1st time veg closet grow w/t-5's

Someguy15

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Your plants are looking pretty good man. I do see a little twisting but you said you were planning to flush ect so your aware. I'm having the same problem as you with my bottom leaves yellowing. It's slowly working its way upward :( Hopefully this TDS meter I ordered will let me know for sure if it's deficiency or over fert. I tend to think deficiency but I'm seeing starting signs of nute burn so I don't want to push it. Trimming them back might be the only solution.
 
Drella

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Yeah, the two that were doing bad, i flushed yesterday, today, they're looking great, new growth is good looking. no signs of nute burn. the rest of the six clones i used botanicare veg fert for the first time 1/4 strength on four of the clones, and just water on two of them. Because i'm a newb i did this, and i didn't want to burn them, thirdly i didn't know how the two different indicas would react to this fert. They all did great! very happy today guys! posting two that are doing real good, two different kinds of indica!
 

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Going to do some lst on the clones tomorrow, wish me luck. How do you guys feel about lst. seeing a little stretching today after adding the fert. not nearly as much as i've seen on this site though! but you know, your first grow you stress about everything! the t-5 lights are supposed to be better for veg/dense nugs so i'm going to keep it under the light, but because i notice i tiny bit of stretching, i'm going to lst them tomorrow! theyre 6" away from light, i cant put them any closer due to canopy size, (the light fixture itself is only half width of the pots) so if i lower the light at all i wont be lighting all of the plants. i transplanted the clones straight into five gallon pots because i didn't want to transplant twice, thus the delema on the mind of the first time grow! any input is appreciated!
 
dtownscience

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digging your set up. these plants are gunna be huge before you know it. subscribed!

your nutrient issues look like potassium deficiency + nitrogen excess to me, but i am a humble noob. flush was a good move, but you will have to feed again soon or I predict more yellowing in the leaves.

*edit: also, i'm jealous of your temp/humidity settings. these are ideal! mine are good most of the time tho, but humidity can be a struggle and if its warm out my temps go up. good luck dude i'll be watching this!
 
Drella

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Hey guys and gals. Im a newb, should i use topping on my clones at this stage? I don't know too much about this. If you would use topping can you tell me how you would do it. I appreciate all of the help.
I know it's my first grow, but I can tell they are stretching a bit, (totally not as much as many I have seen), I have the t-5 lights as close as they can be, 6", because of the canopy. Do you guys suggest to use low stress training on these? any advice or opinions are appreciated.
 

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Drella said:
Hey guys and gals. Im a newb, should i use topping on my clones at this stage? I don't know too much about this. If you would use topping can you tell me how you would do it. I appreciate all of the help.
I know it's my first grow, but I can tell they are stretching a bit, (totally not as much as many I have seen), I have the t-5 lights as close as they can be, 6", because of the canopy. Do you guys suggest to use low stress training on these? any advice or opinions are appreciated.
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Topping is great for multiple colas. Ok before you get too excited, multiple colas not necessarily more bud then a single cola, remember that. What it is about is getting the plant to grow more horizontally versus vertically. HID lamps only penetrate the top 8-12" of canopy effectively, therefore growing out is better than up. Basically from what I gather, topping will cause the plant to grow 2 new growing shoots instead of the previous one. You can repeat this process on each new tip to double it again, I believe. If your planning to go the LST route, there's no need to top the plant, as you can increase surface area with training. Whenever you top a plant you lose some potency. But you can also use some root hormone and clone the plant with your cuttings. For my first grow, I'm going to avoid topping and LST, I want a good baseline so I can see the benefits of LST or topping. + I'm too afraid to f* it up :lol:

But lst would be easy for you with those large buckets.
 
Drella

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thanks for the input someguy, it's just have been hearing that i should top the plants, makes sense though, it wouldn't produce more, just spread it out. I'm now realizing that whatever i decide, i need to do it to all of the plants, (not top one, lst another, and do nothing to another clone) I want them to be relatively the same height. I definitely want to do something, but i totally respect your decision, someguy. I don't want to fuck anything up either, my first time. I'm moving more toward lst though, looking at all of the new growth in the middle of the plants makes me want to give them more light. i like the idea of having a bushy plant rather than a tall plant.
My clones are sitting in 5 gallon pots, (which are actually 3.5 gallons i think), so im probably going to veg them until they are between 12" to 18", then flower them. I definitely don't want to have root bound/root rot problems. My bloom room only has 4'x4' floor space to work with, so i figure with my eight clones i'll turn two into mother plants, (i have two different kinds of indica), and leave them in the veg room. I can take clippings off of those to keep the grow going. with the other six clones i can put them in the bloom room, i figure this will give them enough space. any input is appreciated.
 
dtownscience

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Drella said:
thanks for the input someguy, it's just have been hearing that i should top the plants, makes sense though, it wouldn't produce more, just spread it out. I'm now realizing that whatever i decide, i need to do it to all of the plants, (not top one, lst another, and do nothing to another clone) I want them to be relatively the same height. I definitely want to do something, but i totally respect your decision, someguy. I don't want to fuck anything up either, my first time. I'm moving more toward lst though, looking at all of the new growth in the middle of the plants makes me want to give them more light. i like the idea of having a bushy plant rather than a tall plant.
My clones are sitting in 5 gallon pots, (which are actually 3.5 gallons i think), so im probably going to veg them until they are between 12" to 18", then flower them. I definitely don't want to have root bound/root rot problems. My bloom room only has 4'x4' floor space to work with, so i figure with my eight clones i'll turn two into mother plants, (i have two different kinds of indica), and leave them in the veg room. I can take clippings off of those to keep the grow going. with the other six clones i can put them in the bloom room, i figure this will give them enough space. any input is appreciated.
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I'm working with 4x4 too, and 6 plants is a good fill. Mine could be larger, too. As far as LST/topping goes, that could go either way. If you really want to keep things short, I'd say yeah top them. If you wanna keep things short but want larger main colas, LST. If you have like 3 or 4 feet that the plants can grow to though, since its your first grow, I'd say let them go as is. Just my 2 cents
 
Drella

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Thank you d-town science. weird how fate works. got the itch and topped two clones tonight, (I have two different indicas. i topped 2, 1 of each kind), crazy. we'll see what happens. I'll post pictures if it goes good or goes south. still thinking about doing LST to the rest though, i know crazy! thanks for all of your in put everybody. if anybody is wondering, if i do LST and topping on my eight clones, i have my lights on chains, so if they're different heights then i'll just adjust the chains for the lights, they can be off level. wish me luck guys!
 
Drella

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Do you guys practice any kind of trimming? If you do, at what stage do you trim? any input is appreciated.
 
Drella

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hey guys! up date the first picture is of the clones on day ten. I topped two of the clones, (I have two different kinds of indica) one of each kind. The second and third picture are of the clones that i topped. this was my first time, and i just pinched the top new growth off, and opinions or thoughts are appreciated.
The fourth picture is maybe preflowers starting to grow. I know those spikes are stipules, but at the base i cant tell if it's calyx's or staminates, or maybe too early to tell. any seasoned experience is greatly appreciated. these clones were supposedly of a female, but 1st time growers fear is settling in thanks for any help!
Lastly my plan now is to lst all of the clones as well. tonight i'm going to do the ones that are 3-4" above the pot. wish me luck!
 

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bump. anyone have any input on my topping pics, or if it's too early to tell preflowers at this stage?
 
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Day 12 and looking good! I have now LST to five of my eight clones. Definitely looking good. They seem to have taken well to the bend, and are now rebending back vertically. By exposing the undergrowth i have given it a chance to see some well needed light. very happy i kept them in this veg room with the 4 t-5 flouro's. i can tell the difference of grow between hps and blue fluoro's. watering only really every five to six days. these 3.5 gallon pots hold the water pretty good! I feel safe watering the plants good, and letting them get pretty dry to search for the water. still no drooping of leaves since first week. First pic is of setup today. middle pics are of some of the LST and newgrowth getting some well needed light. last pick is of the bamboo looking indica clone, looking great!
 

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Thanks for the input SG15. My bloom room is 4x4x6 so i definitely have the 4ft. do you think ill have root bound problems with these pots?
 
Drella

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Veg day 19. Rotated the clones because i have the fan on one side of the closet. That's the first picture. The second is of the stretching. Should I be worried about this? I have enough height in my bloom room, i just want the dense nugs. should i consider topping to let the undergrowth get more dense, or should I let it be, +rep for any help, thanks!
 

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Drella said:
Veg day 19. Rotated the clones because i have the fan on one side of the closet. That's the first picture. The second is of the stretching. Should I be worried about this? I have enough height in my bloom room, i just want the dense nugs. should i consider topping to let the undergrowth get more dense, or should I let it be, +rep for any help, thanks!
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Undergrowth is almost useless in bloom because the light can only penetrate the top foot or two of the plant. How many gal are your pots? I've heard the rule of thumb is 1 gallon per foot of plant. So 4 gal for 4 footers. If you want to increase surface area, have you considered doing sea of green with a trellis in your bloom room? The other option is to just continue the LST. Never remove the healthy fan leaves in order to get light to the under foliage, just not worth it.

Topping is also a choice to split into two colas. All of the techniques are focusing on the same feature, expanding surface area instead of favoring height.

Experiment, try different methods on different plants and see how you like the results. Experimenting for yourself will be more valuable then someone saying this is the absolute way to do it.
 
Drella

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Thanks some guy, +rep for sure. I have been experimenting throughout the grow, (I guess that's the good part of having eight clones, and two different kinds,) I have a real bushy clone, and a real bamboo type looking clone. I used topping early on, on one of the bamboo clones. I like this method on this fast growing clone because i makes all of the undergrowth grow at the same time. I didn't use this on the other three clones and I noticed a lot of stretching. Although on the bushy clones i used topping early on and it seems to have stunted growth. The ones that i didn't top are thriving and bushy.
Pic 1- day 21 veg
Pic 2- the two tallest bamboo looking clones. I topped them two days ago, 18"
Pic 3- a bamboo clone i topped early on. opinions?
Pic 4- The bushy clones, man are they thriving!
 

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