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again i had already agreed if they use Cree the spd is already available what am i missing? Did you really have to insert yourself in the "beef" just to say what i already agreed?

but we have Cree to go by c'mon you guys i already agreed that'd it be easier I'm just saying that it's not gonna magically emit more then what the diodes are rated for goodness people

ok i agree you could just take the readings it would be faster and more reliable regardless we know what they supposedly use and how many in what size case and the chips they use can only pump out so much optic and other accessories loose light so no matter what it's still not going to perform...

thank you I've been on my phone all morning and didn't want to go digging for what they are

what lights? Looks like a fair amount of white in there. ..

that's the whole point of using properly binned chips is you can calculate. If the meter readings don't match with what they are promising that's how you know they lie about what they are running.not saying this is the case but that's the point of using top bin Cree so your read outs match the...

why don't you do it?It's a standard 400w face off and you still need to complain because you already know the results

this statement here really shows you've put no time or effort into understanding what the marvelous people have done here. You need to wake up we are in 2015 we don't fuck around with "snake oil" here

That's awesome i can't believe people are still denying led any satisfaction of being a kick ass light source

well no shit 300w of similar efficient light isnt going to compete with 600w. Second i think cobs have a better spectrum for our needs. Last you've been here longer then me and you've refused to learn anything you just keep running your lopsided comparison runs I've been pulling down the same...

how are you going to keep it even that seems like a one sided fist fight with gravita having the 3 on 1 edge

will you betrying to compare watt for watt?

sure at lower currents once you start driving the Vero a little harder they really pay off either way they still perform better then any HID at this moment personally I've been digging the more intense light with Vero supplemented by the softer driven Cree

so what do you have against the Vero line?

you can always have a spider light you seemed to like them. Based off the pictures and your attitude I'm sure you don't give a shit how the light performs just as long as you feel good about yourself lol

why don't you run it? Hell throw your de in the mix too! Honestly nobody wants to go backwards on paper cobs are the best thing i know your holding on to this magic spectrum dream but i think most people agree the spectrum is white 3000k~4000k. Nobody cares about what we can compare between each...

pretty sure you already got one of these

38v×1.2amps=roughly 45w....i think you'll need a little more then that to come out equal

Dude you gotta use the one that flashes the special spectrum when your plants need it most

Second look i guess they probably don't get much higher the 40c