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what obama found out was that the people were not ready to be forced into giving up their freedoms, that they weren't yet jaded enough to see an intrusive, overbearing central government as the only alternative to a world of general indifference. that paul's agenda is not one of force is what...

i don't know how i can make it any plainer, you're beginning to sound like duke over in the politics forum. you can't simply divorce the method from what that method is used for and those that use it. well, maybe you can, but no reasonable person could. it's like saying that sunlight is pure...

that would be like trying to light a candle without a wick.:bigjoint:

it's all or nothing with you, isn't it. you have that same myopic view of reality that we have come to expect from zealots through the ages. what part of compromise don't you understand? why is it so difficult for you to wrap that limited intellect around the concept that states' rights...

is it? the punishment for attempting to thwart the laws of nature are often cataclysmic and seeing the hand of god behind such punishment is no different than believing that some deity consigns us to the fires of hell for transgressing its other rules. it is merely redefining the agency of the...

pad, you're just getting silly now. your own "blind devotion" to the infallibility of the scientific method seems to have reached its fever pitch. you want "proof" of science's fallibility? just what proof do you desire? scientific proof? can't you see the bizarre nature of your request...

that's a little like asking why we can't have a flower without all that annoying green foliage getting in the way. it all comes from the same place. while there are chemical and sociological causes for these things, that they manifest themselves in the way they do is as irrational as the god...

in case you haven't noticed, not all the laws of the land are contained in the constitution. it is a document that grants certain powers to federal authority and places limits on how authority may intrude into the lives of citizens. nowhere in the constitution are speed limits set, are murder...

mod powers? are they anything like al gore's super powers?

boycott orange food i guess that makes me a food racist

it isn't that he's failing to make his point, but that you haven't read the owner's manual on your liberty. what we do freely, we do without regulation, registration or interference. it is recognized as something we choose to do and needs no further authorization. this isn't the case with...

more crap about the evils of private security? you still don't get it and i doubt you ever will. it takes the collusion of government or, at the very least, its incompetence to allow a private security force to infringe on the rights of a u.s. citizen. all else may be remedied through the...

i hate to say it jefff, but you should have kept on reading. our little bedbug made the perfectly valid point that some of these corporations did, in fact, eventually rival the power of their masters. what he neglects to mention is that this in no way changed their origins or their mission...

a century? i really do think you're deluding yourself. centuries from now there will be people clinging to their mythologies. you seem so convinced that logic can sway the mind of man, ignoring the irrational aspects of the species. things like our notions of romantic love, filial devotion...

actually i stink like a sweaty mule at the moment. it's been 110 in the shade around here lately and i think my shower head is spitting out molten copper.

now you're beginning to sound like a real liberal.

well boy, ya sorta ask for it.:bigjoint:

:bigjoint:victory may be sweet, but making your opponent cry has its own rewards.

it's not the size of the cob, but the sweetness of the kernels.

finally we agree on something. our difference is that i see that huge institution as the intrusive government you so adore.