120W LED + Rainforest 66 + Papaya
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Here are some updated shots of my 3 papaya clones. I cut them on 4/28 (already 8 days into flowering) and planted them in soil on 5/7. They have been under an 18W blue but catch a lot of mylar reflection from a 55w tri-band.
Pics 1-3: Papaya clones today.
Pic 4: Right after cutting them and putting them in the aero cloner on 4/28.
Pic 5: Planting one of them in soil in 5/7.
Pics 1-3: Papaya clones today.
Pic 4: Right after cutting them and putting them in the aero cloner on 4/28.
Pic 5: Planting one of them in soil in 5/7.
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doktorgreenthumb420
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thats awesome they are actively growin already ..good job on that clone run ....those gonna be soil ?
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Yeah I'm using about a 70/30 mix of ocean forest to perlite. These are going to be my future mothers.
doktorgreenthumb420
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o yea ocean forest rocks i really like that kinda soil ....i dont have a whole lot of soil experience but i know that the best i have seen is foxfarms and this soil called black gold
Ap0c0leS
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Dang,!! that link you gave me to the light was awesome. I almost got the light for 350 bucks but i had to go do something at work and someone out bid me by 25 bucks. ... Oh well, hopefully they put another one up for auction. Im going to wait to see the results of your project before i decide how to proceede. How long do you have before harvest?
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I'm guessing 35-40 more days for about 60-65 total. My goal is to pull 2-3 zips minimum for good summer smoke supply.
Ap0c0leS
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HA! Thats so much dude... Because you linked me to that light and i was close to winning the auction ( second place) i decided to call the company. I asked them to give me the light at the price that the auction ended on. I ended up getting the light for 375 plus shipping and they are throwing in the light pullies. You saved me a ton of cash dude, im very grateful. To top it off my seeds arrived today!!!! woohoo!!! i got 2x dutch passion blueberry, 2x Barneys farm G13 HAZE , 2x Barneys farm the church, 1x Lowryder#2 x AK47 , and two freebies.. Blue venom and Pure gold.. Im really excited for the G13 haze.. Do you have any experience on any of these strains?
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Thats awesome about the light, congrats. Its funny you mention G13 haze because my buddy gave me a single seed of it that I just planted last week. I also got to sample some of the finished product and wow it was heavy duty smoke, one of the best highs of my life. Looks like you made nice choices all around, I'm interested in all of those strains.
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Cuttings2Colas
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Nice looking setup there, I'm subscribed. I also liked the link to the other grower that didn't even use nutrients... crazy!
On most LED grows I've seen on YouTube and such, the growers have the plants really far away from the plant, and you can see that it's causing the plants to stretch. I think this is where the stretching stereotype comes from.
You've found that you like them 12" away, huh? What benefits have you seen from that? I've always been under the impression that the light source should be as close as possible to the plants without causing damage, especially when heat is no longer an issue. Is it a cross-lighting thing? With a narrow light angle, I can see how that could play a role. I still don't imagine myself putting them any further than 6". Double the light distance, 1/4 the light intensity (see pic 1, light intensity vs. distance).
You mentioned that your LED setup has some "full spectrum" LEDs. I'd be wary of that claim. LEDs, by nature, are very narrow in the color spectrums they emit. Bright White LEDs are almost always a combination of two colors that ends up looking white to us, when it's really a mixture of something like blue & yellow. (see pic 2, color spectrum of a common high-powered 1W White LED)
There are a couple of nice things about the white LEDs, though. They make it just a little easier to see in there, and they do level out a little bit of the center colors by having that yellow/green accent. The panel at least has some light in all the colors, so I guess you could technically call it "full spectrum."
It definitely looks tough to compensate plants that germinated at different times, came from different strains, etc, etc. I bet you're looking forward to a grow with your clones where you can start one type of plant from one mother at the same time, multiple clones, all on-track with each other, not strangling each other out. I look forward to seeing your LEDs on that, too.
Whoever was asking about Lumens, they don't really matter, especially on LED setups. Lumens are a measure of how bright the light looks to us, which is entirely irrelevant to plants. We see green the strongest, they see very little green. That's actually why the plants appear green... the plant reflects the light it doesn't use, so that's what we see.
I've been working on creating a custom LED setup, and a big focus has been on having LED colors across the spectrum. It involves 1654 LEDs. I'm excited. Here's the link, if you're interested: https://www.rollitup.org/indoor-growing/186051-my-lighting-project-will-custom.html
I'm glad you decided to pluck the male nodes... I was really looking forward to seeing this grow through to the end.
Dr Greenthumb was talking about not needing an airstone because his clones weren't touching the res water. The way I visualize it, pumping air into the water means you're also pumping new air through the airspace in the res... new oxygen for the roots? Perhaps the difference is negligible, but air pumps are cheap, and it couldn't hurt. Any thoughts?
You started off with some great updates on pH, ppm, etc, etc... that's a great way to post your updates, can we get that again? Several of the leaves looked like they were showing slight nutrient burn a couple pages back when you were at about 900ppm. Curled tips, light browning on the edge of the leaves. Have you bumped it up to 1200 yet like you mentioned? As before, I could be wrong, I'd just watch it very closely when you do decide to bump it up. (see pics 3 & 4, examples of nutrient burn - 3 is light/ok, 4 is medium/damaging) I've heard some say a tiny bit of nut burn is a good indicator that you're using just enough nutrients that the plants are taking in their full potential.
You know what might be a cool experiment? You could put the 18W blue shining horizontally on one side of the plant & the 55W on the other side... you can compare how each light affects the yield on that side of the plant. It's an idea, anyway. I'm the experimenting type, and it looks like you are as well, with all those different types of grow systems & lights. Also, the extra light may boost water & nutrient intake potential, making it easier to bump the nutes up to 1200.
Overall, an excellent example of a successful LED grow from start to finish. I look forward to seeing the finish.
On most LED grows I've seen on YouTube and such, the growers have the plants really far away from the plant, and you can see that it's causing the plants to stretch. I think this is where the stretching stereotype comes from.
You've found that you like them 12" away, huh? What benefits have you seen from that? I've always been under the impression that the light source should be as close as possible to the plants without causing damage, especially when heat is no longer an issue. Is it a cross-lighting thing? With a narrow light angle, I can see how that could play a role. I still don't imagine myself putting them any further than 6". Double the light distance, 1/4 the light intensity (see pic 1, light intensity vs. distance).
You mentioned that your LED setup has some "full spectrum" LEDs. I'd be wary of that claim. LEDs, by nature, are very narrow in the color spectrums they emit. Bright White LEDs are almost always a combination of two colors that ends up looking white to us, when it's really a mixture of something like blue & yellow. (see pic 2, color spectrum of a common high-powered 1W White LED)
There are a couple of nice things about the white LEDs, though. They make it just a little easier to see in there, and they do level out a little bit of the center colors by having that yellow/green accent. The panel at least has some light in all the colors, so I guess you could technically call it "full spectrum."
It definitely looks tough to compensate plants that germinated at different times, came from different strains, etc, etc. I bet you're looking forward to a grow with your clones where you can start one type of plant from one mother at the same time, multiple clones, all on-track with each other, not strangling each other out. I look forward to seeing your LEDs on that, too.
Whoever was asking about Lumens, they don't really matter, especially on LED setups. Lumens are a measure of how bright the light looks to us, which is entirely irrelevant to plants. We see green the strongest, they see very little green. That's actually why the plants appear green... the plant reflects the light it doesn't use, so that's what we see.
I've been working on creating a custom LED setup, and a big focus has been on having LED colors across the spectrum. It involves 1654 LEDs. I'm excited. Here's the link, if you're interested: https://www.rollitup.org/indoor-growing/186051-my-lighting-project-will-custom.html
I'm glad you decided to pluck the male nodes... I was really looking forward to seeing this grow through to the end.
Dr Greenthumb was talking about not needing an airstone because his clones weren't touching the res water. The way I visualize it, pumping air into the water means you're also pumping new air through the airspace in the res... new oxygen for the roots? Perhaps the difference is negligible, but air pumps are cheap, and it couldn't hurt. Any thoughts?
You started off with some great updates on pH, ppm, etc, etc... that's a great way to post your updates, can we get that again? Several of the leaves looked like they were showing slight nutrient burn a couple pages back when you were at about 900ppm. Curled tips, light browning on the edge of the leaves. Have you bumped it up to 1200 yet like you mentioned? As before, I could be wrong, I'd just watch it very closely when you do decide to bump it up. (see pics 3 & 4, examples of nutrient burn - 3 is light/ok, 4 is medium/damaging) I've heard some say a tiny bit of nut burn is a good indicator that you're using just enough nutrients that the plants are taking in their full potential.
You know what might be a cool experiment? You could put the 18W blue shining horizontally on one side of the plant & the 55W on the other side... you can compare how each light affects the yield on that side of the plant. It's an idea, anyway. I'm the experimenting type, and it looks like you are as well, with all those different types of grow systems & lights. Also, the extra light may boost water & nutrient intake potential, making it easier to bump the nutes up to 1200.
Overall, an excellent example of a successful LED grow from start to finish. I look forward to seeing the finish.
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ElephantRider
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It's a fuckin' JUNGLE in there!!! SU-PER-CROP! SU-PER-CROP!
Great work, bro. I cannot wait to see the finished product.
Also.. GREAT avatar! It never fails to make me happy.
Great work, bro. I cannot wait to see the finished product.
Also.. GREAT avatar! It never fails to make me happy.
Cuttings2Colas
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That's what I forgot to mention... smokin' hot. I definitely know when I'm reading your posts.Also.. GREAT avatar! It never fails to make me happy.
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Thanks for dropping by my journal! I'm pretty baked right now but I'll try my best to reply. 
I settled on 12" based solely on growth rates I observed during veg. The small mylar interior of the tent might be playing a big role in my findings imo. At 6" I was blasting most of the canopy with very intense light, but the tradeoff was that I had less light being reflected all around the tent. I'm very interested to see how your experiments with this go, I'm always looking to optimize things.
I have no reason to doubt HTG's claim that the third band is full spectrum. I've seen the ebay UFO's passing various flavors of white off as full spectrum, but I don't think thats the case here. Cree has sold 1w full spectrum (465-635nm) xlamps since 2005, its just that they are more expensive and thus less companies are willing to spring for them when they can use white (cheapest) instead.
I'm really, really, really looking forward to growing from clone next time around.
I will be following. I don't forsee myself doing any DIY LED stuff because I just don't have enough time anymore, but if it turns out well for you I might consider it.
I have a feeling they were stress related and not genetic since this was my first hydro grow and no new ones have showed up.
I think the 12" airstone has made a huge difference for me. I plan on adding at least one more to the rainforest next grow.
I'll try to start posting the additional info in updates again. I did bump ppm to 1150 last flush and I agree the plant shows very minimal nute burn but it is present. It did not get any worse however with the recent bump.
project fuoro
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206.
Glad someone took the leap and bought the Tri-Band I have been looking at for a few months now. It seems far superior to the 55W panel from a different website I have used on one of those herb kits. The results were good, but not as good as I can see yours doing.
Keeping a keen eye on this thread....only clicks away from getting one of those tri-bands.
Good luck! Looks great! Keep us all posted, followers shall come!
Glad someone took the leap and bought the Tri-Band I have been looking at for a few months now. It seems far superior to the 55W panel from a different website I have used on one of those herb kits. The results were good, but not as good as I can see yours doing.
Keeping a keen eye on this thread....only clicks away from getting one of those tri-bands.
Good luck! Looks great! Keep us all posted, followers shall come!
igrowwithleds
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I am well versed with leds and growing with them.
You do not need the leds close to the plants.....
I keep mine form 18 inches to 3 feet.
Ill be posting pics of my current grow with 300 watt s of led and uvb.
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You do not need the leds close to the plants.....
I keep mine form 18 inches to 3 feet.
Ill be posting pics of my current grow with 300 watt s of led and uvb.
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dirt clean
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Dudes I like what I am hearing on the led distance. Makes me happy about my pene worries. I have the tri ufo on my 4 clones in 1 gallons. It is hard for someone just getting their perpetual set up to test so I got the lights a few inchs above. I tried a foot away and not so great. Maybe they were haveing that kind of day! Man do I want that 600 watt led. I got my tri ufo for 200 on auction. The trick is be the last bidder in the middle of day while every one is away at work. I take mondays off, I might have a 2nd job lol.
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Thanks for all the comments guys.
Tonight I noticed several light leaks in the tent around the vent hole stitching. Some were pinhole sized but many were significant, which makes me wonder how I didn't notice them before. I don't know what impact the leaks have had if any, but just knowing they've been there is a real downer. There is not much else to report...ppm is at 1146 and PH 5.88. Here are some pics from days 26-28 of flowering.
Tonight I noticed several light leaks in the tent around the vent hole stitching. Some were pinhole sized but many were significant, which makes me wonder how I didn't notice them before. I don't know what impact the leaks have had if any, but just knowing they've been there is a real downer. There is not much else to report...ppm is at 1146 and PH 5.88. Here are some pics from days 26-28 of flowering.
