1st soil + autoflower run!!!

ViceCityGrower

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Hello all!!! I’ve been running photo fems for about five years in 100% perlite with GH Flora series nutes and have had great results. Welp time to try my hand at autos plus soil. I picked up FFOF as well as Happy Frog top dress. Am I supposed to use the Happy Frog after about three weeks because the FFOF has enough nutes and when should I start adding CalMag and should I PH my water? Water is store bought by the way. Thanks for any help
 

JoeBlow5823

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Hello all!!! I’ve been running photo fems for about five years in 100% perlite with GH Flora series nutes and have had great results. Welp time to try my hand at autos plus soil. I picked up FFOF as well as Happy Frog top dress. Am I supposed to use the Happy Frog after about three weeks because the FFOF has enough nutes and when should I start adding CalMag and should I PH my water? Water is store bought by the way. Thanks for any help
You will be disappointed with autos.... Quality just isn't there. I personally just switched from autos to photos. Why not just try your fem photos in dirt?
 

ViceCityGrower

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Had to downsize considerably to 2x2 tent and said why not. I’ll probably go back to photos if it’s not there. Plus I ran out of seeds and this is what a friend had
 

pop22

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total bullshit. I grow both and I've grown many an auto that will match its photoperiod equivalent easily. Like anything else you have to pick quality genetics. Dutch Passion, Mephisto, a few others have top qaulity strains.


You will be disappointed with autos.... Quality just isn't there. I personally just switched from autos to photos. Why not just try your fem photos in dirt?
 

JoeBlow5823

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total bullshit. I grow both and I've grown many an auto that will match its photoperiod equivalent easily. Like anything else you have to pick quality genetics. Dutch Passion, Mephisto, a few others have top qaulity strains.
First person thats ever disagreed with me on that statement.
 

ViceCityGrower

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At least from what I’ve smoked from Mephisto it was as good if not better than some photos. Only thing is you can’t get a hold of the beans and I don’t order from overseas.
 

JoeBlow5823

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Does that mean you're an expert or that you've been hoping someone would speak up? I find that most people who make such statements are trolling.
Never had an auto that was as potent as the best photo strains out there.... In general, they seem weaker.
 

pop22

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Your experience is not enough to judge and entire segment of cannabis by. There are many autos that test 20% THC and higher. Mephisto has had some as high as 27%. And I've had photos that may as well have been hemp..... doesn't mean photos suck. Try some DP Night Queen or Cinderella Jack auto, excellent genetics!

Never had an auto that was as potent as the best photo strains out there.... In general, they seem weaker.
 

JoeBlow5823

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Your experience is not enough to judge and entire segment of cannabis by. There are many autos that test 20% THC and higher. Mephisto has had some as high as 27%. And I've had photos that may as well have been hemp..... doesn't mean photos suck. Try some DP Night Queen or Cinderella Jack auto, excellent genetics!
Right ~20% is your typical auto while ~25% is your typical photo. My point is that autos range 0-high 20s while photos range 0-low thirties. Seeds from a reputable photo breeder will typically be a few points higher than seeds from a reputable auto breeder.
 

pop22

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No photos do not average 25%, where did you come up with that? Photos average 15-20% with some current strains as high as 35% But not average. In fact, photos and autos are about even at this point as to average. And don't go by seedbank info, they will tell you ALL strains are 20% + which is bullshit. Out of 400+ photo strains, 10 to maybe 20, exceed 25%. And a lot of these guys having their bud tested, cherry pick results, I'll guarantee you you'll be hard pressed to get a 30% THC, or even 25%, bud from a clone of one of those strains! Check on seedfinder.eu, they have better info than most places


Right ~20% is your typical auto while ~25% is your typical photo. My point is that autos range 0-high 20s while photos range 0-low thirties. Seeds from a reputable photo breeder will typically be a few points higher than seeds from a reputable auto breeder.
 

JoeBlow5823

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No photos do not average 25%, where did you come up with that? Photos average 15-20% with some current strains as high as 35% But not average. In fact, photos and autos are about even at this point as to average. And don't go by seedbank info, they will tell you ALL strains are 20% + which is bullshit. Out of 400+ photo strains, 10 to maybe 20, exceed 25%. And a lot of these guys having their bud tested, cherry pick results, I'll guarantee you you'll be hard pressed to get a 30% THC, or even 25%, bud from a clone of one of those strains! Check on seedfinder.eu, they have better info than most places
I didnt say average. I said TYPICAL. We are talking about the hard hitting strains here. So when you go with a company like say Mass Medical, their most potent strain Prayer Pupil will typically be about 25%. When you go with a company like Mephesto, your hard hitting strain will typically come in around 20%.
 

OGSFV0077

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You will be disappointed with autos.... Quality just isn't there. I personally just switched from autos to photos. Why not just try your fem photos in dirt?
You are spitting total horse shit bro. Yes years ago when autos were merely a novelty with no real rewards come harvest that couldn't be farther from the truth nowadays. If you had even once grown an auto from a proven breeder you would not be singing that auto trashing tune. Ive grown over two dozen autos and had one bad result due to my own negligence during the seedling stage where i over watered and stunted her which yeilded almost a quarter oz lol. That 6.3 dried and cured bud was fire and believe me when i say I know fire. I grew up in the San Fernando Valley Southern California and was front and center for all the newest kush to hit the scene. The original Bubba Kush the OG kush (SFV OG-SFV OG Kush ) The phenos that pretty much started a breeding frenzy among growers in So Cal. I wouldn't be so inclined to reply to you if I didn't think your statement was clueless and misinformed.
 

peperonia

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had decent outcome from auto doing second run of fems last set got hermied. so trying again but from different seedbank. good luck
 

Dontjudgeme

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My first auto run I got burned cause the dang thing ended up being a photo. Completely screwed my entire perpetual harvest up. No fault on the plant, just wrong seeds packaged, and the plant ended up being a beast because I Vegged it so long. Popped the second seed and had the same result. 64 days in and not 1 flower. Might as well had grown a photo. That’s my only gripe with autos, not quality, but not being 100% sure that I have an auto in the first place. We’ll see on the next run.
 

JoeBlow5823

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You are spitting total horse shit bro. Yes years ago when autos were merely a novelty with no real rewards come harvest that couldn't be farther from the truth nowadays. If you had even once grown an auto from a proven breeder you would not be singing that auto trashing tune. Ive grown over two dozen autos and had one bad result due to my own negligence during the seedling stage where i over watered and stunted her which yeilded almost a quarter oz lol. That 6.3 dried and cured bud was fire and believe me when i say I know fire. I grew up in the San Fernando Valley Southern California and was front and center for all the newest kush to hit the scene. The original Bubba Kush the OG kush (SFV OG-SFV OG Kush ) The phenos that pretty much started a breeding frenzy among growers in So Cal. I wouldn't be so inclined to reply to you if I didn't think your statement was clueless and misinformed.
I tried a good hand full of breeders. Just not mephisto. Being able to do whatever training you want and flip to flower when you want to make photos a clear winner for me. Im not saying they are just "novelty". But if they were that amazing, dont ya think at least a couple commercial growers would run them?
 

peperonia

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My first auto run I got burned cause the dang thing ended up being a photo. Completely screwed my entire perpetual harvest up. No fault on the plant, just wrong seeds packaged, and the plant ended up being a beast because I Vegged it so long. Popped the second seed and had the same result. 64 days in and not 1 flower. Might as well had grown a photo. That’s my only gripe with autos, not quality, but not being 100% sure that I have an auto in the first place. We’ll see on the next run.
hmm that interesting....i will say these last seeds i got i thought were auto but were mislabeled and are photo. i had it outside, its kind of tall but luckily its started showing hairs so we are in flower. i feel like the photo take nutes way better, autos are very delicate in my experience but try new seeds bank and we shall see haha
 

Dontjudgeme

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hmm that interesting....i will say these last seeds i got i thought were auto but were mislabeled and are photo. i had it outside, its kind of tall but luckily its started showing hairs so we are in flower. i feel like the photo take nutes way better, autos are very delicate in my experience but try new seeds bank and we shall see haha
That’s exactly what I’m gonna do. Next order is coming from seedsman.
 
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