1st grow 30 days in...CFL

Here what I found, and quite the find it is I must say. Thank You Daisy!!

Hydrogen peroxide is a powerful oxidizer that can be used to destroy fungi, molds, bacteria and other infectious agents as well as some pollutants. Adding it to your water helps plants by destroying infectious agents and by adding oxygen to the roots' environment.

Hydrogen peroxide is an essential ingredient in maintaining a clean growing room. It replaces chlorine bleach, which is antiseptic but harmful to breathe. When added to reservoirs, hydrogen peroxide slows the growth of algae and other water organisms so that trays and utensils need to be cleaned less frequently. Soil and water borne diseases such as pythium and other stem and root rots occur at much lower rates in hydrogen peroxide-enriched water. Hydrogen peroxide works because of the oxidative reaction, so micro-organisms are unlikely to develop a tolerance.
Everything I read says to use 30ml per gallon of water(when watering), so not much. It makes sense too that the extra atom of oxygen is good for the roots.
I'm going to add it every other watering. Next watering- peroxide then nutes, then peroxide again, then nutes etc....Sound good?

itsgrowinglikeaweed said:

Ok heres the closet today. I've added 2 1600Lumen cfls, 2 1000 short tubes (i know they are weak), and 1 square ring 1200 lumen cfl. So with the 4 tubes I already had I now have a total of 18,800 lumens. Lights range between 1/2 inch and 5 inches away from the plants. The closet is about 3ft wide by 5ft deep. I cant even open the door to it now with out putting some sunglasses on first!!

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What ever your highest lumen bulb is...is the MAX lumens you will get. If your strongest light is 1600 lumens...your only getting 1600 lumens...you cannot add lumens together. If you want more lumens you have to buy a bulb that puts put allot. Adding 2 1600 lumen bulbs does not make 3200 lumens. It rather increases your lux, which is still an important role in growing.

Ok thanks homegrownboy. But still, more bulbs = more light= more grow. So if the plants could talk they would not say "hey thanks for the extra lumens" but they would say "thanks!"

Lol...yes if they could talk, it would be So much easier.

I never thought about the added oxygen from the peroxide. Do people water with this stuff every time? Seems like it would be a good idea. I'm going to do some looking up

I've heard of people using a small amount for all waterings.

well i dont believe just because they are bushy they are male, in fact i have believed that the shorter the better cause males tend to grow taller to pollinate as many females as they can

plus they are bushy becuase you are doing a good job at providing light and not cause their male

so GROW ON!!!

homegrownboy said:

What ever your highest lumen bulb is...is the MAX lumens you will get. If your strongest light is 1600 lumens...your only getting 1600 lumens...you cannot add lumens together. If you want more lumens you have to buy a bulb that puts put allot. Adding 2 1600 lumen bulbs does not make 3200 lumens. It rather increases your lux, which is still an important role in growing.

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what?i believe your wrong...

you can add lumens, lux is a measure ment of light at a certain distance and lumens are just another way of measuring light per square foot.. etc

smae shit basically

just dif names, like meters and yards

both measure distance

here is some info

The difference between the lux and the lumen is that the lux takes into account the area over which the luminous flux is spread. 1000 lumens, concentrated into an area of one square metre, lights up that square metre with an illuminance of 1000 lux. The same 1000 lumens, spread out over ten square metres, produces a dimmer illuminance of only 100 lux.
Achieving an illuminance of 500 lux might be possible in a home kitchen with a single fluorescent light fixture with an output of 12000 lumens. To light a factory floor with dozens of times the area of the kitchen would require dozens of such fixtures. Thus, lighting a larger area to the same level of lux requires a greater number of lumens.

so if you have 2 1600 lumen lights in one square meter

thats 3200 lux

but if those lights are in a 2 sqaure meter room

thats only 1600 lux same lumens different lux

research before you post homegrownboy

raeman1990 said:

so if you have 2 1600 lumen lights in one square meter

thats 3200 lux

but if those lights are in a 2 sqaure meter room

thats only 1600 lux same lumens different lux

research before you post homegrownboy

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Do some research on lumens

They do not add. 1 light with 1500 lumens will give you 1500 lumens. 100 lights with 1500 lumens each will still give you 1500 lumens

daisy2687 said:

Do some research on lumens

They do not add. 1 light with 1500 lumens will give you 1500 lumens. 100 lights with 1500 lumens each will still give you 1500 lumens

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i have still not read anything saying they dont

all the pages ive read else where state in other words that they do,,

please if im wrong i would like to know

if you have a link to a page i would like to read it and correct myself for future

Ok, from the 20+ years i have been growing...it has ALWAYS been known, in order to get alot of lumens...you need to buy a bulb that produces alot to begin with. Adding lights together does NOT increase your lumens, only your lux...there is a post on here somewhere that a guy PROVED that you can't...he had a light meter and he put 2 1600 lumen bulbs together everywhich way he could..and guess what...it stayed at 1600 lumens.

Fact is fact...i NEVER post anything that isn't already a known fact...but i guess there'as always people that have to debate you.

homegrownboy said:

Ok, from the 20+ years i have been growing...it has ALWAYS been known, in order to get alot of lumens...you need to buy a bulb that produces alot to begin with. Adding lights together does NOT increase your lumens, only your lux...there is a post on here somewhere that a guy PROVED that you can't...he had a light meter and he put 2 1600 lumen bulbs together everywhich way he could..and guess what...it stayed at 1600 lumens.

Fact is fact...i NEVER post anything that isn't already a known fact...but i guess there'as always people that have to debate you.

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I saw that post too.. It wasnt more than 2 months ago I bet we could find it ;p

Yes and thx for the backup Daisy

That makes a lot of sense raeman, thanks! This thread is really starting to pile up on good info. Gotta love it.
You probably already found out Daisy, but for everyone else- YES you can add the peroxide at every watering. So long as your not overwatering. 30ml /Gallon of water. 30ml=2 tablespoons. Also, make sure its the 3% peroxide. ( thats the regular stuff you already have in the med cabinet).

In homegrown boys defence- It was (as I thought) somewhat of a play on words. Lummens vs lux. Although perhaps not 100% accurate homegrownboys comment did lead eventually to the correct answer. Thank you all!!

Your welcome...and thx for the comment on backing me up. I will post more information on this at a later time.

(((((((((((((((CFLs are still fluorescents, despite being physically smaller than the traditional long tubes. Fluoros make low intensity light; the intensity drops dramatically only a few inches away from the lamp tube. This is generally OK for slow-veg of small plants. However, good bud development requires the high-intensity light you only get from HID lighting.

CFLs as such are not revolutionary nor in any way 'the next big thing.' They DO have some good applications with clones and early vegging, though. Even the big 100-300W CFLs as used in Envirolites and other fixtures, while brighter (more intense) than their small grocery-store cousins, still produce low-intensity light. These big CFLs will do better with flowering than the small ones but simply can't produce the same results as even a small HPS. A 150W HPS will kick the pants off a 150W CFL in flowering due to the difference in luminous intensity.

One point that even long-experienced growers miss is that lumens don't 'add.' Lumens are a measure of light intensity, which the human eye interprets as brightness. If you have a 1500 lumen CFL and you put another 1500 lumen CFL beside it, the total luminous output in the effective coverage area near your two CFLs is- wait for it- 1500 lumens. Just because you put one CFL next to another does not make either lamp any brighter or more intense.


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For the above image, I set up two 20W CFLs in two fixtures, let them warm up for about 5 mins and measured the luminous output around them at a distance of 50mm. The lux meter read around 63-65K lux from the sides of either CFL by itself. When the lux meter sensor is placed so that it is as close as practicable to within 50mm of both tubes, the meter still reads 63-65K lux.

Luminous intensity from multiple sources acts like voltages in parallel. If you put two 1.5V batteries in parallel, you get 1.5V. Same with luminous intensity. As said previously, if you put two 1500 lumen lamps next to one another, you have... 1500 lumens. Neither lamp gets any brighter just because they are next to one another. Luminous intensity is not a measure of the volume or number of photons being thrown at a given point but rather the energy pushing them, analogous to voltage in an electrical circuit.

Consequently, you can put all the 1500 lumen CFLs you want in a grow but the luminous intensity will remain at 1500 lumens. If you need more intensity, you need a more intense (brighter) light, not more low-intensity lights.))))))))))))))



Here is an article from a different website.

Thank again homey . You must be a fast typer lol. The comparison to batteries is excellent- two 1.2 volt batteries together is still 1.2 volts. In the case of the batteries, 2 together will just last a little longer, in the case of the lights they will just light a larger area.

And again...your welcome for the information...the more you know...the better you grow.

On a side note....i was looking at your gallery and i noticed your using foil as your reflective...that's bad ju-ju. Aluminum foil can and most likely will burn your plants. Foil acts as a heat reflector more then a light reflector...it will reflect heat back to your plant and cause it mass amounts of heat stress. Paint your walls with plain white paint or buy some mylar (reccomended) for better reflective soloutions.