16000+ watts medigrow: og kush+ 13 x 1kw hps + 3 x t5 badboys + grotek = *HAPPY JOY*

MediMary said:

I wish I could give you a negative rep for such an outrageously stupid comment,

beansly, so where is your proof that he flipped on americans, or you just talking out your ass ?

You know what the sore spot for me(an american born and raised), OUR FUCKING BULLSHIT GOVERNMENT. stepping on Canadian Sovereignty

Emery is a great guy who has done more for the cause than 100 thousand regular-in-the-closet- stoners put together. More than you will ever do... If your going to bitch bitch bout the bullshit american gov.

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Are you mad at me, or the American govt here? Cause you sure are bitching about a lot about stuff I have nothing to do with.
My heart breaks for anyone who's in the unfortunate position of having to defend themselves against the ravenous, conviction-happy drug policies of the United States of America. The way they come after grower/dealer/users in this country makes me ashamed to say I'm from here sometimes, but I couldn't contain my anger if I live in another country and America was dictating or influencing drug policy in my country. I understand the hatred for the US.
Originally ME was facing a life sentence for conspiracy and embezzlement. I unerstand he was in a terrible predicament and he had to make a decision to save his future with his family. I can't imagine the moral dillema of having to betray who you are as a person, or face life in prison, but let's not act like he was a saint either.
He was responsible for having The Victoria Methadone Clinic closed because it was too close to his purdy house. NM that people are trying to get their lives back together. He tried to bribe compassion clubs into voting for his political party. He pissed off a lot of people.
He choose to sell seeds to american growers. He sure didn't do it for free. He happily took the money. He knew it was illegal. He knew the chances he was taking, and what's more, he wanted a public liestyle! The man wanted to run for office! Basically spitting in the establishments face. Well, establishment don't like that.
They came down hard, and he was all surprised. Now everyone is supposed to feel sorry for him? Give me a break.
No one feels sorry for an addict when they knowingly kill themselves with drugs. We just say, "well, that's the life they chose..."
Why is it different with someone who lives on the edge, and falls?

Btw
What is outrageously stupid about asking to avoid a topic for the sake of peace. This little pissing fight is exactly what I was trying to avoid.

your so ass backwards with your logic beans, yeah I am mad at you for talking shit about something and someone you obviously know zero about. You said emery flipped on people like pancakes, where is your proof??? you don't want to post it in here then fucking private message it to me.
Sorry kitty, thats gota be the dumbest shit I have read in I can't remember how long, had to say something.

Calm down kids, it's just the internet. Beans heard something or read something, and is repeating it, if you don't agree or know otherwise just be polite and have a nice discussion about why you disagree. I'm personally tired of the hostility on RIU. Believe me, you aren't changing anybodies mind by directly insulting them.

btw, members who pay membership fees can give negative rep. But that is made for grow information, not rumors, opinions, or even facts about famous cannabis enthusiasts. I'm not saying I agree with Beans or disagree with Beans, but Emery believes in freedom of speech.

BAD KITTY!! I didn't know you had a journal going here. Where the hell was my invite to the party? Can't wait to see the new pic's.

mellokitty said:

what sort of proof we talkin here? i'd like to see it, please. until then we're going with the "you don't accuse people of snitching unless you have definitive proof" rule. that this sort of talk is going on in a bc grower's journal would break jody's heart.

all due respect, beans, but i know the man personally (have since i was a teen), and i find that allegation hard to stomach, especially since he's still rotting in an american jail.

the man ain't no slouch.

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i gota throw in at this point as well....im with kitty on this, i know Marc, jodie and jef personaly, and michelle before she passed. i helped with the political campaigns and im a regular cannabis culture contributor..... i know these people, i know why they fight so hard. Marc started the overgrow campaign which has been having success for the last 20+ years, and look at how the laws in canada have slacked majorly? there are WAY more people growing their own now, and he has a big part in that.

i imagine your over-extended corrective system couldn't have gottem him off your hands *fast *enough to come rot in jail on OUR buck once they got what they wanted from him. if that's in fact what they wanted from him, and not to conveniently stifle his vocal politicism (which is what i and most bc cannabis folks believe). if what they wanted was a list of smalltime american growers, they'd've attacked the other local seedbanks the same way they did him. but they didn't, did they?

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another BC grower vouching that fact..... and the fact that even that canadian government was put off course by marc's politics.... he was well on the way to having marijuana decriminalized in canada. ALL of canada. it was because of marc it is LEGAL to walk around with 14 grams of weed or 5 grams of hash on your person in the VCD. it was because of the Pot Party that people such as Dana Larson to be elected for major political party's in canada.

Dana Larsen is the founder of the Vancouver Medical Cannabis Dispensary and the author of Hairy Pothead and the Marijuana Stone. He is also a former member of parliament candidate for Canada's New Democratic Party.

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supported by marc emery and teh rest of the pot party, once people like this were taken seriously the pot party stopped running for office, coincidence? probably not..... bribing compassion club owners? most of the compassion club owners are politicians, this is canada......

oh and one last FACT for you Beans.

He was responsible for having The Victoria Methadone Clinic closed because it was too close to his purdy house.

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over 1000 of us were responcible for shutting that clinic down. we protested for over a month while marc met with legal people and lawyers to get the shit closed down. methadone is worse than H. i know multiple methodone addicts and alot of H addicts (yep, thats Vancouver...) and the methadone addicts are WAY worse off. they goto a clinic to get a product thats over priced, and not covered by disability, which gets them higher than H, but they CANT quit cold turkey or it will kill them...... it costs more than H and it does more damage, there are better ways to help people than fucking methadone clinics, once you know a couple addict's it might change your view.


there are alot of people on this forum that know marc personally. he has ALOT of friends in canada, seeing as you could simply literally walk into his store and chill with him. [/rant]

Edit: listen up people. im with beansly on this little bit right here. we all should STFU (myself included).

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What is outrageously stupid about asking to avoid a topic for the sake of peace. This little pissing fight is exactly what I was trying to avoid.

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^^corbat beat me to ALL of it.^^

*resounding sigh*.... this is one of things i detest about being an active cannabist from bc: the tendency to have to read, in the context of cannabis activism, unfounded rumours about people you know personally, and whom the rumour-mongers have never met.
this has been a tough couple years for that; our people have been rather.... prominent. *another sigh*

just for the record, i'm generally not a "marc is so great" bannerwaver. not that i don't think he's great, i just have many friends that wave that banner professionally, and they know that my support is there for the asking, but i'm not often noisy about it. [tongue-in-cheek] seeing as how it's such a touchy subject and all [/tongue]

beans: i'm not mad at you, i just wish people would fact-check before throwing these sorts of heavy allegations around, just because this is the interwebs. this is how rumours propagate. speculating among friends is one thing, but to publicly state something as heavy as that as fact without definitive proof can get people injured or killed in real life. do me a favour will you? re-read your last post and tell me how you'd feel if it was me, as someone who's never even met them, saying something similar about a pillar of the cannabis community in your area -- someone you first met over 15 years ago. to put it into some perspective: you're talking about how someone whose wife was at one of my best friends' baby shower is a snitch. you'll have to forgive me if i find this a little disconcerting.

Beansly said:

Originally ME was facing a life sentence for conspiracy and embezzlement. .

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a non-american not committing american crimes on american soil shouldn't be eligible to be prosecuted, much less have a life sentence hung in front of him. our people cross the border to buy guns and fireworks all the time (both of which items are singularly more dangerous than a bunch of seeds); many of the "old money" families in bc got that way through rum-running during the prohibition years. what's the difference? who's more at fault --> the demand or the supply?
he only went without putting up a fight to save michelle rainey (cancer patient - rip) and greg williams (practically a senior citizen) from the same fate. otherwise he'd've fought extradition tooth and nail.

not to mention..... who was he embezzling from? and even if he was, wtf business is THAT of the american criminal justice system? you'd think that would fall under the jurisdiction of the canadian revenue service.

notwithstanding he has a few former addicts in his employ, he's helped countless people with his free iboga clinic. let's try not to forget he's an anti-prohibitionist and not just a cannabis activist. again, fact-checking. dana larsen is central to the ongoing survival of "insite", the safe injection site in vancouver, and larsen used to edit Cannabis Culture -- ie got his start under marc. the cannabis community here and the harm reduction community work very closely here, in fact are peopled by a lot of the same people, marc being one of them.

as far as the compassion clubs, i don't really know what you're getting at, considering several of his party's representatives from the various ridings were also people involved with the major compassion club here (several of whom i also know personally). chances are, people were already voting for their fellow members and/or staff of their medicating place anyways, i.e. no bribe necessary. or at least that's the vibe i got at the time. if somebody you knew ran on a pro-pot platform for the mayor or rep of your town, would you need a bribe to vote for him/her?

as the OP of this thread, i'm invoking the "if it wouldn't fly in The Joint Circle...." rule. the specific language of the rule is: let's try to phrase our statements in a non-inflammatory way that wouldn't result in fisticuffs if we were having a sesh. simple mathematics: "bastard flipped like pancakes" = fisticuffs. "outrageously stupid" = fisticuffs. fisticuffs + fisticuffs = even more fisticuffs.

c'mon: it's not like i'm asking you thank the guy that told you your setup was a "waste" for his insight.

So kitty hows the grow doing?

my camera seems to be having an attitude problem right now (either that or there's a SEVERE learning curve when it comes to adding several HID's worth of lights to the equation).... keeps giving me an "oh no it's so fucking bright in here noooooo" message, but when i turned the lights down, the pics are all dark.

*spooooky*

anyhoo, pics:











a healed cut:

Nice pics!
It almost looks like that hps is inside of that plant in the first pic lol

Very nice jungle indeed!

If it's unclear whether ME flipped on Americans, you can't deny that he flipped on Michelle Rainy. Remember the death bed letter? Pretty ugly stuff came out there. And from one of the people that know him best. Remember how he turned on all the people who were once his best friends? Funny what we choose to forget.
I stand by my opinion that ME is at the least, a capitalist, and at worst, an evil asshole.

Corbat420 said:

oh and one last FACT for you Beans.
over 1000 of us were responcible for shutting that clinic down. we protested for over a month while marc met with legal people and lawyers to get the shit closed down. methadone is worse than H. i know multiple methodone addicts and alot of H addicts (yep, thats Vancouver...) and the methadone addicts are WAY worse off. they goto a clinic to get a product thats over priced, and not covered by disability, which gets them higher than H, but they CANT quit cold turkey or it will kill them...... it costs more than H and it does more damage, there are better ways to help people than fucking methadone clinics, once you know a couple addict's it might change your view.

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I've been a pill addict and I was in the methadone program for 2 years, before I detoxed out. I've been clean for years now and all I do now is smoke weed. What your experience? You live next to a methadone clinic? ()
Your a fool, and a typical self-righteous stoner...
"oh- my drug addiction is better than your drug addiction..."
The methadone program is fucked, I know. But it helps more people than it hurts. At least they're there trying to get clean, or at least trying to. What bullshit do you tell yourself everyday to justify your weed habit?

OMG bensly give it up!
You will probably be the first person Iv ever hit the ignore button on.
CHILL!

The Evil Haunted Pot Farm of Dr. M Kitties! Wooo-oo-oo-ooo-oooo-owaugh!! (that was my best ghost impression, with a little german accent on the end, I guess)

At least they're there trying to get clean, or at least trying to

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Lmfao. i dont know a single methadone ADDICT who is actualy trying to get clean, wouldn't the whole point be to NOT GET ADDICTED? trading one addiction for another doesn't help anyone. and im an addict? thats news to me, because i know what its like to be addicted to Tridurals (tramadol) slow release opiats, and pot isn't SHIT. i use this MEDICINE because i have a 6'th lumbar vertebra, which was broken. im lucky i can walk.

whodatnation said:

OMG bensly give it up!
You will probably be the first person Iv ever hit the ignore button on.
CHILL!

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^ this.

Kitty,
I'm proud to say I took the time to read your entire thread. The grow looks fantastic. Also, nice of you to host the Marc Emery and Nutrient Debates. LOL! I'll refrain from commenting on either in an effort to stay focused on the growing.

I'll be watching closely your BAVERB production. A fellow grower friend using the BAVERB technique lined his walls with vertical T-5's. His theory is it provides some light to the dark side of the outside plants and it gives them some blue spectrum. All this with low heat load. I'll let you know his production increase when he finishes this run.

On the electricity bill front, here in So Cal we just went to "summer rates". My bill went from $1,500/month to $1,900/month. That's with 10 - 1000 watt lights in bloom and 4 - 1000 watt lights in veg. Hope this satisfies those who want to read dollar amounts. LOL.

We, too, are growing some OG now as well as the Bubba. Ours is a Tahoe OG x Chemdog. Might be the best flavor I've ever smoked. I have to say, though, that the Bubba out produces the OG bigtime and commands almost the same price down here. I think you guys would be happy with the Bubba if you can get a good cut. We've been seeing alot of "Bubba" not even close to the quality of ours. Although, with your contacts, I'm sure you can get your hands on a winner. Tell me about the OG you're growing.

My wife hasn't been playing with the edibles too much lately. Now that we've re-vamped the grow, she will probably get back into it. I'm printing out your extract info for her. Did you have a link for the citrus extract? We're working with a new dispensary in our area and I'd like to be able to provide them with a full range of edibles, as well as buds. What the hell else are we to do with the smaller buds and sugar trim? After all, Helper D can only smoke so much kief. He's so spoiled.

Anyways, I can't wait to see some flowering pics of your grow. Keep up the great work.

CG

meow...what a beautiful garden you have kitty! your an amazing gardener and i love your set up! It must be so wonderful to be able to walk around in your room to feed and tend to your girls. I wish i had that type of room. Maybe one day if im lucky. What is your favorite strain? If you get menstrual cramps what strain do you find works the best to cure the pain? peace kitty your girls look puurrrrrrrfect!

Corbat420 said:

Lmfao. i dont know a single methadone ADDICT who is actualy trying to get clean, wouldn't the whole point be to NOT GET ADDICTED? trading one addiction for another doesn't help anyone. and im an addict? thats news to me, because i know what its like to be addicted to Tridurals (tramadol) slow release opiats, and pot isn't SHIT. i use this MEDICINE because i have a 6'th lumbar vertebra, which was broken. im lucky i can walk.
^ this.

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"I dont know anyone who trying to get clean so I'm right..."
And I have fucked up logic...?

No one chooses to be an addict dude, get over yourself.

whodatnation said:

OMG bensly give it up!
You will probably be the first person Iv ever hit the ignore button on.
CHILL!

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Methadone saved my life.
That's all I'm saying.

btw I'm sorry too kitty kat, consider me gone.

Stupid RIU won't let me give you any more rep or vote 5* for it more than once. Give those big gurls a hug from me

damn what a clean grow room kitty all proper... you liking the t5's, have you seen profesours stuff(dam spelling.lol)

"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to mellokitty again"

collective gardener said:

Kitty,
I'm proud to say I took the time to read your entire thread. The grow looks fantastic. Also, nice of you to host the Marc Emery and Nutrient Debates. LOL! I'll refrain from commenting on either in an effort to stay focused on the growing.

I'll be watching closely your BAVERB production. A fellow grower friend using the BAVERB technique lined his walls with vertical T-5's. His theory is it provides some light to the dark side of the outside plants and it gives them some blue spectrum. All this with low heat load. I'll let you know his production increase when he finishes this run.

On the electricity bill front, here in So Cal we just went to "summer rates". My bill went from $1,500/month to $1,900/month. That's with 10 - 1000 watt lights in bloom and 4 - 1000 watt lights in veg. Hope this satisfies those who want to read dollar amounts. LOL.

We, too, are growing some OG now as well as the Bubba. Ours is a Tahoe OG x Chemdog. Might be the best flavor I've ever smoked. I have to say, though, that the Bubba out produces the OG bigtime and commands almost the same price down here. I think you guys would be happy with the Bubba if you can get a good cut. We've been seeing alot of "Bubba" not even close to the quality of ours. Although, with your contacts, I'm sure you can get your hands on a winner. Tell me about the OG you're growing.

My wife hasn't been playing with the edibles too much lately. Now that we've re-vamped the grow, she will probably get back into it. I'm printing out your extract info for her. Did you have a link for the citrus extract? We're working with a new dispensary in our area and I'd like to be able to provide them with a full range of edibles, as well as buds. What the hell else are we to do with the smaller buds and sugar trim? After all, Helper D can only smoke so much kief. He's so spoiled.

Anyways, I can't wait to see some flowering pics of your grow. Keep up the great work.

CG

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Sounds like a dank cross, but a small yielder, I love the Tahoe OG, but both TOG and Chem Dawg have given small yields in grows I've had my hands in. But always well worth the work for the smoke. I have a sneaky suspicion that Mello might have a few threads for you on the recipes, but I wouldn't want to spoil it for her! I got a master bubba at the moment but no bubba. Last time I bought "Bubba Kush" clones they weren't very impressive, I didn't do more than 2 rounds with it. I wish I could find some real pre98, but it always turns out to be BS. But I sure would like to see a picture of your Bubba!

That electricity bill cuts me deep just to hear it. I'm at 500-600 a month and I'm feeling the heat. I'm starting to scrog and do vertical in different isolated legal sized rooms to find out what gives me the most bang for my bill. But I know your pain, I've been there, fortunately I didn't have to pay the mega-bills on my own.

The whole legal sized grow room thing is very comforting, but I do miss the days of 18,000 watts in flower. Now I'm always between 2,400 and 3,000 watts.... god fucking dammit! lol.

Chronic Monster said:

damn what a clean grow room kitty all proper... you liking the t5's, have you seen profesours stuff(dam spelling.lol)

"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to mellokitty again"

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My first outdoor crop ever was back in the days when I roamed San Diego. It was some Mexican cartel schwag my friend started to grow, I cloned, and popped it up on my hill, and we named it Chronic Monster. He fucked his all up, but mine actually turned out to be pretty dank for something that came out of grey Mexican brick weed. The growing is great in SD, but the night life and girls are even better.

hows you kitty hope all is well .....