18x23 inches closet - Is it enough for a decent grow?

THE KONASSURE said:

Ah Ammo that explains the structure

Why is it only Ammo seems to be best when the buds do what I call the "white dog poo" change ? I used to think it was down to the extra flowering time for ammo

and the pointy top I normally a credit to NL#5 it seems to do that ammo tall stacked callax thing too just as Ammo has haze more sativa longer flowering time taller buds ?

I was pretty sure it had to be genetic I mean I`ve seen hot spots cause some differences but it was clearly more pointy, lol


Looking nice enjoy the peppery loveliness that is Ammo, South London peeps go crazy for it here

Never done or had Heisenberg what`s it like ?

Sorry to thread jack Gringo........

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Nice heady day smoke though heavier doses are sedating.

HandyGringo said:

Here's how it actually looks. The 2 shelves can be moved around where ever I want in the cabinet. I was planning on using some silicone to seal every corner and edge though, just so it's air and smell proof.

Also was considering keeping those metal-net things, or at least one of them at the bottom. They would be perfect for holding a 5 gallon smart pot, and allowing air flow below the smart pot, while also allowing the runoff to drip down on a trey below.. + they slide out.. so you could have an easier time grooming and lst'ing and watering.

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Sorry for the thread jack. The pics are to show that auto might be a good way to go. You can run a couple levels of auto staggered at different phases to allow a constant supply of smoke.

With cob led the heat wouldn't be a problem. No need for complicated airflow designs.

You can make fem seeds easy. Make your own fem auto seeds and no need to buy a lot of seeds.

Just leave a lower bud or two when you chop and it will eventually throw nanners in a last ditch effort to make seeds. Use that pollen on another female auto and you have your own fem auto seeds.

whitebb2727 said:

Sorry for the thread jack. The pics are to show that auto might be a good way to go. You can run a couple levels of auto staggered at different phases to allow a constant supply of smoke.

With cob led the heat wouldn't be a problem. No need for complicated airflow designs.

You can make fem seeds easy. Make your own fem auto seeds and no need to buy a lot of seeds.
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Just leave a lower bud or two when you chop and it will eventually throw nanners in a last ditch effort to make seeds. Use that pollen on another female auto and you have your own fem auto seeds.

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Plus with autos you can run the lights 24/0 no need to worry about the "veg" leaking light and making balls

good way to go for small set ups is lower power lights running 24/0 vs using 2 to 4x the power for 12 or 10 hour days, it don`t feel as "extreme" when your doing it but shelfs of autos could yield more than one big plant and you`d be able to vary taste and do a few more plants

Down side you`ll probably have to go from seed most of the time.... so will cost a bit more than clones but that means you can try a load of different strains

THE KONASSURE said:

Plus with autos you can run the lights 24/0 no need to worry about the "veg" leaking light and making balls

good way to go for small set ups is lower power lights running 24/0 vs using 2 to 4x the power for 12 or 10 hour days, it don`t feel as "extreme" when your doing it but shelfs of autos could yield more than one big plant and you`d be able to vary taste and do a few more plants

Down side you`ll probably have to go from seed most of the time.... so will cost a bit more than clones but that means you can try a load of different strains

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I prefer 19/5 or 20/4 for autos. People have good results with 18/6.

whitebb2727 said:

I prefer 19/5 or 20/4 for autos. People have good results with 18/6.

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you ever tried 12/5/1/5

so 12 hours light 5 hours dark 1 hour light and 5 hours dark ?

some people use it to veg photo plants just wondering if it would actually slow down flowering on an auto, but 19/5 or 20/4 sounds good, I`ve run them from 8 all the way upto 24/0, tbh with autos it seems that how well the roots shoot off matter more than any other factor to get yield off them ?

THE KONASSURE said:

you ever tried 12/5/1/5

so 12 hours light 5 hours dark 1 hour light and 5 hours dark ?

some people use it to veg photo plants just wondering if it would actually slow down flowering on an auto, but 19/5 or 20/4 sounds good, I`ve run them from 8 all the way upto 24/0, tbh with autos it seems that how well the roots shoot off matter more than any other factor to get yield off them ?

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The gas lantern routine is more for phot plants. A way to veg and save electric.

Ill agree, The roots matter more. I fount the sweet spot around 19/5,

THE KONASSURE said:

yeah build your top shelf and cram all your wires fans and hot shit in there

then for the clone`s I would use some cfl`s or a low power led panel, like 30w or so 60w max, your going to want your veg shelf to be around 30 to 50% the height of your main flowering area

500mm normally is just about enough to let you veg up a 300 to 400mm clone, sometimes you can bend and side light

then I`d go with 4 plants or so on the lower shelf light them from the top down

see your flowering lights can be set up to perfectly warm your clones root zone helping them root up

once their roots are coming out the bottom of the rockwall slab just move them downstairs to flower up

go with an 8 to 10 week strain and you`ll get 10 to 12 weeks between crops or stagger them half half, 100% upto you, make it work for you

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I'm not entirely sure what you mean. I have a hard time picturing it..

whitebb2727 said:

Cardboard boxes are great for drying in.

Or keep the tent and set it up only for drying.

My cab is 2 x 4 x6 so its a little bigger.
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That's a lovely cabinet! I think I'll invest in a box fan, you know one of those silent ones.. I hope they live up to the hype.. Just the smallest one I can get my hands on. Suspended from some rubber or something.

And a cardboard box will stink up my whole apartment. I need that carbon filter for drying :/

whitebb2727 said:

Sorry for the thread jack. The pics are to show that auto might be a good way to go. You can run a couple levels of auto staggered at different phases to allow a constant supply of smoke.

With cob led the heat wouldn't be a problem. No need for complicated airflow designs.

You can make fem seeds easy. Make your own fem auto seeds and no need to buy a lot of seeds.
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Just leave a lower bud or two when you chop and it will eventually throw nanners in a last ditch effort to make seeds. Use that pollen on another female auto and you have your own fem auto seeds.

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I don't mind the thread jack at all! Those are some beautiful plants. But wouldn't I get a bigger yield from 1 plant, and scrogging and lsting, than having 4 autos for instance? I technically do have 2 LEDS I could use, a really good cob one, and a mars hydro 300.. But then we run into the problem again with no place to dry, and I'd rather not have the tent in my room, or another fan running. So I guess I gotta dedicate a section of the closet to drying.. Doesn't even have to be a big part.. right?

HandyGringo said:

I'm not entirely sure what you mean. I have a hard time picturing it..


That's a lovely cabinet! I think I'll invest in a box fan, you know one of those silent ones.. I hope they live up to the hype.. Just the smallest one I can get my hands on. Suspended from some rubber or something.

And a cardboard box will stink up my whole apartment. I need that carbon filter for drying :/



I don't mind the thread jack at all! Those are some beautiful plants. But wouldn't I get a bigger yield from 1 plant, and scrogging and lsting, than having 4 autos for instance? I technically do have 2 LEDS I could use, a really good cob one, and a mars hydro 300.. But then we run into the problem again with no place to dry, and I'd rather not have the tent in my room, or another fan running. So I guess I gotta dedicate a section of the closet to drying.. Doesn't even have to be a big part.. right?

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Yes but longer veg time. It all works out in the end.


I've done both. In the end I've decided I'm going back to scrog. I will keep doing 3 plants in my cab. I'm adding another the size of yours to veg in. Stagger my scrogs for constant supply.

Ill put four stakes in each pot for a screen. The big cab for flower, the little for veg.

One thing that concerns me is the potential for a fire. In my case, the closet is in my old 1940s house....dry wooden floors, dust in the air, old wooden paneling, etc.
Using a powerful 'arc sodium' lamp seems risky in such an environment, no?

Big_Lou said:

One thing that concerns me is the potential for a fire. In my case, the closet is in my old 1940s house....dry wooden floors, dust in the air, old wooden paneling, etc.
Using a powerful 'arc sodium' lamp seems risky in such an environment, no?

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I'm using LEDs. I don't like HPS or MH. They're too hot.

whitebb2727 said:

Yes but longer veg time. It all works out in the end.

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I've done both. In the end I've decided I'm going back to scrog. I will keep doing 3 plants in my cab. I'm adding another the size of yours to veg in. Stagger my scrogs for constant supply.

Ill put four stakes in each pot for a screen. The big cab for flower, the little for veg.

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Your grow is beautiful man. I'm sure I could fit a really nice plant in my cabinet. And scrog it as well. Won't be able to have 3.. but 1 will be plenty for my needs. Also can you somehow make it so I can see your profile? I really want to see your grow(s)

HandyGringo said:

Your grow is beautiful man. I'm sure I could fit a really nice plant in my cabinet. And scrog it as well. Won't be able to have 3.. but 1 will be plenty for my needs. Also can you somehow make it so I can see your profile? I really want to see your grow(s)

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Thank you.

Followed.

https://www.rollitup.org/t/oak-wardrobe-organic-grow.870933/

Big_Lou said:

One thing that concerns me is the potential for a fire. In my case, the closet is in my old 1940s house....dry wooden floors, dust in the air, old wooden paneling, etc.
Using a powerful 'arc sodium' lamp seems risky in such an environment, no?

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Ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
http://www.htgsupply.com/products/the-watch-dog-automatic-fire-extinguisher-12-kg

@HandyGringo
Maybe this will help you visualize how you could set up your box. This way is just one that I put together real quick as you can tell lol. It utilizes one fan and one filter for the entire box. Low power consumption and little noise. You can also keep all of your electrical outlets/plugs/timers etc out of the rooms by keeping it all up top with the filter.

http://www.stovetopfirestop.com/

these are the powder ones that go over a cook stove.

HydroRed said:

@HandyGringo
Maybe this will help you visualize how you could set up your box. This way is just one that I put together real quick as you can tell lol. It utilizes one fan and one filter for the entire box. Low power consumption and little noise. You can also keep all of your electrical outlets/plugs/timers etc out of the rooms by keeping it all up top with the filter.
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Holy shit that's a real quick sketch? That's impressive, and really well thought out, thanks a lot! I'm going to do something like that. Either with a veg room, or a drying room. Works either way!

But how would my grow work, with both rooms? Like wouldn't the veg plant get too big? In relation to the flowering plant's time line? Or would I need like.. To start seeds 14 days into flower, so they're the right size when the first plant is done flowering? (Sorry for being a newb)

HandyGringo said:

Holy shit that's a real quick sketch? That's impressive, and really well thought out, thanks a lot! I'm going to do something like that. Either with a veg room, or a drying room. Works either way!

But how would my grow work, with both rooms? Like wouldn't the veg plant get too big? In relation to the flowering plant's time line? Or would I need like.. To start seeds 14 days into flower, so they're the right size when the first plant is done flowering? (Sorry for being a newb)

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Ya, you would need to establish a relative time to start them off after you initiate flower. Maybe start seeds or get a clone going once you are 4 weeks into flower. If the veg plant gets too big/bushy, you can always prune/top etc.

HydroRed said:

Ya, you would need to establish a relative time to start them off after you initiate flower. Maybe start seeds or get a clone going once you are 4 weeks into flower. If the veg plant gets too big/bushy, you can always prune/top etc.

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You're very right. Thanks for the tips. But, I have a concern. With your setup, would both passive air intakes take in the same amount of air? I fear the top one (veg chamber) would pull in a lot more air than the bottom in take. Since the top one is closer to the extraction fan?

Also do you know of some good ventilation covers or something that can block air as well?

Also is there some good way to trap light? Like a professional solution? instead of cardboard stuff.

Also, I need a very tiny extraction fan. What's the smallest most silent fan I can utilize? Every proper fan I find is like at least 230 m3/h. That's way too powerful for my tiny closet.

HandyGringo said:

You're very right. Thanks for the tips. But, I have a concern. With your setup, would both passive air intakes take in the same amount of air? I fear the top one (veg chamber) would pull in a lot more air than the bottom in take. Since the top one is closer to the extraction fan?

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Cant say since I've never built one. Im sure if you wanted to though, you could block off one a bit to restrict the air flow to even it out though if that were an issue.

HandyGringo said:

Also do you know of some good ventilation covers or something that can block air as well?

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Not sure what you mean? If you mean a louver to only open when the fan is on and the air is pulling in the inlet, you can use a 4" dryer vent louver to keep the passive intakes closed when not drawing air.

HandyGringo said:

Also is there some good way to trap light? Like a professional solution? instead of cardboard stuff.

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If you put (3) 90* elbows together to form a "s" bend and add some flex hose etc to it then light wont come through. Light cant bend around corners so you manipulate the ducting to prevent the light from coming through the ducting. Poor mans light trap lol
Also, you can spray paint the insides of the elbows flat black to prevent any reflection etc. You would assemble this on the outside of the box of course to reserve room for your plants.

HandyGringo said:

Also, I need a very tiny extraction fan. What's the smallest most silent fan I can utilize? Every proper fan I find is like at least 230 m3/h. That's way too powerful for my tiny closet.

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Use a 12V computer case fan. 140mm fan can be bought for $9.99 from newegg.com They are anywhere from 46-86cfm and super quiet.
You can get a 12V 1000mA charger plug from a old phone etc to power it.