remove the casing from a pellet.. the roots grow right through it..

ThaBigBinkk said:

Serapis, in the 'hempy method', you are continually hand pouring a nute solution over the top of the medium to fill up a 2" res at the bottom. If you use rockwool as your starter; instead of a jiffy pellet in hempy, you are always going to have a concentrated amount of solution right at the base of the root/stem conjunction, which makes the plant believe that all available resources are within the first 2-3 inches of the medium, which in the hempy method you do not want occuring, you want the roots to search and find their way down into your 'Created' water table.. this exploration of roots will also increase your size of plant, amount of shoots, and yield. Correct me if i am wrong but more/bigger root system = bigger better healthier plants. this is just from experience. when cloning in the jiffys, i wait for 1-2 roots to start coming out of the pellet bag, i then remove the netting that keeps the pellet 'whole' so when i transplant into my perlite/vermc mix, there is a smooth adaptation of mediums.. again this is just personal experience, and the peat moss has alot of trace nutes/minerals for your young cuttings to thrive.

MMJ, how big is your container? idk if i over read that info or just didnt see it.. refresh my memory..

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I shall respond when I get to a computer

Run it at 8ml mmj I started with 7ml first watering then stepped up

ThaBigBinkk said:

Run it at 8ml mmj I started with 7ml first watering then stepped up

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So would 8ml FNB be used throughout the grow? Is that the max dosage? Is 8ml like a starting dosage for all types of grow methods including hempy?

I just wanna be sure i dont cause problems at this stage of growth.

Plus i read that some strains like the sativa dominant ones are more nute sensitive.

Serapis said:

Sorry, again I have to disagree. A growing plant will not have root ends in the rockwool, the only thing in the rockwool at that point is the stem/stalk of the plant. Your 2" reservoir at the bottom of the hempy bucket isn't going to do a young plant any good to begin with. The roots are going to grow out of the rockwool, trust me....

btw, you don't have to remove the casing from a pellet.. the roots grow right through it..

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I do exactly the same - strike cuttings in Jiffy pellets and as soon as the roots show through the pellet casing, I remove the casing and gently wash away the peat.
Usually when the roots appear there is a whole mess of roots with lots of feeder hairs sucking away at the peat, hidden from sight - the first roots appearing is the indicator that it is time to dump the pellet and go hempy.
When growing in hempy I feel that all a large lump of peat contributes is somewhere for fungus gnats to lay their eggs.

If destined to grow in soil, then I leave the plant in the Jiffy pellet ... it's only with hempy that the pellet gets removed.

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